We need a scorer on this team.

[Wurider05]

we need a player that can get buckets in a variety of ways. Our guys are too one dimensional. We need someone who can flat out score. I am thinking along the lines iines of Jordan Crawford and Jamal Crawford. We don't have that player that when he gets hot can absolutely burn you. That is the difference in alot of our lossess. We have no one that can drop 30 out of the blue. Rudy Gay would have been the perfect fit for this team. We need someone who is a threat from anywhere on the court.

[ATLien_]

We just have really inconsistent production from our SG and SF positions. It's shame it's not a better free agent class for those positions. This is where the Lou injury really hurts us and Imo keeps us from shocking the world by getting to the ECF for the first time in franchise history.

[Wurider05]

Damn I forgot we has Lou on the team. Seems like he went down with the injury a year ago.

[benhillboy]

Damn I forgot we has Lou on the team. Seems like he went down with the injury a year ago.

And there you go. He isn't the size I want at the 2, but we're missing his mid-range, pull-up game something awful now. He was also off his career free throw attempt average a little, but still able to get to the line and convert as good or better than anyone else on our team. Anytime you lose a perennial Sixth Man Candidate, it's gonna hurt, no matter if you're a fan of his style or not. Basically, were missing another person to take shots away from Josh. We need all those we can get. Edited March 23, 2013 by benhillboy

[Cwell]

Rudy Gay sucks, he shoots like 8-35 every damn game. MarShon Brooks has that potential. and Lou is really overrated on here. he's no Jamal get buckets Crawford by any means. Dude only scored 20 points 7 times this year. Jeff has done it 13 times since Lou went down and thats not including the 21 he scored in that very game against Brooklyn that Lou went down.

Edited March 23, 2013 by Cwell

[Guest]

Yeah! Someone like, I don't know, a Lou Williams? Yeah! That would be great. Yeah!

[yungsta]

NO we dont need another guy who takes a high volume of shots and is inefficient. we DO NOT need more players who are offensive minded, wants shots, and wont do the dirty work....

We need players who arent worrying about scoring, who are defensive minded and focused on doing the dirty work. Our effort on the defensive end has been flat out pathetic because we have too many players who are worrying about scoring...

we have teague who is a scorer first point.

We have smoove who wants to be larry bird and jack up a bunch of shots

we have the emergence of al horford who needs his shots.

We have devin who is scorer first point guard.

We have korver who is a 3 point specialist and is offensive minded

etc........

we only have 2 players who arent worrying about scoring and that is zaza who is injured and ivan who mins are inconsistent.

Edited March 23, 2013 by yungsta

[Guest]

Yeaaaaa and if we had a "scorer" on this team there would be another hawksquawk topic about how he's a ball hog and holding us back as a team. Vicious cycle.

[PSSSHHHRRR87]

You didn't serious bring up Jordan Crawford... SMH I agree we need another scorer on this team, but an undersized tweener isn't the answer. We have Lou for that job. What we need a SF (6'7" - 6'9") off of the bench that can chip in 12 ppg. Corey Brewer comes to mind which I think Horf would absolutely love. Maybe it'll be one of our draft picks. Who knows...

[Wretch]

we need a player that can get buckets in a variety of ways. Our guys are too one dimensional. We need someone who can flat out score. I am thinking along the lines iines of Jordan Crawford and Jamal Crawford. We don't have that player that when he gets hot can absolutely burn you. That is the difference in alot of our lossess. We have no one that can drop 30 out of the blue. Rudy Gay would have been the perfect fit for this team. We need someone who is a threat from anywhere on the court.

Been singing this song for years now. You need a guy that can put the ball in the damn basket. Some people call that a superstar, I call it a franchise talent. Regardless, the guy has a role just like everyone else - and that is to get baskets when we absolutely need them. Right now, Josh Smith still thinks he's that player and still takes those shots. We'd do well to get the ball into Teague or Horford's hands, preferably. Ultimately, we're going to need a guy that can put the ball in the basket.

The problem with getting guys like Lou, Crawford, etc. is that some nights they will be on fire. Other nights, they will be off. In the big games, you can't rely on these guys to carry you. The defense is going to dig in, the other team's star(s) will take over, and your response will be this guy.

In theory (on paper) you should be able to spread the floor if you have guys (like Teague/Horford) that are pretty decent scorers, and you can make it interesting. Good coaches have an answer for "pretty decent" scorers though and the end result is going to be forcing one of these guys to beat them. That is IF your go to guy is actually having a good night. This is why you need a guy that doesn't just have good nights, but plays at that level every single game.

