Sh*t! Here we go again….Hawks involved with 3 team trade?

[Guest]

they can work Brand, DMC, and one of Antić, Cunningham, Jenkins or Dennis would make the deal work. I wouldn't include Dennis but any of the others would be fine with me.

I think you missed the point. If Chicago is trading away Deng then it's for luxury tax reasons. Where does that $5m go? Houston? They can't take all of that back. So then it goes to Chicago, who doesn't save any money in that scenario since they would maintain some luxury tax payments and then pick up the larger payments to Lin. So why does this go down?

[Diesel]

Asik really isn't a good long-term fit here plus he would add to our next years salary significantly. Far from my favorite move for this team but it would be hard to ignore him for this price.

B.S.

This team is dying for a rebounding C who can protect the rim. Asik fits. Moreover, nobody knows what this team will look like next year. The pieces that we have are far from secured.

[Diesel]

I think you missed the point. If Chicago is trading away Deng then it's for luxury tax reasons. Where does that $5m go? Houston? They can't take all of that back. So then it goes to Chicago, who doesn't save any money in that scenario since they would maintain some luxury tax payments and then pick up the larger payments to Lin. So why does this go down?

I would think Chicago would want to get Lin simply because he can run PG. The other thing is if we send Brand/Cunningham to the Chi, that represents about 6 Million that comes off of their books. But if you're talking this years cap...There's no help for that.

[Plainview1981]

I wouldn't mind getting rid of Brand. That dude is done.

[JTB]

Houston would want Deng because he's able to play defensively against the 3 or the 4 AND MORE importantly, he represents capspace at the end of the season. The thought of Deng not being good as Parsons is wrong... Deng is putting up 19/7/4... Not great but not bad and I believe better than Parsons.

So I have the deal being:

Deng/DMC to Houston.

Brand/Cunningham/Lin to Chicago

Asik to Atlanta.

Then we can send Dennis and Lou Williams to Orlando for Aflalo....

Our starting 5 would be:

Asik/Millsap/Korver/Aflalo/Teague....

That wins in alot of places.

LOL I just posted something very similar…the thing is that fans have to start thinking of what the nba is today not what it was in the 90s…..I get that deng isn't naturally a pf but in todays nba he can be, especially with Howard behind him.

You really have to start changing your mindset when it comes to certain things in todays NBA and this is always an argument on these boards but facts are facts…….

-Lebron shouldn't be able to play all 5 positions in the nba and surely couldn't in the 90s were 7 foot centers were all over the place but today sadly to say he can play all 5 positions no question about it.

-Horford shouldn't have been an top 5 center for 3 or 5 years straight because he was undersized but he was able to be a top 5 center and make 2 all star games because most centers in the league today are hot garbage.

-Hell Dennis Rodman shouldn't have been grabbing 16 plus rebounds at 6'7 for multiple years straight but he did.

Point is that size doesn't always matter sometimes its the presence of the team that allows the players to play certain positions. Look at the heat…bosh suddenly can be an effective center in todays nba and battier can be an effective PF in todays nba because the presence of Lebron James but lets flip the scene and insert the houston rockets…..because of the defensive presence of dwight howard, Deng can play PF (plus deng is just a great defender period) and be successful at doing so. Lets flip the scene one more time and look at our hawks….if and only if we had a true BIG and was able to move horford to pf, its no doubt that milsap could play SF and be extremely effective because of his 3 point shooting ability and the fact that he has great size and the ability to post up other or most SFs in the league. Anything could work with the right players.

*And just so I can get this off my chest and not create a long thread about how milsap can play the 3 position I want to point out that Josh Smith could have played the SF position but he didn't want to stick with his abilities. Smith's biggest reason for failing at SF in ATL and currently in detroit are all due to his ignorance on offense. Smith can play perimeter defense as long as theres a true center in the paint, he just need to be way smarter on offense and actually put more effort on defense (he's too focused on scoring on offense). As for milsap this guy is smart period. Too many people on these boards claim they played basketball and say they know the game but if thats true you will also know that defense isn't all about sliding your feet fast enough to keep up with the opponent its about using what you have. Milsap is no where near as fast as Smith but he would provide better defense on the perimeter because he's smart enough to use his big body to help him guard his opponent on the perimeter, where as smith would try to bait his opponent to run past him just so he have an opportunity to steal the ball.

An honestly just to throw this out there I think that a BIG body SF's like milsap is key to defense in todays NBA especially if the defender knows how to use their larger frame against their opponent…..Im not saying Im completely right about everything but I am saying I know some posters on this board always bring up the fact that they played basketball at a college level….well guess what so did I and Ive seen larger/slower SF's have more success guarding SF's period. (2008 Boston Celtics are a perfect example with large frame SF's paul pierce and james posey. those guys when in at the same time were very tough to score on, on a consistent basis)

[Guest]

Can we please get rid of Sheldon Mack. Dude is terrible

Why? He puts up good nimbers....

[benhillboy]

...I believe we would already have Asik if DF really wanted him.

Yep.

[Vol4ever]

Oh Asik would be a long term fit. He is a legit 7 footer that defends and rebounds and he is proven. He is a player that would fit Buds system well.

