Is it best to use the Amnesty on Joe Johnson now or later?

[Joker]

Josh can go.

[Jody23]

But if you keep Joe, you can not sign Smith. It is as simple as that. Keep a 33 year old shooting guard whose production has declined steadily for years or sign a 28 year old in his prime. That's next year's decision. Trading Joe for 3 smaller pieces this year makes that decision a whole lot easier.Basically, the decision on Joe comes down like this. Joe plus 2 vet mins or 3 salaries that average 7 million. None of the 7 million players = Joe but when you factor in 3 players that can improve us at Center or point guard...then you have something. Here is an example. Joe and Marvin (or Zaza) to Detroit for Villanueva, Prince (or Stuckey), Gordon (future pick). These salaries are very similar, almost identical. None of the players I've mentioned are Joe quality. But this puts 1 or 2 extra players on our roster for the same salary. Every piece from Detroit is movable this year or next. This is not the only deal possible, but it is what you want to do if you are going to spread out Joe's salary, get a consistent bench and create a team that will keep Josh...attract other players. Don't do this type of a thing and Josh is gone anyway as Joe's increasing salary and Teague's coming payday eat up the cap.

The point you're missing is that based off what's been reported and what also came out Josh's own mouth (about the fans and about only being under contract for one more year), it's most likely a false assumption to think that trading Joe automatically means Josh will stay. Again, he has multiple reasons he wants out. Could money be one? Sure, but it isn't the only one. For the record, I'm not against trading Joe to get out of that hideous contract. It would be great to do that and get back usable pieces in the process. However, even if that were done, it most likely won't change Josh's desire to play elsewhere.

[thecampster]

The point you're missing is that based off what's been reported and what also came out Josh's own mouth (about the fans and about only being under contract for one more year), it's most likely a false assumption to think that trading Joe automatically means Josh will stay. Again, he has multiple reasons he wants out. Could money be one? Sure, but it isn't the only one. For the record, I'm not against trading Joe to get out of that hideous contract. It would be great to do that and get back usable pieces in the process. However, even if that were done, it most likely won't change Josh's desire to play elsewhere.

Keep Joe, Josh walks ... lottery bound. An aging Joe, little cap room and Horford out of position = 30 win season at best.Trade Joe, Josh walks ... options exist to afford a star to team with Horford/Teague.Trade Joe, Josh stays ... questions now surround what did we get back...are we better.There is only one option....Trade Joe. Edited May 23, 2012 by thecampster

[Joker]

Keep Joe, Josh walks ... lottery bound. An aging Joe, little cap room and Horford out of position = 30 win season at best.Trade Joe, Josh walks ... options exist to afford a star to team with Horford/Teague.Trade Joe, Josh stays ... questions now surround what did we get back...are we better.There is only one option....Trade Joe.

We aren't lottery bound team without Josh (walks) but are damn close to one. 8th seed at best. Smith is a defensive anchor. That's vital considering how weak Teague's PnR defense is.If we trade Josh, the player we bring in could be much more helpful to winning Basketball than Josh is and Josh doesn't fit.

[Joker]

I rather keep Joe. Championship players don't fall off trees especially at SG. There are only four to five of them.WadeKobeJoeHardenManu

[Diesel]

Are the owners going to be willing to pay JJ for not playing for them and sign up to an amnestied payroll structure, not a prayer for 2012-13.

This is my feeling too.

I think if Joe is amnestied... our roster would be the exact same as if Joe were not amnestied. These guys really believes our owners will Amnesty Joe and pay 20 Million for a replacement? These are the same owners who will not pay Luxury tax.

[Diesel]

Keep Joe, Josh walks ... lottery bound. An aging Joe, little cap room and Horford out of position = 30 win season at best.Trade Joe, Josh walks ... options exist to afford a star to team with Horford/Teague.Trade Joe, Josh stays ... questions now surround what did we get back...are we better.There is only one option....Trade Joe.

You missed one..Keep Joe... Trade Josh and Marvin for Gasol...Championship run!!!!

[Joker]

You missed one..Keep Joe... Trade Josh and Marvin for Gasol...Doing the same thing and getting the same results!

Edited.

[Diesel]

Edited.

We get a top 5 offensive post player and in your mind we stay the same???? You're funny.

[AHF]

We get a top 5 offensive post player and in your mind we stay the same???? You're funny.

I think his stay the same option was a separate option from a trade for Gasol. In other words, all the options about trade Josh or Joe are out there but another option that the ASG is likely to consider is simply not trading anyone and filling the roster with minimum salaries.

[thecampster]

You missed one..Keep Joe... Trade Josh and Marvin for Gasol...Championship run!!!!

Gasol + Bynum + Kobe = 2nd round exit this year.You honestly believe that Joe + AL > Kobe + Bynum ...... Delusional

[Diesel]

Gasol + Bynum + Kobe = 2nd round exit this year.You honestly believe that Joe + AL > Kobe + Bynum ...... Delusional

Lakers = In the west with Iso Coach watching Kobe shoot them out of games. Metaworld and Bynum = Basket cases. Lakers have NO PG. Lakers have No other shooters but Kobe. Western teams are stronger than Eastern teams.Joe + Al + Gasol = Championship run.

[Diesel]

I think his stay the same option was a separate option from a trade for Gasol. In other words, all the options about trade Josh or Joe are out there but another option that the ASG is likely to consider is simply not trading anyone and filling the roster with minimum salaries.

If only that were true...