Wojo: Deng Strong Candidate for Hawks

[Duff_Man]

Except they've had hot trash at GM who've had them in horrible position. When's the last time the Knicks had crazy amounts of cap space?

Who was their last big FA signing?

[vdunkndunk]

People will complain whatever DF does.

 

They complained when Korver was signed (6M? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaa? OVERPAID).

They complained when Teague was matched (8M? HOLY F! OVERPAID)

They complained when Smith was shown the door (AWWWWWW... He's gone for nothing! Fire LD DF!)

They complained when Millsap was signed (9.5M per? I'd only have paid 7. OVERPAID BUM!)

 

Smh... you infidels.

 

then people say "I love Horford, but I'd trade him if the team would get better", but then they cry "the sky is falling" when friggin LOU WILLIAMS and a project big who no one even knows he'll ever play in the NBA get traded for cap space...

 

You serious?

 

LOL, I love this board. We're all armchair GMs here... And won't let the actual one do his job without complaining.

 

As a geologist, I know if some guy shows a tiny piece of rock to 50 geologists, he's probably get 49 different stories about that rock. Any move DF makes, we'll all have different opinions about it.

 

But at the end of the day, it is what it is...

 

I hated the JJ trade, and nowadays I understand I was wrong. I loved the LW trade, and this time I'm hoping I'm right.

 

I agree with this as well.  Mostly, it's surprising to me that Bebe and Lou Williams were apparently the key to getting us off the treadmill and winning NBA championships.  Personally, I like the idea of opening up $15 million in cap space while still keeping Teague, Korver, Carroll, Millsap, and Horford on the roster.  It remains to be seen what will come of the cap space, of course, but you can't be a major player in free agency without it.  Deng isn't necessarily the most exciting option, but I'm willing to let this play out and see what happens.

[coachx]

 

 

As a geologist, I know if some guy shows a tiny piece of rock to 50 geologists, he's probably get 49 different stories about that rock. Any move DF makes, we'll all have different opinions about it.

 

But at the end of the day, it is what it is...

Ya........carbon dating is a crock of horse manure.

 

I love how they call it "science" when there is little fact to carbon dating and basically boils down to opinions.

[Vol4ever]

     yea if were going to overpay Deng might as well over pay a BETTER play and a YOUNGER play in Chandler Parsons and sign him 4-5 year deal to let him get better in Buds system

 

 

Parsons is a good idea, but there are several teams that want him and Houston is going to match any offer, so he's is not really available.  Bron and Melo are not going to Houston, they can forget that.  Bron going back to Miami and Melo will go to Dallas or Chicago.  A lot of folks think that Melo is going back to NY but I get the feeling that Phil is not all that enamored with Melo.  

 

If Danny can get the money right Id say that Luol Deng will be a Hawk.

[Vol4ever]

Braves have the same problems they had during the cox era and pretty much haven't done anything to improve/evolve the franchise.

The falcons have stuck with the same coach who has squandered potential Super Bowl contending teams threw or four times

See everything sucks

Except auburn war eagle

 

The Braves issue is the manager and GM.  Freddie is not a major league coach and that cf that we would not sign for 10 mil is playing really well as usual and the cf that occupies that position now has gone completely dan uggla.

[PSSSHHHRRR87]

So again we're looking at best a 2nd round team. This team literally hasn't changed in a decade and that's not a good thing. We have terrible expectations for our favorite basketball franchise. At least when we were in the lottery we had actual hope for landing a star. Now the franchise gives us false hope with "flexibility" that leads to nothing but the same old playoffs appearances that end badly.

A lineup of Horford, Sap, Deng, (insert SG), Teague w/ Mack, DMC, KK, Scott, Payne, Scroder, and Pero is very capable of getting to the CF in the East. If we sign Stephenson, Granger, or Hayward to be that 2 guard, we'd be a great team. A tough team.

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[Admin]

Who was their last big FA signing?

Amare? When's the last time they had max cap space?

[MaceCase]

Let's see, Deng to the Hawks = 2nd rnd ceiling = Ferry staying employed and fooling everyone into thinking he had a plan.  Meh, seems about right.

Ferry is signed for 4 more years, tell me when the ASG has ever fired anyone under contract.  I sincerely doubt he's worried about his employment.but hey, much like you predicted the trade you also predict the impetus behind it.

[ag82]

I don't hate a move for Deng. Not ideal, but it makes us a better team.

We looked good in the playoffs.. Add a legit 2 way wing player, a healthy Al, and one other piece (which has to be part of the plan), and we atleast have a roster capable of the ECF IMO.

[AHF]

Deng is a good player on the right contract but a mistake on the wrong contract.  The interesting thing is that I don't think we needed to clear cap space to sign Deng so the clearing of cap space signals something more to me.  Wouldn't surprise me to see us throwing our hat into the Love discussion.  

 

We'll have to see.

