NBA coach: 'Good' Josh can kill you, 'Bad' Josh becomes our sixth man

[tbhawksfan]

It's hard to low BBIQ players to play consistent Basketball. It's like asking dumb kids to make an A in Calculus.

Love the funny effect of funny poitical correctness. It's OK to say dumbs kids but not dumb players. Guess where you are determines who you have to respect. "You" is not directed at any indivivual, but used in the general.

Like a box a chocolates...

Wish the Hawks played smarter. Moving one key player could improve the teams BBIQ...er... BB dumbness.....er

Funny thing about empowering the low IQ is that they aren't quick enough to realise they arn't being idolized for their IQ, at least not by anyone who has one.

[Joker]

Love the funny effect of funny poitical correctness. It's OK to say dumbs kids but not dumb players. Guess where you are determines who you have to respect. "You" is not directed at any indivivual, but used in the general.

Like a box a chocolates...

Wish the Hawks played smarter. Moving one key player could improve the teams BBIQ...er... BB dumbness.....er

Funny thing about empowering the low IQ is that they aren't quick enough to realise they arn't being idolized for their IQ, at least not by anyone who has one.

Moving Jamal and Bibby improved our defense by a mile. So yes, moving dumb players for smart ones improves our BBIQ. It won't improve our talent level which is the big reason why Smith is still here.

We need to add more talent. While we will never be a smart team with Smith, we can at least play great defense and be great on offense. We need a PG who can play in an unstructured offense like a young Gilbert Arenas or Jeremy Lin for the offense part. We need someone like that given our personnel. We have a lot of talent but trading Smith to trade Smith will hurt us, not help us.

Edited February 25, 2012 by nbasuperstar40

[thecampster]

Simple guys. 90% of the time when Joe iso's, except for the corner outlet (typically Marvin or the point), the left side of the floor is cleared for him to work. The center has the near right block but needs to operate outside the paint in the moment. For spacing, the remainder of Marvin or the point is position in the far right corner. Josh is posted high post to the 3 point line on purpose to draw his defender away from Joe.

Now what Josh should do is wait for Joe to cross and then Josh should slash to the basket. However, Joe dribbles with his head down most of the time trying to "get his shot first" and take the defender off the dribble. When Joe puts his head down and the double comes, he isn't in a position to pass out because his head is down. So Joe gets trapped and the pass doesn't come. So 5-ish seconds left, Joe has 2 places to go with the ball. The near corner or rotate to Josh.

In this set, Josh is on the side of the floor with the Center, the right corner defender and he is open because his man left to double Joe. Time permitting, Josh should be taking the ball straight to the hole at the opposing center and if he draws him, drop it off to the center or to the corner. However, Joe gives it up too late for this to develop and so Josh just shoots. Watch it 1000 times, this description of "the event" will be accurate, 90% of the time.

[Joker]

A NFL running back can cover 120ft (40 yards) in 4.4 seconds on average but Josh cannot dribble the ball 22ft. Makes sense to me.

But a RB is not doing that every play with a defense just like Josh isn't doing that every play with a defense. Defenses will tackle the RB and Smith will get stripped if his handles isn't up to par.

[Buzzard]

But a RB is not doing that every play with a defense just like Josh isn't doing that every play with a defense. Defenses will tackle the RB and Smith will get stripped if his handles isn't up to par.

I guess what you are saying is what I have been saying for years, he is not good enough to dribble penetrate even against average defenders in the NBA. Its not like coaches scheme and put their star defender on Smoove. Honestly, who is worried about him putting up 20 or more on a consistent basis? More than likely that guy gets JJ, Horf, or Craw when he was here.

What Smoove is now, is almost exactly what he was when we drafted him. Which is why NBA coaches and teams do not value him much higher than a 6th man.

[Buzzard]

Simple guys. 90% of the time when Joe iso's, except for the corner outlet (typically Marvin or the point), the left side of the floor is cleared for him to work. The center has the near right block but needs to operate outside the paint in the moment. For spacing, the remainder of Marvin or the point is position in the far right corner. Josh is posted high post to the 3 point line on purpose to draw his defender away from Joe.

Now what Josh should do is wait for Joe to cross and then Josh should slash to the basket. However, Joe dribbles with his head down most of the time trying to "get his shot first" and take the defender off the dribble. When Joe puts his head down and the double comes, he isn't in a position to pass out because his head is down. So Joe gets trapped and the pass doesn't come. So 5-ish seconds left, Joe has 2 places to go with the ball. The near corner or rotate to Josh.

In this set, Josh is on the side of the floor with the Center, the right corner defender and he is open because his man left to double Joe. Time permitting, Josh should be taking the ball straight to the hole at the opposing center and if he draws him, drop it off to the center or to the corner. However, Joe gives it up too late for this to develop and so Josh just shoots. Watch it 1000 times, this description of "the event" will be accurate, 90% of the time.

A NFL running back can cover 120ft (40 yards) in 4.4 seconds on average but Josh cannot dribble the ball 22ft. Makes sense to me.

[Nicholasp27]

Um, they value him more than 6th man

They said that bad josh is the OPPONENT'S 6th man, because his bad shots help them so much

They said he could help their team and I'm sure theyd start him

[Joker]

Depends on the team if Josh starts or not.

[AHF]

Simple guys. 90% of the time when Joe iso's, except for the corner outlet (typically Marvin or the point), the left side of the floor is cleared for him to work. The center has the near right block but needs to operate outside the paint in the moment. For spacing, the remainder of Marvin or the point is position in the far right corner. Josh is posted high post to the 3 point line on purpose to draw his defender away from Joe.

Now what Josh should do is wait for Joe to cross and then Josh should slash to the basket. However, Joe dribbles with his head down most of the time trying to "get his shot first" and take the defender off the dribble. When Joe puts his head down and the double comes, he isn't in a position to pass out because his head is down. So Joe gets trapped and the pass doesn't come. So 5-ish seconds left, Joe has 2 places to go with the ball. The near corner or rotate to Josh.

In this set, Josh is on the side of the floor with the Center, the right corner defender and he is open because his man left to double Joe. Time permitting, Josh should be taking the ball straight to the hole at the opposing center and if he draws him, drop it off to the center or to the corner. However, Joe gives it up too late for this to develop and so Josh just shoots. Watch it 1000 times, this description of "the event" will be accurate, 90% of the time.

This happens but we ran lots of iso JJ and JJ pounded the ball on lots of possessions and Josh didn't shoot 3's very often in Woody's last season. Bad sets are defenitely a problem and I blame Larry Drew every bit as much for this. But the sets aren't the full explanation for why Josh gives the defense exactly what they want so much more often this season than any in a career noted for giving the opposition defense exactly what they want.

Edited February 26, 2012 by AHF

[coachx]

The bigger problem is that for all practical purposes, Smoove may not be tradable. If Coaches think that he's their 6th man when they play the Hawks, then no way does a coach want to push for a trade of him. His trade value is skewed.

Many of us have been saying that for years.

The bigger problem is that for all practical purposes, Smoove may not be tradable. If Coaches think that he's their 6th man when they play the Hawks, then no way does a coach want to push for a trade of him. His trade value is skewed.

Many of us have been saying that for years.

[Buzzard]

Many of us have been saying that for years.

Many of us have been saying that for years.

Bank on this, 16 and 9, 16 and 9, 16 and 9. That is not superlative for a power forward. Now throw in his boneheadedness and eratic play, no one wants him at 12 to 14 million a season. If he was only 7 to 9 million a season he would be a easy trade.

Edited February 29, 2012 by Buzzard