Making matters more complicated is a guy like Smoove. You are already lacking the guy that can consistently put the ball in the basket, and the best scorer that you have needs to be able to get into a rhythm (IOW: needs more shots), but with Josh...you got a wanna-be scoring leader that does this:

Just about every single game...

You have to get a guy that can consistently hit from somewhere on the court and you need to get rid of these shots by a guy that are for the most part ineffective (if not counterproductive).

On a side note, this is why I'm intrigued by Al Jefferson. That dude is a true center, with true post game, that puts the ball in the basket with HIGH PERCENTAGE shots. Just like Horford, he can knock down the midrange too. Adding to that, he moves Al to his natural position and gives us another double-digit rebounder, and another defender.

The knock is that he needs a lot of shots, but he HITS a high percentage of those shots and he hits them at an unassisted percentage consistent with the league's apex scorers (he can create his own offense). A guy that demands the ball that MAKES HIGH PERCENTAGE shots at a high percentage is not a problem. If we're not in rebuild mode, then this guy is our primary FA target.

Don't just look at the ball going into the basket, look at his shooting form and look at his moves:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYFxtibcPkY

[Guest]

I do agree we need a SuperDuper Star, but we all know they do not grow and trees or fall from the sky. So......I say we need a player in the mold of Many Ginobli - plays within the system, but can also score when things bog down - run the offense, penetrate to score or pass, shoot the 3 and get to the free throw line and hit the freethrows.

Speaking of Josh and shot selection, particulary in the 4th quarter - He has attempted a career high 172 3-pointers at 30.8% this season which is already 18 more than his previous high. And there are still 13 games left to go, so if we figure his 3-4 3's a game that is an additional 39-52 attempts. So if the trend continues he will have anywhere from 211-224 attempts for the season. Well done "Mid-Range-Shawty"

Better to be good at the right things than great at the wrong things

[TheFuzz]

Eh. We miss Lou. We could use some more defensive and rebounding help first and foremost. I mean, if we're getting a scorer better than Teague, Lou and Horford, he's an All-Star, so of course we'll take him.

Edited March 23, 2013 by TheFuzz

[Bahamut]

MID-RANGE, SHAWTY!!!

[itsslomotionbaby]

did we not have a scoring team in a small similarity when we had morrow, he would chip in some crucial shots during key minutes of the game until he got injured for a month.we traded him in for mord defensive minded dontay. we cant have it both ways.

[coachx]

I've been signing this song with you for a while. IF the Hawks don't want to take a step back to rebuild then Al Jefferson is the best option. He fills our need of a low post scorer to run some offense through while also attacking the weakness of the Heat.

I'd be fine with either option of taking a step back or adding an allstar quality piece........its not like Al Jeffeson would not be tradeable as long as we don't over pay him.

It would be interesting to see Teague / Horford / Jenkins............with the addition of Lou Williams, Al Jefferson, 2 draft picks, maybe Korver, and some cheap help.

Been singing this song for years now. You need a guy that can put the ball in the damn basket. Some people call that a superstar, I call it a franchise talent. Regardless, the guy has a role just like everyone else - and that is to get baskets when we absolutely need them. Right now, Josh Smith still thinks he's that player and still takes those shots. We'd do well to get the ball into Teague or Horford's hands, preferably. Ultimately, we're going to need a guy that can put the ball in the basket.

The problem with getting guys like Lou, Crawford, etc. is that some nights they will be on fire. Other nights, they will be off. In the big games, you can't rely on these guys to carry you. The defense is going to dig in, the other team's star(s) will take over, and your response will be this guy.

In theory (on paper) you should be able to spread the floor if you have guys (like Teague/Horford) that are pretty decent scorers, and you can make it interesting. Good coaches have an answer for "pretty decent" scorers though and the end result is going to be forcing one of these guys to beat them. That is IF your go to guy is actually having a good night. This is why you need a guy that doesn't just have good nights, but plays at that level every single game.

Making matters more complicated is a guy like Smoove. You are already lacking the guy that can consistently put the ball in the basket, and the best scorer that you have needs to be able to get into a rhythm (IOW: needs more shots), but with Josh...you got a wanna-be scoring leader that does this:

Just about every single game...

You have to get a guy that can consistently hit from somewhere on the court and you need to get rid of these shots by a guy that are for the most part ineffective (if not counterproductive).

