How good can Dennis be?

[Wurider05]

I am just wondering how good do you guys think that Dennis can be? Can he be a top 5 point guard in this league?

[macdaddy]

I guess it depends on how you rate top 5.  Scoring?  Assists?  Defense?   I think he can be top 5,  but top 5 also depends on how many other good points there are.   I'd say he can definitely be an all star in this league.     And to be honest i didn't think that before this season.

[Guest]

Dennis is 22 and is in the 3rd year.

Fun Exercise.......Let's compare him to other PG's his age (and a couple years older?)  and where he would rank.

[Diesel]

42 minutes ago, Wurider05 said:

I am just wondering how good do you guys think that Dennis can be? Can he be a top 5 point guard in this league?

 

Reggie Jackson.

 

[NBASupes]

A superstar talent. I see him like I see Giannis 

10 minutes ago, Diesel said:

 

Reggie Jackson.

 

I see Dennis as a much better player. A much better player.

[Hawkmoor]

Rory Sparrow..........

 

Im just seeing if yall awake.............

 

 

Edited February 23, 2016 by Hawkmoor

[kurupt]

Okay, let's play this game and have a little fun :) Dennis is averaging 19.1 points, 8 assists, 1.6 steals and 5 rebounds per 36 minutes at the moment. He is 22 years old and in his 3rd season.

Which players put up similar numbers (18+ points, 7+ assists, 1+ steal, 4+ rebounds per 36 minutes)  in any of their first 3 years while being 23 years or younger? 4 players in NBA history. HYPE! ;)

Russel Westbrook, Clyde Drexler, Rod Strickland and Dennis

If we lower the points per 36 minutes to 15 per game, the list is a little longer and Dennis has two qualifying season (this and last year).

Thats actually not bad company I would say.

[benhillboy]

I want him to study Conley and CP3.  He'll go as far as a consistent floater, short jumper, and open three ball will take him.  Develop all 3 and he's looking at a nice AS run in a couple years.  

He'll show considerable improvement off of natural strength increase alone.  He'll be able to handle himself better when guys like Lowry post him and will absorb more contact from Bigs when he drives instead of shying away.  He needs to get the fouls drawn up.  

He needs some harder screeners and more explosive roller, too.  I see Bud trying to get he and Al connected on alley-oops more often but that just ain't Al's game.   

The outlook of his development is defiantly the brightest spot for the franchise going forward.  Dudes still a baby and won't peak for another 6 years.  It's cool sitting back watching other teams salivate over him.  

A decent starting SG beside him wouldn't hurt.  He's now a player the Hawks can confidently build around.  I used to be very afraid for his health being so slight of build and always hitting the deck but he's proved to be built for the long haul.  15 pounds should fill him out well and he's already very flexible.  Already the superior defensive player, he can be good enough to make us forget all about Jeff that's for sure.  

[RWF]

Not saying he's as good as Westbrook, but his swagger and fearlessness reminds me of him.

[Watchman]

4 hours ago, Wurider05 said:

I am just wondering how good do you guys think that Dennis can be? Can he be a top 5 point guard in this league?

No,

[hazer]

Top 10 and regular all-star in a couple of years, possibly top 5 PG at his peak in 6 or 7 years. Shredder is the one guy Hawks GOTTA keep IMO. He was born with that speed, passing, and huevos. He can be taught how to shoot...

[JTB]

24 minutes ago, hazer said:

Top 10 and regular all-star in a couple of years, possibly top 5 PG at his peak in 6 or 7 years. Shredder is the one guy Hawks GOTTA keep IMO. He was born with that speed, passing, and huevos. He can be taught how to shoot...

And he's already an improved shooter. He's really trying to lock down that mid range shot and I think thats even more important than the 3 ball for Dennis to get better. Forget Rondo, I think he can be the next Tony Parker.

[Guest]

No doubt about it....perennial all star and a top 5 pg no doubt in my mind.

[Alex]

3 hours ago, hazer said:

Top 10 and regular all-star in a couple of years, possibly top 5 PG at his peak in 6 or 7 years. Shredder is the one guy Hawks GOTTA keep IMO. He was born with that speed, passing, and huevos. He can be taught how to shoot...

And was born with an innate ability to make some stupid decisions on a basketball court.

[Diesel]

13 hours ago, NBASupes said:

A superstar talent. I see him like I see Giannis 

I see Dennis as a much better player. A much better player.

