Josh and Gasol

[Admin]

Honestly? I'd trade Josh Smith in a nanosecond to get SAR back in his prime and with no knee injuries. He would be great on our team now as opposed to .499 true shooting Josh Smith.

Not me ... I mean I liked SAR a lot but I like Josh Smith a lot more. When Josh is playing at his best he's a far better player who impacts the game on both ends of the court whereas SAR was average at best as a defender.

[coachx]

Not me ... I mean I liked SAR a lot but I like Josh Smith a lot more. When Josh is playing at his best he's a far better player who impacts the game on both ends of the court whereas SAR was average at best as a defender.

What percentage of the time does Josh Smith play at his best ?

Every other game ? Every third game ? 2 out of every 5 games perhaps ?

Edited June 6, 2012 by coachx

[Joker]

What percentage of the time does Josh Smith play at his best ?Every other game ? Every third game ? 2 out of every 5 games perhaps ?

Josh 5 out 5 games tally.Josh 1 elite game where he's elite out of 5.2 average games1 bad game1 lost the team the game type of game.When he starts showing signs of that Josh, he needs to be benched ASAP.

[Admin]

What percentage of the time does Josh Smith play at his best ?Every other game ? Every third game ? 2 out of every 5 games perhaps ?

I guess it depends on what the definition for his best is. If we're talking about him playing perfectly and not taking an excessive amount of long shots then yeah maybe 10% of the time but last season he had A LOT of incredible games and had games that I've never seen a Hawk player be able to come close to matching and that was a lot more often than 10% of the time.

[coachx]

I'd take SAR over Josh due to consistency and professionalism.I love Josh as a Hawk but his lack of consistency coupled with his wretched shot selection just drives me crazy.

[Joker]

I'd take SAR over Josh due to consistency and professionalism.I love Josh as a Hawk but his lack of consistency coupled with his wretched shot selection just drives me crazy.

Josh is an inconsistent player but he consistently makes an impact and generally a positive one mainly due to his defense. SAR is consistently a loser. Plays a negative style of hoops. In fact I bet most of his +/- are on par with the worse in the NBA. His other adv stats like RAMP might be historically awful. Nothing about this comparison makes sense to me. You have to hate Josh Smith to even want to give this the time of the day.

[Sothron]

You couldn't pay me enough to do something that crazy. Smith>>>SAR. I would rather Zaza than SAR. You can question me all you want but look at the W/L, the tape, and his overall impact. I don't like negative impact players. Guys like SAR, Gooden, and Maggette are players I NEVER want on my team.

I I watched almost every Hawks game SAR was here including more than a few live in the arena. The man was great. He didn't play outside of what he could do (hint hint JOSH SMITH) and what he did do he did at a very high level. Your talking about negative impact players and saying SAR was one is just nuts. Monta Ellis is a negative impact player. Brandon Jennings is a negative impact player. Kyle Korver is a negative impact player. SAR? Hell no.

[Admin]

I I watched almost every Hawks game SAR was here including more than a few live in the arena. The man was great. He didn't play outside of what he could do (hint hint JOSH SMITH) and what he did do he did at a very high level. Your talking about negative impact players and saying SAR was one is just nuts. Monta Ellis is a negative impact player. Brandon Jennings is a negative impact player. Kyle Korver is a negative impact player. SAR? Hell no.

Agreed! Just like 99% of anyone who saw him play would say.

[Joker]

II watched almost every Hawks game SAR was here including more than a few live in the arena. The man was great. He didn't play outside of what he could do (hint hint JOSH SMITH) and what he did do he did at a very high level. Your talking about negative impact players and saying SAR was one is just nuts. Monta Ellis is a negative impact player. Brandon Jennings is a negative impact player. Kyle Korver is a negative impact player. SAR? Hell no.