Edited January 3, 2014 by Vol4ever

[capstone21]

Add Dennis and this deal is instantly trash. Stop being short slighted. Dennis is a long term project. As for Jenkins, he is hurt so we need more time to develop him. Antić or Cunningham can go tomorrow. Just fillers anyway especially Cunningham.

did u even read what I said

[sturt]

The article indicates that HOU gets a 1st round pick... does it occur to anyone that that pick probably comes from us?... no concerns about that?

[MrMeltdown]

B.S.

This team is dying for a rebounding C who can protect the rim. Asik fits. Moreover, nobody knows what this team will look like next year. The pieces that we have are far from secured.

I disagree. Asik is a poor fit offensively, other than setting picks and getting offensive rebounds he is useless. Defensively he is overrated. It may have been Chicago's defensive system that made him look good because it has not carried over to Houston. His rebounds would be a welcome sight. Asiks best fit for the Hawks is as a specialist who rebounds and sets picks. Not worth Millsap (I know we are not discussing him here) and I question if he is worth adding to our cap for next year because we would really only have the exceptions left after adding him and our picks.

[JTB]

I think the only thing holding this trade back is the bulls making sure that Lin is healthy. Other than that….I see no other reasons the trade could be held back.

Why the Bulls do it:

The Bulls really need some offensive help now that rose has went down yet again and though Lin gets criticized he can run PG pretty well….the kid has some natural PG instincts if given a chance (he's shown that in New York), plus the bulls have the defense to make up for Lin's poor defensive skill set (obviously the rockets don't as we all can see).

Why the Rockets do the deal:

Are you kidding me! Getting rid of Asik is easy but getting rid of Lin?! Now thats hard why wouldn't they do the deal. The whole plan is to unload Lin and Asik contracts and acquire a player that can spread the floor and defend (Deng). Plus they weren't getting Milsap without giving up Terrance Jones anyways, this way they can keep jones who's having a great breakout season and still get a very good player like Deng! Win-Win situation for the rockets.

Why the Hawks do the deal:

No need to explain we all know the deal. We need a true center who can protect the rim and be a rebounding machine and theres no better player on the trade block than Asik for those duties….and yes Asik is a long term move hands down. (Man that front court is damn beast with milsap,horford,asik)

[JTB]

I disagree. Asik is a poor fit offensively, other than setting picks and getting offensive rebounds he is useless. Defensively he is overrated. It may have been Chicago's defensive system that made him look good because it has not carried over to Houston. His rebounds would be a welcome sight. Asiks best fit for the Hawks is as a specialist who rebounds and sets picks. Not worth Millsap (I know we are not discussing him here) and I question if he is worth adding to our cap for next year because we would really only have the exceptions left after adding him and our picks.

So hard to judge that when Houston gets a 3 time defender and yet they are still a terrible defensive team in the NBA.

Ranked 25th in the league in points allowed:

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/hou/houston-rockets

And please don't say its because they score a ton of points cause they scored a ton of points last year with Asik in the lineup….lets face it the rockets need less offensive power and more perimeter defensive help, which is why Deng makes perfect sense….Asik is a good rim protector in todays NBA just like Javale Mcgee is good rim protector or Deandre Jordan, theres not many BIG 7 footers like this that come around my friend so lets not sleep on the opportunity.

[Vol4ever]

I disagree. Asik is a poor fit offensively, other than setting picks and getting offensive rebounds he is useless. Defensively he is overrated. It may have been Chicago's defensive system that made him look good because it has not carried over to Houston. His rebounds would be a welcome sight. Asiks best fit for the Hawks is as a specialist who rebounds and sets picks. Not worth Millsap (I know we are not discussing him here) and I question if he is worth adding to our cap for next year because we would really only have the exceptions left after adding him and our picks.

Asik was a finalist for defensive player of the year in the NBA last year.

[MrMeltdown]

So hard to judge that when Houston gets a 3 time defender and yet they are still a terrible defensive team in the NBA.

Ranked 25th in the league in points allowed:

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/hou/houston-rockets

And please don't say its because they score a ton of points cause they scored a ton of points last year with Asik in the lineup….lets face it the rockets need less offensive power and more perimeter defensive help, which is why Deng makes perfect sense….Asik is a good rim protector in todays NBA just like Javale Mcgee is good rim protector or Deandre Jordan, theres not many BIG 7 footers like this that come around my friend so lets not sleep on the opportunity.

So, they were horrible last year with Asik also. He went from being part of one of the stingiest defenses to one of the worse. That would insinuate that he is not going to make us much better than 20th in points allowed.

[MrMeltdown]

Asik was a finalist for defensive player of the year in the NBA last year.

His team was horrible defensively. We have some iffy defenders that play a lot of minutes

[JTB]

The article indicates that HOU gets a 1st round pick... does it occur to anyone that that pick probably comes from us?... no concerns about that?

Im not worried about that….Ferry isn't stupid…that pick if its coming from us, it will not be this years potential lottery pick. Houston wants to rob teams I get that, they have shown that but when they are able to get out of two bad contracts in one trade I bet they are least concerned about that draft pick. Plus they are in win now mode.

