Smoove = +by-

[Nicholasp27]

Very simple statistics. http://www.82games.com/1213/12ATL14.HTM On court last year the Offense was 2.6 better with Smith on the court (per 100 possessions). Off court the defense was .6 worse with Smith off the court (per 100 possessions). IE. on average the Hawks were 3 points better in a game where Smith was playing as compared to when he was not. Losing Smith could cost the Hawks 10 games next year.

Seriously?You wanna use that argument and claim 10 games but not take 2 seconds to go to millsap's page to see that he is +11.6 or almost 3x as important by your chosen stat?http://www.82games.com/1112/11UTA12.HTM

[Nicholasp27]

Very simple statistics. http://www.82games.com/1213/12ATL14.HTM On court last year the Offense was 2.6 better with Smith on the court (per 100 possessions). Off court the defense was .6 worse with Smith off the court (per 100 possessions). IE. on average the Hawks were 3 points better in a game where Smith was playing as compared to when he was not. Losing Smith could cost the Hawks 10 games next year.

Seriously?You wanna use that argument and claim 10 games but not take 2 seconds to go to millsap's page to see that he is +11.6 or almost 3x as important by your chosen stat?http://www.82games.com/1112/11UTA12.HTM

[turnermx]

I was trying to pull up Millsaps 12-13 stats you know how? Couldn't find the link. Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2

[kerrypack]

Very simple statistics. http://www.82games.com/1213/12ATL14.HTM

On court last year the Offense was 2.6 better with Smith on the court (per 100 possessions).

Off court the defense was .6 worse with Smith off the court (per 100 possessions).

IE. on average the Hawks were 3 points better in a game where Smith was playing as compared to when he was not.

Losing Smith could cost the Hawks 10 games next year.

unless you pick up someone who is 3.3 points better...

[Buzzard]

Very simple statistics. http://www.82games.com/1213/12ATL14.HTM

On court last year the Offense was 2.6 better with Smith on the court (per 100 possessions).

Off court the defense was .6 worse with Smith off the court (per 100 possessions).

IE. on average the Hawks were 3 points better in a game where Smith was playing as compared to when he was not.

Losing Smith could cost the Hawks 10 games next year.

You start more than four players. The real question should be, are we a better team ( team is the key word ) with a more traditional playing PF in Millsap than we are with Josh?

That will soon be answered in our the won/loss record.

[Buzzard]

unless you pick up someone who is 3.3 points better...

Great point and we did. His name is Paul Millsap.

See Nicholasp27 post = plus 11.6 for Millsap.

[thecampster]

Seriously?You wanna use that argument and claim 10 games but not take 2 seconds to go to millsap's page to see that he is +11.6 or almost 3x as important by your chosen stat?http://www.82games.com/1112/11UTA12.HTM

Milsap is +1.5. The offense scored 4.1 more points with him on the floor but gave up 2.6 more points with him on the floor. A net +1.5. Compared to Josh where our offense scored +2.6 more with him on the floor and gave up .6 less with him on the floor for a net of +3.2. The defensive drop concerns me. This isn't because Milsap is a bad defender, Josh just changes many things when he's on the floor defensively that Milsap does not.

Also, Milsap isn't able to score without help which is why his efficiency is higher. Our current issue as currently constructed is we have an entire team of people that rely on others to get theirs. This will lead to a very stagnant offense at times.

Defensively, we have an entire team of people who play solid team concept but don't "make anything happen". What this means is a big drop in the transition game.

So given you accept my premise that the offense will suffer due to a lack of creation and a lack of turnovers/fast breaks and the defense will suffer because of a lack of steals/blocks/turnovers then you must also accept an increase in opponents points per 100 possessions and a drop in team points per 100 possessions.

[thecampster]

I was trying to pull up Millsaps 12-13 stats you know how? Couldn't find the link.Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2

http://www.82games.com/1213/12UTA11.HTM

To get a link choose Home. Then click the team in the left. Once the season changes, you can choose prior seasons below the team name to get older years. Okay so once you've chosen a team, click the player name.

Which brings me to point #2.

Going back one season, Smith's points per 100 possessions was +8.2. +6.6 offense on court, giving up 1.6 less on defense.

Millsap in 11/12. An amazing +11.6. The difference, Devin Harris as the starter. Harris was very adept that year in playing the point for Utah, especially at the end of the year. This shows how important having a solid creator is to Millsap.

[thecampster]

Now go back a season before without Harris. He's back down to a +2.5. Millsap is very point guard, creator dependent. This will put a great deal of pressure on Teague/Williams/Dennis etc.

[NBASupes]

So according to that, Korver is more valuable than Josh?

Yeah, I'm glad we didn't give him that kind of cash.

Korver was key on the court last year as well Devin. Our speed kills lineup opened all type of space for Korver even if it hurt Smoove on offense a tad. We don't have that anymore especially without Smoove. It's funny how we dismiss all of the good Josh does which is more than even Al because Josh does a lot of bad.

Edited July 29, 2013 by nbasupes40retired

[NBASupes]

http://www.82games.com/1213/12UTA11.HTM

To get a link choose Home. Then click the team in the left. Once the season changes, you can choose prior seasons below the team name to get older years. Okay so once you've chosen a team, click the player name.

Which brings me to point #2.

Going back one season, Smith's points per 100 possessions was +8.2. +6.6 offense on court, giving up 1.6 less on defense.

Millsap in 11/12. An amazing +11.6. The difference, Devin Harris as the starter. Harris was very adept that year in playing the point for Utah, especially at the end of the year. This shows how important having a solid creator is to Millsap.

I can't wait for this shit to blow up. I really want us to lose a lot of games. I am actually happy Jeff is starting and will get 30-33 MPG for us this year.

Look at where Millsap scores, it's in similar spots as Horford. That;s why Millsap and Boozer could never play together as well. I know a lot of us don't get it because Al is an all around player but a major reason why Al can play center is because Josh can protect the rim for us. If we are playing v. one of those teams with a false center and not post bigs, we can do fine with Al at center but most NBA teams got a solid true center now. Look at the East for example outside of Miami who has Bron and Wade.

In 2012, Josh had a +7.7 simple rating and his on/off was off the charts for us. Josh really made everyone around him better but his offense was a drag as a #1 option. No way should Josh be in the top 5 of shots taken in ANY NBA season.

Edited July 29, 2013 by nbasupes40retired

[MaceCase]

Also, Milsap isn't able to score without help which is why his efficiency is higher. Our current issue as currently constructed is we have an entire team of people that rely on others to get theirs. This will lead to a very stagnant offense at times.

Josh Smith 64% of baskets assisted.

Paul Millsap 62% of baskets assisted.

Please stop.

[NBASupes]

Josh Smith 64% of baskets assisted.

Paul Millsap 62% of baskets assisted.

Please stop.

Smoove biggest issue was consistently creating his own shots and forcing bad shots. Using Smoove is an example is a fairly good one and 62-64% is a highly assisted Basketball player no matter what position.

Mace, did you watch any Utah games?

Edited July 29, 2013 by nbasupes40retired

[MaceCase]

Smoove biggest issue was consistently creating his own shots and forcing bad shots. Using Smoove is an example is a fairly good one and 62-64% is a highly assisted Basketball player no matter what position.

Mace, did you watch any Utah games?

Why is it that pulling teeth is easier than figuring out a coherent point from you? Yes, I watched Utah games but I don't know what that has to do with saying the only reason why player A is efficient is because people create his offense yet player B is wildly inefficient and has more of his offense created for him. How does an offense become more stagnant when you replace one player with another less dependent and more efficient player?