Admin Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 No argument here. I have made the case before on this site that Babcock was the worst drafter in NBA history. Yep I know and completely agree. I don't think there's ever been a GM who's drafted that poorly who's been able to stay in his job for that long in any sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 I can still remember the dazed n confused look on Babcock's face during the lottery...he just looked clueless, kinda funny and gut wrenching all at once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 I can still remember the dazed n confused look on Babcock's face during the lottery...he just looked clueless, kinda funny and gut wrenching all at once. If he would have even been average at drafting we might have seen a championship during the Deke / Mookie / Smitty years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Sothron Posted November 19, 2014 Premium Member Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 It was not often Pete had a decent draft pick. You guys act like he had a top five pick for ten years and did nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afro Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 We went out and improved our perimeter defense but none of that will matter if teams continue to get second shots at the rim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Al looked weak as hell tonight. Sap is small as hell. Until Al is healthy, it's hard to say how he is but they stink together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted November 19, 2014 Moderators Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 (edited) It was not often Pete had a decent draft pick. You guys act like he had a top five pick for ten years and did nothing. The list of players he passed on includes: Pau Gasol (multiple All-Star; traded no non-Atlanta- All-Star) Tony Parker (multiple All-Star; final MVP) Amare Stoudemire (multiple All-Star; available for pick dealt for Lo Wright. Quentin Richardson is the player LAC got with the 2nd pick.) Toni Kukoc Terrell Brandon (multiple All-Star) Dale Davis (All-Star) Sam Cassell (All-Star) Nick Van Exel (All-Star) Michael Finley (multiple All-Star) Theo Ratliff (All-Star; ultimately gave up Deke to get him) Rashard Lewis (multiple All-Star) Manu Ginobili (multiple All-Star) Jamaal Magloire (All-Star) Andrei Kirilenko (All-Star) Michael Redd (All-Star) Gilbert Arenas (multiple All-Star) Zach Randolph (multiple All-Star) Joe Johnson (multiple All-Star) Check this out if you have the stomach to avoid nausea: 2002 NBA2 36 David Andersen 2001 NBA 1 3 Pau Gasol (hey a really good pick! Oh, it was made by Billy Knight for Memphis.)2001 NBA 2 33 Terence Morris2000 NBA 1 6 DerMarr Johnson2000 NBA 2 40 Hanno Mottola2000 NBA 2 57 Scoonie Penn1999 NBA 1 10 Jason Terry1999 NBA 1 17 Cal Bowdler1999 NBA 1 20 Dion Glover1999 NBA 1 27 Jumaine Jones1998 NBA 1 20 Roshown McLeod1998 NBA 2 49 Cory Carr1997 NBA 1 22 Ed Gray1997 NBA 2 49 Alain Digbeu1997 NBA 2 50 Chris Crawford1996 NBA 1 28 Priest Lauderdale1995 NBA 1 16 Alan Henderson1995 NBA 2 42 Donnie Boyce1995 NBA 2 45 Troy Brown1995 NBA 2 57 Cuonzo Martin1994 NBA 2 34 Gaylon Nickerson1993 NBA 1 15 Doug Edwards1993 NBA 2 40 Rich Manning1992 NBA 1 10 Adam Keefe1992 NBA 2 38 Elmer Bennett1991 NBA 1 9 Stacey Augmon1991 NBA 1 15 Anthony Avent1991 NBA 2 30 Rodney Monroe1990 NBA 1 10 Rumeal Robinson1990 NBA 2 36 Trevor Wilson1990 NBA 2 41 Steve Bardo Edited November 19, 2014 by AHF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted November 19, 2014 Moderators Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 (edited) What Babcock did pretty well was make trades and target free agents. Deke and Robinson for Mookie, trading for Smitty, Long, Laettner, etc. makes up for a lot of terrible, terrible drafting -- especially when you have the luxury of inheriting a very talented team. Edited November 19, 2014 by AHF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Sothron Posted November 19, 2014 Premium Member Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 He only had two picks inside the top ten. And one of them was a great pick he just traded him. The other was Augmon. You can't judge Pete for all the guys he missed on when several other teams also missed on those same players. My point still stands: you can't act like we had top five picks for ten years and all we got was busts. That simply is not the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Gilbert Arenas, guns on deck-Derulo I bring all my guns to work ..Gilbert Arenas-2Chainz He was a second round pick that many teams passed on...but Babcock missed a lot more for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejay Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 I'll blame Babs for missing those players, Soth. Those other teams you mentioned have banners hanging up in their arenas; we don't. Those other teams play well into June; we don't. Those other teams make up for those missed picks by scoring big in other drafts; we rarely, if ever, do. Our front office is the sole reason why Nique had to hoist up 748 shots a game to stay within spitting distance of the Celtics, Bulls, and Pistons. They're the sole reason why we spent nearly a decade out of the playoffs. They're the reason why we have had to count on the likes of Tyrone Corbin and Demarre Carroll to put up numbers at small forward instead of far more competent guys like Michael Finley, Andre Iguodala, and Luol Deng. And the CP3/Deron Williams fiasco goes without saying. That's where this franchise falls short; way short... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted November 19, 2014 Moderators Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 So Babcock somehow gets a pass on epic futility because he only had 6 lottery picks to work with? Ummmm no. He also doesn't get credit for Gasol since he didn't actually draft him. Knight gets credit for Gasol and Babcock gets credit for trading Gasol for Shareef. Babcock was an epically bad drafter. It is touch to win a ring without snagging some guys in the middle or later parts of the draft and year after year of Dion Glover, Roshown McLeod, Ed Gray, etc. doesn't cut it. Teams that rely on teamwork rather than Lebon / Kobe hero ball need those picks to pan out. The Spurs have a had a lot of key rotation guys drafted in that range or later like Parker, Ginobili, Splitter, Hill, etc.The Pistons wouldn't have won without Tayshaun Prince. Etc. Babcock was a historically bad, unmitigated disaster as a drafter and while he wasn't drafting #1 overall every year he had PLENTY of opportunity to prove otherwise and just repeatedly busted. It is what ultimately kept his teams from reaching the next level despite some very good trades (pre-Rider). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 It was not often Pete had a decent draft pick. You guys act like he had a top five pick for ten years and did nothing. Wow a Pete apologist?? Ferry hasn't even had a lottery pick and he's already had more success than Babs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Sothron Posted November 19, 2014 Premium Member Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Wow a Pete apologist?? Ferry hasn't even had a lottery pick and he's already had more success than Babs.Pete's the best GM hands down the Hawks ever had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Pete's the best GM hands down the Hawks ever had. I'll give you that. If you'll admit that the ASG are the best owners the Hawks have ever had. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Sothron Posted November 19, 2014 Premium Member Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 I'll give you that. If you'll admit that the ASG are the best owners the Hawks have ever had.There's no emoticon in the world to convey my feelings to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 There's no emoticon in the world to convey my feelings to that. Exactly how most of us feel about Babcock's drafting. As a person he's a good dude and as AHF said earlier he was terrific with trades and free agents. But he's the worst GM in all of sports history when it came to drafting. I would guarantee you that a basic mock draft would have had more success than Babs had drafting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Exactly how most of us feel about Babcock's drafting. As a person he's a good dude and as AHF said earlier he was terrific with trades and free agents. But he's the worst GM in all of sports history when it came to drafting. I would guarantee you that a basic mock draft would have had more success than Babs had drafting. Or a squawk fantasy drafter....wait...ok some squawk drafters...:-/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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