BudBall Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 (edited) Horford will be stuck at Center forever. lets just focus on signing Lance Stevenson or getting quality SF. Edited March 26, 2014 by ISO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnybravo4 Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 We have to move heaven and earth to get Melo here or we are destined to be an also ran forever. We could get back a healthy Horford with the current team and win 55 games and no one would care. We need a star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazer Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 If that is our starting lineup moving forward, then whether or not Sap can play the three is the least of our concerns. Tell us what your concerns would be. Are you concerned about both starting forwards being all stars? Or having the best 3-point sniper in the league starting at the 2? Or is your concern a 17/7 top 10 point guard? Might it be those 2 16+PER 7-footers who both nearly average a double/double? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Tell us what your concerns would be. Are you concerned about both starting forwards being all stars? Or having the best 3-point sniper in the league starting at the 2? Or is your concern a 17/7 top 10 point guard? Might it be those 2 16+PER 7-footers who both nearly average a double/double? Haha did you really call Teague a top 10 PG? ?? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazer Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 In the East, in the East. Thanks for catching that, Dolf ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 In the East, in the East. Thanks for catching that, Dolf That's true he's clearly top 15 in the East :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators PSSSHHHRRR87 Posted March 26, 2014 Author Moderators Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Why not go after Hawes AND Stephenson... C - Hawes PF - Horford SF - Millsap SG - Stephenson PG - Teague 6th - KK 7th - Schröder 8th - DMC 9th - Scott 10th - Backup center *(draft or trade) 11th - Pero 12th - Muscala 13th - Mack I don't like pole-bean centers and I don't believe Bebe will ever be a quality center for us. The dude is already having knee problems. Give me Nurkic or Hammons in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazer Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 You da funny man, Dolf. I'd seriously put Teague around 7th or 8th in the East. Being less-than-stoked about our 17/7 17PER PG is a nice problem to have... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTB Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 In reference to my thread comparing us to the Pacers, this IS an easy way of killing three birds with one stone. Not only do we get our young center, but we also fix our starting SF AND strengthen our bench by moving DMC to the bench. And all it'll cost us is about $8-10 mil for Hawes (or whoever we get). Just gotta get our starting SG fixed with a more well-rounded player than KK, move KK to the bench, and we will be a scary team in the East. C - Hawes or whoever PF - Horford SF - Millsap SG - Young, athletic scorer (15 ppg) PG - Teague 6th - KK 7th - Schröder 8th - DMC 9th - Scott 10th - Backup center *(draft or trade) 11th - The token swiss-army knife & "leader of the locker room" (Pero or Brand) 12th - Third center (Muscala?) 13th - Third PG... alright, maybe Mack * Draft WCS or Nurkic (<-- Unsung hero of the draft) or trade Lou and Jenkins for backup center & 2nd round pick Seriously post of the year right here! I love this! I don't understand hawk fans that don't want something like this to happen...realize that we have nothing to lose by doing this and the good outweighs the bad by far. A lineup of sap, horford, true center will cause problems for most teams defensively...that is a huge lineup for us in the front court if I were ferry this is a no brainier move...it makes everybody better in particular sap, horford, Teague. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudBall Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 No way we would have enough for money for Hawes and Lance, unless DF pulls off some salary dumping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazer Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Sap starting at SF tonight :) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators PSSSHHHRRR87 Posted March 27, 2014 Author Moderators Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 Sap starting at SF tonight Ferry and Bud got me paranoid. lol Oh, to the Hawks organization... I am looking for a job and would love an opportunity. lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Jody23 Posted March 27, 2014 Premium Member Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 (edited) If anyone is watching Heat vs Pacers, Lance Stephenson ain't a guy you want to pay big money. He can't control his emotions, does silly things on the floor and is NO WHERE near as good as he thinks he is. Edited March 27, 2014 by Jody23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators PSSSHHHRRR87 Posted March 27, 2014 Author Moderators Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 If anyone is watching Heat vs Pacers, Lance Stephenson ain't a guy you want to pay big money. He can't control his emotions, does silly things on the floor and is NO WHERE near as good as he thinks he is. I'd personally rather pay Evan Turner. 3 yrs @ $8.0 mil per. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted March 27, 2014 Moderators Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 I'd personally rather pay Evan Turner. 