On a side note, this is why I'm intrigued by Al Jefferson. That dude is a true center, with true post game, that puts the ball in the basket with HIGH PERCENTAGE shots. Just like Horford, he can knock down the midrange too. Adding to that, he moves Al to his natural position and gives us another double-digit rebounder, and another defender.

The knock is that he needs a lot of shots, but he HITS a high percentage of those shots and he hits them at an unassisted percentage consistent with the league's apex scorers (he can create his own offense). A guy that demands the ball that MAKES HIGH PERCENTAGE shots at a high percentage is not a problem. If we're not in rebuild mode, then this guy is our primary FA target.

Don't just look at the ball going into the basket, look at his shooting form and look at his moves:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYFxtibcPkY

[AHF]

we need a player that can get buckets in a variety of ways. Our guys are too one dimensional. We need someone who can flat out score. I am thinking along the lines iines of Jordan Crawford and Jamal Crawford.

I am not.

Jordan Crawford Career .487 TS%

[Wretch]

Yeah man...

You see that dude's footwork and fakes? Hell yes. Give me that cat all day long. I mean, what are people scared of? We've been crying about getting a "quality big man" for centuries and moving Al to the 4...and here's an EFFICIENT 20/10 dude that gives us another post defender. What....EVER...

Horford and Jefferson would make a nasty inside/out combo. I can just imagine those two drawing attention, with Teague penetrating, and a good spot up shooter floating the perimeter...omg. I'd sign Jefferson in a heartbeat and yes, you still have the option of dealing him should things not work out.

[Cwell]

Yeah man...

You see that dude's footwork and fakes? Hell yes. Give me that cat all day long. I mean, what are people scared of? We've been crying about getting a "quality big man" for centuries and moving Al to the 4...and here's an EFFICIENT 20/10 dude that gives us another post defender. What....EVER...

Horford and Jefferson would make a nasty inside/out combo. I can just imagine those two drawing attention, with Teague penetrating, and a good spot up shooter floating the perimeter...omg. I'd sign Jefferson in a heartbeat and yes, you still have the option of dealing him should things not work out.

the only issue people seem to have with Jefferson is that he's not a good defender. I haven't watched much of him to know how good or bad his defense really is

[yungsta]

personally my problem with jefferson is his black hole ball stopping style of play on offense and his awful defense. horford was destroying him in utah. He is like the big man version of joe johnson to me. I think horford is better than him cause he scores without stagnating the offense and isnt a total liability on defense.

Also I dont want to have 2 bigs who are offensive minded. Most championship teams have a defensive big who focuses on doing the dirty work while the other big focuses on scoring. I want a defensive big to pair up with horford.

There is the opinion of someone who doesnt want al jefferson.

[Wretch]

I think first, this depends on your opinion of a black hole. Of course it's a guy that launches it every time he touches it, which keeps other people out of the offense. However, inefficiency plays a part in that as well. Because if you're being fed the ball and you're hitting...then what's the problem? This isn't a guy that needs a lot of shots to be effective. This is a dude that when you give him the ball...he scores.

I wouldn't say it's clogging up the offense...when you're putting the ball in the basket. I also don't think you can compare what Jefferson does to what JJ did. JJ was a guard getting doubled and tripled, relying upon his big body and his floater in the paint. With enough pressure, or a decent paint defender, he's going to fail in there. Al Jefferson is a big man, playing like a big man in the post. It's where he belongs. You could clog the lane, but dude can hit the midrange too.

As far as coexisting with Horford...

I don't see Horf as an offensive minded guy. He doesn't dominate the ball and he's the most assisted player among the league's field goal % leaders (@77%). If anything, aside from his midrange shot, Horford IS a dirty work kind of player. He's one of the league's best rebounders and he excels at playing away from the ball. To be honest, he doesn't have a strong post game. He makes a living on his midrange game and getting into the right place at the right time.

So Jefferson wouldn't get in his way. Moreover, with Jefferson also being able to step outside, those two could play inside/out all day. What Jefferson would (and should) do is take offense away from Josh...specifically those jumpers. There is no way you trade those ridiculous jump shots from Josh for one of the best low post options in the game...and come out bad.

I guess it's a fair question as to whether or not his game would limit our MotionOffense^TM, but when you score as often as he does...I don't really see the problem. We also don't know if that sort of offense (with Larry Drew) is coming back. I don't really have a comment about his defense, but he's a big body that rebounds in the double digits...so that's not the issue. He's an average shot blocker, but there's only a handful of elite swatters in the game. I'd take his offense and rebounding and if it didn't work out, I'd deal him. There will be suitors.