Ellis is not a negative player, he is just an one dimensional player. He is basically a 6'3 Melo with elite quickness and better passing with worse post game. He has value but he's not a game changer. Korver is a role player who is a 3pt specialist. What does SAR specialize other than getting his shot block, nothing really. He doesn't nothing that well, he has skill, nice footwork, and can rebound but in reality, he is a man without a home. Brandon Jennings has a positive impact he just needs to run the PnR constantly or else he will look silly. He really only has court vision when he is running the PnR. That's why him and Chandler worked so well together. He can also score at will depending on the personnel. That kid can play but personnel matters with Jennings.I watched most of the games and was at Phillips/GT arena a lot at that time. He wasn't any good. He had talent and could get rebounds but mentality, he wasn't a winner. He is basically in the same boat with like minded guys like Corey Maggette and Drew Gooden. Edited June 6, 2012 by Joker

[Joker]

I wouldn't ever put him in the class with BJ or Ellis. Both of those players can be key pieces to winners. SAR is not a key piece to anyone who wants to win.

[Joker]

Championship players- Guys you can build with or around.Quality players- Guys who can help as role players and their role.Extremely talented but flawed- Josh Smith, Ellis, Rondo types, they need the perfect role or they can get in the way.6th man- Usually very talented but are tweeners and aren't the most gifted, JT, Teague, B. Jackson.Bench players- Have one or two impactful traits.Scrubs- They are practice players.Negative impact players- They have talent but the more they play, the more you lose. They are cancerous to winning. SAR, Corey M, Gooden, etc.

[Joker]

I would rather scrubs than negative impact players. All talent isn't good talent.

[Watchman]

Josh 5 out 5 games tally.

Josh 1 elite game where he's elite out of 5.

2 average games

1 bad game

1 lost the team the game type of game.

When he starts showing signs of that Josh, he needs to be benched ASAP.

By definition, your analysis of his 5 games is that Smith is average at best. Some impact player, huh?

[Joker]

By definition, your analysis of his 5 games is that Smith is average at best. Some impact player, huh?

I meant offensively. Defensively he is consistently very good or elite.

[Watchman]

You're clearly watching a different team then the rest of us are. The Hawks probably have the most stagnant offense in the NBA and Marvin is the only starter (when he's starting) who actually moves without the ball on a regular basis. Joe does it sometimes coming off of a pick but he rarely ever cuts to the basket without the ball.

Unfortunately, when Marvin moves it's usually because he's falling down or fumbled the ball away.

[Joker]

Unfortunately, when Marvin moves it's usually because he's falling down or fumbled the ball away.

Marvin moves well without the ball, it's on the ball where that generally happens.

[Watchman]

I meant offensively. Defensively he is consistently very good or elite.

No, to be defensively very good or elite you have to put forth effort on every play. He doesn't even go down court on defense every time. You might not be the first man down the court every time, but you do have to at least head that way. Edited June 6, 2012 by Watchman

[Joker]

No to be defensively very good or elite you have to put forth effort on every play. He doesn't even go down court on defense every time. You might not be the first man down the court every time, but you do have to at least head that way.

He does need to give effort every possession but he does more than most. It's like saying well Lebron holds the ball and has a negative possession, how is he the best. We when he doesn't, he's a beast and he's a beast anyway. Josh is really someone I wish I was 100% all the time. His focus just isn't there at times in the game and then it's there. So weird.

[Admin]

Unfortunately, when Marvin moves it's usually because he's falling down or fumbled the ball away.

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[Diesel]

Not me ... I mean I liked SAR a lot but I like Josh Smith a lot more. When Josh is playing at his best he's a far better player who impacts the game on both ends of the court whereas SAR was average at best as a defender.

I think it's apples and oranges. These two players are polar opposites all the way around. SAR carried a double team around like an umbrella on a rainy day. I have never seen Josh Doubled by design. Josh has a defensive impact, SAR doesn't. SAR had low post scoring down to a science, Josh barely visits the low post. SAR probably put up about 4 three pointers over his career, Josh does that in his first quarter of play of a game. Interestingly enough, they were both from Atlanta. I really liked SAR because he brought a much needed skillset and he was good at it. Josh on the other hand is good at Defense and things that require athleticism.. however, what everybody has to agree on is that Josh's impact is high but his BBIQ isn't.