No team is going to hand houston everything they want and Im sure they aren't going to mess up a trade that gets them out of two poison pill contracts in one trade….just aint happening.

[JTB]

So, they were horrible last year with Asik also. He went from being part of one of the stingiest defenses to one of the worse. That would insinuate that he is not going to make us much better than 20th in points allowed.

Coaching is huge right here my friend…I get what your saying but defense isn't the only problem with the hawks, its rebounding too and asik has rebounded extremely well on every team he's been on.

Going back to defense…trust me Asik will help this team if he were here. I only wish horford could play if the trade actually went down.

But the problem on defense if the trade was to go down is that we won't have DMC anymore and will be depending on teague and korver defensively. You can't blame bad perimeter defense on Asik. He controls the paint which he will keep locked down for us as far as defense on the perimeter Asiks presence will help but if you have players like Teague who doesn't fight through screens well or players like korver who just aren't that great at defense period it makes it hard to overcome. Then you have to turn your attention to the fact that Lou will probably start if that trade went down making our backcourt once again small.

So while I won't guarantee a top 10 defense I can guarantee a rebounding machine, who can protect the rim but remember this is a long term move if it were to happen. Come next season we could have milsap, horford, Asik as our front court with teague and korver/or a high draft pick like Marcus Smart in our back court, then we will be a better defensive team. (horford being injured hurts us right now from making that happen)

[ViperXX79]

I'm pretty sure these "rumors" are iffy at best when you look can find these "rumors" of Asik going to Minnesota posted roughly in the same time frame on the same sites with the Asik to the Hawks stuff.

http://www.latinopost.com/articles/2700/20140102/nba-nba-trade-rumors-nba-trade-rumors-2014-houston-rockets-omer-asik-omer-asik-trade-minnesota-timberwolves-new-orleans-pelicans-charlotte-bobcats-brooklyn-nets.htm

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/532656/20140103/nikola-pekovic-omer-asik.htm#.UsZUVPTk6Zc

The guy from the ibtimes referenced a rumor from the site Clutchfans.net so I went over there and they thought the guy was crazy for using their forum posts to write this article. Rockets fans think we'd give up Millsap to get Asik and Gibson in the bulls deal...lol Also the latino post references the ibtimes for the Asik to Minn deal as there source.

So going back to the Hawks rumors from the latino post they write this:

"According to FOX Sports, the Bulls have inquired about trading for Lin in exchange for Luol Deng, with the Hawks being a possible destination for Asik," via Sports illustrated Fan Sided.

Followed that link to a blog from Dec 27th: http://www.chatsports.com/houston-rockets/a/NBA-Trade-Rumors-ThreeTeam-Trade-Involving-Omer-AsikJeremy-LinLuol-Deng-Being-Explored-2-9049547

The gentleman that wrote that is Michael Ma. Michael Ma is the lead editor of spacecityscoop.com, as well as columnist for rocketssocial.com, and an NBA contributor for Yahoo! A native of the Dallas/Fort Worth area, Michael became a basketball writer for Fansided in 2012. You can follow him on twitter @RealMichaelMa.

He mentions Fox Sports yet no one ever links to any hard evidence.

[JTB]

I'm pretty sure these "rumors" are iffy at best when you look can find these "rumors" of Asik going to Minnesota posted roughly in the same time frame on the same sites with the Asik to the Hawks stuff.

http://www.latinopost.com/articles/2700/20140102/nba-nba-trade-rumors-nba-trade-rumors-2014-houston-rockets-omer-asik-omer-asik-trade-minnesota-timberwolves-new-orleans-pelicans-charlotte-bobcats-brooklyn-nets.htm

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/532656/20140103/nikola-pekovic-omer-asik.htm#.UsZUVPTk6Zc

The guy from the ibtimes referenced a rumor from the site Clutchfans.net so I went over there and they thought the guy was crazy for using their forum posts to write this article. Rockets fans think we'd give up Millsap to get Asik and Gibson in the bulls deal...lol Also the latino post references the ibtimes for the Asik to Minn deal as there source.

So going back to the Hawks rumors from the latino post they write this:

"According to FOX Sports, the Bulls have inquired about trading for Lin in exchange for Luol Deng, with the Hawks being a possible destination for Asik," via Sports illustrated Fan Sided.

Followed that link to a blog from Dec 27th: http://www.chatsports.com/houston-rockets/a/NBA-Trade-Rumors-ThreeTeam-Trade-Involving-Omer-AsikJeremy-LinLuol-Deng-Being-Explored-2-9049547

The gentleman that wrote that is Michael Ma. Michael Ma is the lead editor of spacecityscoop.com, as well as columnist for rocketssocial.com, and an NBA contributor for Yahoo! A native of the Dallas/Fort Worth area, Michael became a basketball writer for Fansided in 2012. You can follow him on twitter @RealMichaelMa.

He mentions Fox Sports yet no one ever links to any hard evidence.

Oh well it was good hope while it lasted. If anyone finds any fox sport evidence please post it. Thanks in advance.