HawkItus Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 I see trade Al. Let Al walk. My question is who fills that black hole at center when he is gone? Lest you forget we struggled to fill the middle until Horf got here. We need a guy who can play both ways, shoot, pass, and run the floor proficiently. Where is the unicorn the rest of the league is not going to overpay that will welcome a trip to Atlanta? Even at a cheaper rate a FA acquisition is going to be more costly at center because we can go over the cap to sign them. I just don't see the reality of moving him without blowing the whole thing up and playing the lottery. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 If he walks, and from what I see, there's actually a higher percentage than you may think of a possibility of him doing so, it means a teardown and rebuild. The rumor is he wants the full max and the Hawks are iffy on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkItus Posted February 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 1 minute ago, Lurker said: If he walks, and from what I see, there's actually a higher percentage than you may think of a possibility of him doing so, it means a teardown and rebuild. The rumor is he wants the full max and the Hawks are iffy on that. That is losing a push hand at poker. If all that keeps him from walking is the max and other teams are willing to pay the max to get him. Then you keep him and trade him when it behooves you. I never understood why fans are so quick to save a billionaire money on a product you will pay the same price to see, win or lose. Sign Al. Don't let him walk for nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Anyone else heard that Al's wife wants to stay in Atlanta? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Jody23 Posted February 4, 2016 Premium Member Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 12 minutes ago, HawkItus said: That is losing a push hand at poker. If all that keeps him from walking is the max and other teams are willing to pay the max to get him. Then you keep him and trade him when it behooves you. I never understood why fans are so quick to save a billionaire money on a product you will pay the same price to see, win or lose. Sign Al. Don't let him walk for nothing. Just sign him to a five year max and trade him when it behooves you? It's not that easy. I get that Al holds a sentimental place in alot of Hawks' fans hearts, but forking over a full max is not going to be an easy decision to make. And if they do and regret it later, moving that contract won't be that easy especially if his game declines further. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Hawks moved Joe's contract which was considered the worst contract ever, I think moving Al's won't be a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hylndr11 Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Yea hes not going anywhere without a damn haul ppl - I was looking at a few articles out last month ranking nba s top players Al was in top 4 centers in both of them. Just saying hes a unique player - and is a commodity on the open market. Wildly held as the 3rd or 4th best free agent coming out and then a steep drop after that, we dont really have much of a choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 I forget who said this (I think it was @JayBirdHawk) but I'll go ahead and steal the idea, simply convince him he needs to take a short/max deal so he can take advantage of the next uptick in the CBA (or whatever) before he gets too old. Short max and we'll be fine. See, problem solved. Now where do I sign up for some GM salary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurider05 Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 hassan whiteside or noel nerlens these deals will have to be a package. Al is leaving the writing is on the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Jody23 Posted February 4, 2016 Premium Member Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 9 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said: Hawks moved Joe's contract which was considered the worst contract ever, I think moving Al's won't be a problem. Not saying it can't be moved. But the Hawks caught a big time break with Billy King. Otherwise, Joe might very well still be a Hawk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member BrazilianHawk Posted February 4, 2016 Premium Member Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 well I for one fail to see this wall... And much less any writing on it. I think he stays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 The thought of another Joe Johnson deal has some people frozen in time. Like I stated previously, the situations are different. When Joe was signed the cap was a static number while Joe's salary increased every year. With Al's situation, the Cap increases by a wider margin than Al's annual increase at least from 2017. I would love for Al to take a shorter deal. If he doesn't, it ain my money!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 11 minutes ago, Jody23 said: Not saying it can't be moved. But the Hawks caught a big time break with Billy King. Otherwise, Joe might very well still be a Hawk. I think it was more of DF coming in and shaking things up (yes he had to find a taker). The ASG Gearons were content with Joe, DF wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkItus Posted February 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Just now, JayBirdHawk said: The thought of another Joe Johnson deal has some people frozen in time. Like I stated previously, the situations are different. When Joe was signed the cap was a static number while Joe's salary increased every year. With Al's situation, the Cap increases by a wider margin than Al's annual increase at least from 2017. Even so, Joe is a guard. Big men traditionally last longer and keep their value longer. KG, Shaq, Elton Brand, Tyson Chandler, Big Z, Deek. Especially guys who don't rely on athleticism. Al might shoot 3's in a second life until he is 40. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Jody23 Posted February 4, 2016 Premium Member Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 15 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said: I think it was more of DF coming in and shaking things up (yes he had to find a taker). The ASG Gearons were content with Joe, DF wasn't. That's true, but Brooklyn's willingness to take that contract was a vital part of the equation. To this day, try as they might, Brooklyn can't even give Joe Johnson's contract away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 1 hour ago, Jody23 said: That's true, but Brooklyn's willingness to take that contract was a vital part of the equation. To this day, try as they might, Brooklyn can't even give Joe Johnson's contract away. You only need one team to want the contract. Of course they can't give it away NOW. Last year of the deal and there aren't teams looking for a huge expiring to clear cap space for next season. I don't remember them actively trying to move his contract even after they bought out Deron until now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Most of these fans have no 2nd option to get at center. It is the fear of him walking or paying him what he deserves which scares our fans. They will mention names who will never sign here as FA's and then talk about well, well, what about rebuilding. Al is likely going to be here in two weeks. As is most of the roster. I would say all of it with the exception of a minor trade or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rd79 Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) He could demand a no trade clause, couldn't he? Them moving him would become complicated... Edited February 5, 2016 by rd79 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDog90 Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 10 hours ago, HawkItus said: I see trade Al. Let Al walk. My question is who fills that black hole at center when he is gone? Lest you forget we struggled to fill the middle until Horf got here. We need a guy who can play both ways, shoot, pass, and run the floor proficiently. Where is the unicorn the rest of the league is not going to overpay that will welcome a trip to Atlanta? Even at a cheaper rate a FA acquisition is going to be more costly at center because we can go over the cap to sign them. I just don't see the reality of moving him without blowing the whole thing up and playing the lottery. Splitter but I don't see him playing traditional starters minutes. He'd probably split time with his backup. I think Donatas Motiejunas would be a good look at C. Shooting 3s is actually apart of his skill set, he'd just have to learn the Hawks' system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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