3 yrs @ $8.0 mil per. At SG with Indiana where the defense ignores him, his offensive rating is a brutal 87.6, he has a 6.6 PER which is putrid and he is a net -30 on one of the best teams in the league. At SF, his defensive rating is a brutal 104.5 and he is a net -12 on a studly team. Overall the Pacers outscore their opponents by 8.4 points per 100 possessions when he is off the court and are outscored by 5.1 points per 100 possessions when he is on the court. He makes the offense worse but where he really just destroys the team is with his inept defense. Their D gives up 98.4 ppg without him and 109.9 points with him. Let's sign him for $8M per season! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GameTime Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 At SG with Indiana where the defense ignores him, his offensive rating is a brutal 87.6, he has a 6.6 PER which is putrid and he is a net -30 on one of the best teams in the league. At SF, his defensive rating is a brutal 104.5 and he is a net -12 on a studly team. Overall the Pacers outscore their opponents by 8.4 points per 100 possessions when he is off the court and are outscored by 5.1 points per 100 possessions when he is on the court. He makes the offense worse but where he really just destroys the team is with his inept defense. Their D gives up 98.4 ppg without him and 109.9 points with him. Let's sign him for $8M per season! I got to give you credit for calling the Turner stat padding. You was not buying him playing so well in Philly, and he might be the sole reason we have a chance in a playoff series against them if he is given significant minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators PSSSHHHRRR87 Posted March 27, 2014 Author Moderators Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 Don't get me wrong; I like Stephenson. He is a work horse and a defensive juggernaut which fits our culture. I also think that he is a guy that the fans could get behind, although signing Stephenson is moving more towards the Pistons way and not the Indy way. I have no problem with that, but it does beg the question of can we rely on a collective effort for offense to win a title? Sure, we'll have a lock down defense with guys like Stephenson, Horford, Schröder, and DMC out there, but when we NEED a bucket or go into one of the Hawks' patented cold spells, who can be relied to keep us afloat? Korver? I will admit that Turner is wildly inefficient and goes into deep, deep slumps, but there really isn't another FA 2 guard out there that can score besides the untouchable D-Wade. C - Hawes PF - Horford SF - Millsap SG - Stephenson PG - Teague is a nasty lineup. Makes Teague a better defender and opens up the lane for him. Millsap would be taking even more threes, but at least he makes them. Horford is the happiest of the bunch and Hawes gets janitor duty under the goal. Pieces that fit the puzzle, but we'd likely have to trade Lou and Jenkins to get them off of the books. Both ends would be a collective effort and a single injury to a key guy could spell dooms day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Jody23 Posted March 27, 2014 Premium Member Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 Don't get me wrong; I like Stephenson. He is a work horse and a defensive juggernaut which fits our culture. I also think that he is a guy that the fans could get behind, although signing Stephenson is moving more towards the Pistons way and not the Indy way. I have no problem with that, but it does beg the question of can we rely on a collective effort for offense to win a title? Sure, we'll have a lock down defense with guys like Stephenson, Horford, Schröder, and DMC out there, but when we NEED a bucket or go into one of the Hawks' patented cold spells, who can be relied to keep us afloat? Korver? I will admit that Turner is wildly inefficient and goes into deep, deep slumps, but there really isn't another FA 2 guard out there that can score besides the untouchable D-Wade. C - Hawes PF - Horford SF - Millsap SG - Stephenson PG - Teague is a nasty lineup. Makes Teague a better defender and opens up the lane for him. Millsap would be taking even more threes, but at least he makes them. Horford is the happiest of the bunch and Hawes gets janitor duty under the goal. Pieces that fit the puzzle, but we'd likely have to trade Lou and Jenkins to get them off of the books. Both ends would be a collective effort and a single injury to a key guy could spell dooms day. That lineup is good, but not a title contender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruckus Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 Tell us what your concerns would be. Are you concerned about both starting forwards being all stars? Or having the best 3-point sniper in the league starting at the 2? Or is your concern a 17/7 top 10 point guard? Might it be those 2 16+PER 7-footers who both nearly average a double/double? So adding Spencer Hawes is the secret weapon we have all been waiting for? Going to transform us into an instant contender? I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators PSSSHHHRRR87 Posted March 27, 2014 Author Moderators Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 So adding Spencer Hawes is the secret weapon we have all been waiting for? Going to transform us into an instant contender? I see. Absolutely, we would definitely be ECF contenders off the bat. Maybe not a bonafide title contender, but to get a big body to give us rebounds, a post game, a defensive anchor, and keep legit centers off of our All-Star forwards is crucial. The Hawks are 22nd in team defense and are perennial bottom feeders when it comes to total rebounds. All of the top teams rebound the ball well and a rebound means one of two things: Ending your opponent's possession or extending your own; both favorable outcomes. I will say this... We have ZERO chance at getting out of the second round barring LBJ coming here with Horford at 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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