[vdunkndunk]

I'm thinking Deng isn't plan A, but he might be among the more obtainable options. (Maybe we see if we can make anything happen with Carmello or Love, explore potential restricted free agents, then move to Deng?)  Or maybe we'll do like we did with Millsap and target Deng, show up on his doorstep at 12:01 a.m., and make him feel like our top priority.  I have no clue, but if we can get Deng for a reasonable deal I wouldn't mind - same goes for a few of the other wings out there on the market.  Adding Horford and a legit starting SF to our roster makes us pretty competitive in my opinion (hopefully good enough to beat Indiana, for instance), especially if Payne also turns out to be a quality player.

[Duff_Man]

Amare? When's the last time they had max cap space?

 

Not sure anyone looked at that deal and thought "Wow" other than the amount of cash spent on a guy with bad knees.

[AHF]

Not sure anyone looked at that deal and thought "Wow" other than the amount of cash spent on a guy with bad knees.

 

That deals shows two things:  (1) the Knicks were a desirable location because Amare had his choice of a number of places to land and (2) that was just one of many, many mistakes made but that version of Knicks management.

[High5]

If Deng (or Parsons) is the best player we're going to sign with our cap space, Ferry needs to find a good second player as well. Otherwise it will be a disappointing offseason. That said, I think we would absolutely compete for the conference finals with Deng and some luck in the health department. 

[Admin]

Not sure anyone looked at that deal and thought "Wow" other than the amount of cash spent on a guy with bad knees.

 

Really? Amare was a very desirable player! He put up 25 and 9 with 2 blocks his 1st year in NY and 23 and 9 his last year in Phoenix.

[MaceCase]

Lol, good point.  I still don't think Ferry is some genius of GM-idery.  The trade coming out of left-field doesn't somehow enhance it.  What makes you so confident in him?  Just curious.

Well as AHF has pointed out right below your post, he didn't need to facilitate this trade in order to be able to sign Deng so why is it that you can say with so much faith that said trade was executed in order to be able to sign a player of Deng's caliber?

 

That's not me being hopeful, that's me being logical.  I guess the number one reason why I'm neutral on Ferry rather than assuming all his moves are going to work or going to suck is that I don't have my own personal idea in mind that I feel he's either living up to or not living up to.  I mean I do but I guess I don't get near as mopey when I don't see a player I wanted drafted or signed or traded off etc. etc. 

 

I look at the facts, I look at the myriad of factors present both internally and externally of the franchise and I look at the goals that can be achieved.  I leave my personal desires out of it thus why I can argue on either side of the tank v. not-tank fence or why throwing richer contracts at Jefferson and Ellis level free agents isn't a requirement at all to maintain a mediocre squadron.

 

Where I get snarky is when I see knee-jerk reactions or full on psychically gleamed posts on Ferry that ignore the facts around his moves and seem like nothing more than personal bias.  Could the team end up with Deng at the end of the summer?  That's very possible.  Is that the absolute goal that can be determined from moves that are unnecessary towards achieving that goal?  Absolutely not.

[Admin]

Where I get snarky is when I see knee-jerk reactions or full on psychically gleamed posts on Ferry that ignore the facts around his moves and seem like nothing more than personal bias.  Could the team end up with Deng at the end of the summer?  That's very possible.  Is that the absolute goal that can be determined from moves that are unnecessary towards achieving that goal?  Absolutely not.

 

Welcome to the Internet and Hawksquawk.  If we took away knee-jerk reactions and physically gleamed posts this place would be dull and boring and dead long ago. 

[MaceCase]

Really? Amare was a very desirable player! He put up 25 and 9 with 2 blocks his 1st year in NY and 23 and 9 his last year in Phoenix.

He still had bad knees though.  His contract was uninsured from the get go and only NY offered him that much guaranteed money thus why he went there.  The allure of the NY market is greatly overrated, look at the Nets too who played in the same market and were already set to move deeper into it in a little over a year.  They came away with Travis Outlaw, Anthony Morrow, Jordan Farmar and a resigned Humphries as their prized acquisitions that same summer.

[Duff_Man]

Really? Amare was a very desirable player! He put up 25 and 9 with 2 blocks his 1st year in NY and 23 and 9 his last year in Phoenix.

 

Had one good season, sure, but it's not like they were a threat to go to the Finals. 

 

But back to my original point, if NYK was such an awesome destination, the Knicks would have been the Yankees of basketball. Instead they are more like the Orioles of basketball. A good season here or there, but pretty much an afterthought. Seems to me like players always mention them because you have to so they feel better about themselves.

[Admin]

He still had bad knees though.  His contract was uninsured from the get go and only NY offered him that much guaranteed money thus why he went there.  The allure of the NY market is greatly overrated, look at the Nets too who played in the same market and were already set to move deeper into it in a little over a year.  They came away with Travis Outlaw, Anthony Morrow, Jordan Farmar and a resigned Humphries as their prized acquisitions that same summer.

 

Doesn't matter that he had bad knees.  The point was that he was a very desirable player who chose NY as his destination, refuting the point that no marquee FA's wanted to play there.