Merged: New York Knicks Pursuing Jamal Crawford. Maybe S&T?

[thecampster]

Ha!Clear? What indication have you gotten from the team and Josh himself that the "model" requires him remaining a Hawk past 2013? No, you've got it *ss backwards. It's Josh who will more than likely be gone before the end of next season.

By the end of next season, Joe will be 32. Josh will be 27. A choice will have to be made by then or Josh walks for nothing because he will require a max - near max salary. Joe will be on the books for 21.5 mil, Horford for 12. Josh at 15-16 million at 27 is a bargain compared to an aging Joe at 32. Add Marvin and Teague's 11 million and the team would sign Josh at 16 million and already be over the cap 5 players in. Trade Joe for 3 - 6 million dollar players and you can build the team....Unless Joe is traded or the Hawks let Josh walk, we are lottery bound in 2 years.Look...don't shoot the messenger, just look at the salaries in 2013/14 and do the math. http://hoopshype.com...ies/atlanta.htmFYI, this is why I am a strong advocate of trading Joe and any collection of Hinrich, Marvin, Teague plus 2 future 1sts to bring Howard here or Paul. Unless we dump Joe's contract now....we will be in the lottery in 2 years..... Edited December 13, 2011 by thecampster

[MaceCase]

"The messenger". Lol, how delusional. Camp, face it, Josh is gone. It's why, you know, the team has been trying to trade him for ohhhhhhhh the past season now and he is looked at as the most expendable of the core. The team has already been prepared to move on from him and he has reciprocated the sentiment himself.

Like I said, your reasoning is *ss backwards. You see the contracts and think "oh well they definitely have every intention of keeping Josh" but they don't and it's an even stupider idea that you think they will drop Joe because he's 32 to max out a tweener that's far more reliant on his athleticism up to the age of 32 . Sound logic there!

Seriously, the Hawks will actually have tremendous cap space in 2013 and onward with their two All Stars locked up and your thinking is they will be a lotto team cuz they won't max Josh.........fanboys, yeesh.

[thecampster]

"The messenger". Lol, how delusional. Camp, face it, Josh is gone. It's why, you know, the team has been trying to trade him for ohhhhhhhh the past season now and he is looked at as the most expendable of the core. The team has already been prepared to move on from him and he has reciprocated the sentiment himself.

Like I said, your reasoning is *ss backwards. You see the contracts and think "oh well they definitely have every intention of keeping Josh" but they don't and it's an even stupider idea that you think they will drop Joe because he's 32 to max out a tweener that's far more reliant on his athleticism up to the age of 32 . Sound logic there!

Seriously, the Hawks will actually have tremendous cap space in 2013 and onward with their two All Stars locked up and your thinking is they will be a lotto team cuz they won't max Josh.........fanboys, yeesh.

Financially, Joe will just age with that ludicrous contract and if we can't trade back contracts, no one will sign here. His salary is going to cripple us. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that 21.5 million a season is too much for a sub 20 ppg shooting guard with diminishing skills.

[MaceCase]

Right right, out goes the analytical numbers guy and here comes the salty fanboy....Yea, by your provided link alone if you are to base the numbers on this year's cap the Hawks will have 17, 23 and 24 million in capspace past 2013. That deal surely is crippling.

[thecampster]

Just to be clear....JJ will be gone before the end of next season. The current model doesn't support keeping JJ and keeping Josh Smith after next season. By the end of next season, Josh will be the more valuable player and JJ will be on the decline.

Ha!

Clear? What indication have you gotten from the team and Josh himself that the "model" requires him remaining a Hawk past 2013? No, you've got it *ss backwards. It's Josh who will more than likely be gone before the end of next season.

"The messenger". Lol, how delusional. Camp, face it, Josh is gone. It's why, you know, the team has been trying to trade him for ohhhhhhhh the past season now and he is looked at as the most expendable of the core. The team has already been prepared to move on from him and he has reciprocated the sentiment himself.

Like I said, your reasoning is *ss backwards. You see the contracts and think "oh well they definitely have every intention of keeping Josh" but they don't and it's an even stupider idea that you think they will drop Joe because he's 32 to max out a tweener that's far more reliant on his athleticism up to the age of 32 . Sound logic there!

Seriously, the Hawks will actually have tremendous cap space in 2013 and onward with their two All Stars locked up and your thinking is they will be a lotto team cuz they won't max Josh.........fanboys, yeesh.

This time spiking the football a whole freaking lot!!!

[Nicholasp27]

Campster, that is prematureJosh will be gone soon as well so you will both be right and both be wrong

[MaceCase]

You spiked the ball on a touchdown only to turn around and realize that there's a flag at the line of scrimmage for holding. Your contention then and obviously now is that Joe would be traded just to max out Josh...... Until that is resolved your celebration is just a tad premature but I will still contend that getting rid of Joe just to make Josh the new centerpiece is still a very dumb idea.

[thecampster]

You spiked the ball on a touchdown only to turn around and realize that there's a flag at the line of scrimmage for holding. Your contention then and obviously now is that Joe would be traded just to max out Josh...... Until that is resolved your celebration is just a tad premature but I will still contend that getting rid of Joe just to make Josh the new centerpiece is still a very dumb idea.

Ah common Mace...you know I love you. All in good fun.FYI, Josh is not "the new centerpiece". There is a little more work to do.

[Brotha2ThaNite]

This time spiking the football a whole freaking lot!!!

Two thumbs up! Josh haters never die. Why can't we a get along? lol