Dennis is a BU who teams have just started to prepare for.  I do believe that Dennis is skilled but I don't think he's the next coming of Jason Kidd.   He's more like Reggie Jackson.  A skilled shoot first PG.

 

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Rk            Player  Season Age  G GS   MP  FG  FGA  FG%  3P 3PA  3P%  2P  2PA  2P%  FT FTA  FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
1     Reggie Jackson 2015-16  25 56 56 1737 8.4 18.8 .445 1.8 4.8 .381 6.5 14.0 .467 4.0 4.7 .838 0.9 3.0 3.9 7.1 0.9 0.1 3.1 2.5 22.5
2    Dennis Schroder 2015-16  22 56  6 1177 7.2 16.9 .426 1.9 5.4 .343 5.4 11.5 .465 2.8 3.6 .795 0.7 4.3 5.0 8.0 1.6 0.2 3.7 2.9 19.1
</PRE>

 

[jrok23]

Dennis is better than Teague and coach bud needs to realize this and shake things up in the line up. 

Edited February 24, 2016 by jrok23

[NBASupes]

2 hours ago, Diesel said:

Dennis is a BU who teams have just started to prepare for.  I do believe that Dennis is skilled but I don't think he's the next coming of Jason Kidd.   He's more like Reggie Jackson.  A skilled shoot first PG.

 

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Rk            Player  Season Age  G GS   MP  FG  FGA  FG%  3P 3PA  3P%  2P  2PA  2P%  FT FTA  FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
1     Reggie Jackson 2015-16  25 56 56 1737 8.4 18.8 .445 1.8 4.8 .381 6.5 14.0 .467 4.0 4.7 .838 0.9 3.0 3.9 7.1 0.9 0.1 3.1 2.5 22.5
2    Dennis Schroder 2015-16  22 56  6 1177 7.2 16.9 .426 1.9 5.4 .343 5.4 11.5 .465 2.8 3.6 .795 0.7 4.3 5.0 8.0 1.6 0.2 3.7 2.9 19.1
</PRE>

 

He's not the 2nd coming of Kidd but he is still a much better talent than Jackson. Dennis can be special on offense and defense. Consistency is what he's going to have to work on. That and decision making.

Edited February 24, 2016 by NBASupes

[Lurker]

2 hours ago, Diesel said:

Dennis is a BU who teams have just started to prepare for.  I do believe that Dennis is skilled but I don't think he's the next coming of Jason Kidd.   He's more like Reggie Jackson.  A skilled shoot first PG.

 

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Rk            Player  Season Age  G GS   MP  FG  FGA  FG%  3P 3PA  3P%  2P  2PA  2P%  FT FTA  FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
1     Reggie Jackson 2015-16  25 56 56 1737 8.4 18.8 .445 1.8 4.8 .381 6.5 14.0 .467 4.0 4.7 .838 0.9 3.0 3.9 7.1 0.9 0.1 3.1 2.5 22.5
2    Dennis Schroder 2015-16  22 56  6 1177 7.2 16.9 .426 1.9 5.4 .343 5.4 11.5 .465 2.8 3.6 .795 0.7 4.3 5.0 8.0 1.6 0.2 3.7 2.9 19.1
</PRE>

 

Ah yes, yes, because a guy that is posting a 37.2% AST ratio is purely a shoot first PG. And that's also +17.9% on Reggie at the same age, and +14% on the first year he got a ton of playing time.

 

[Lurker]

2 hours ago, Diesel said:

Dennis is a BU who teams have just started to prepare for.  I do believe that Dennis is skilled but I don't think he's the next coming of Jason Kidd.   He's more like Reggie Jackson.  A skilled shoot first PG.

 

<PRE>                                                                                                                                      
Rk            Player  Season Age  G GS   MP  FG  FGA  FG%  3P 3PA  3P%  2P  2PA  2P%  FT FTA  FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
1     Reggie Jackson 2015-16  25 56 56 1737 8.4 18.8 .445 1.8 4.8 .381 6.5 14.0 .467 4.0 4.7 .838 0.9 3.0 3.9 7.1 0.9 0.1 3.1 2.5 22.5
2    Dennis Schroder 2015-16  22 56  6 1177 7.2 16.9 .426 1.9 5.4 .343 5.4 11.5 .465 2.8 3.6 .795 0.7 4.3 5.0 8.0 1.6 0.2 3.7 2.9 19.1
</PRE>

 

Your golden boy Jeff Teague is struggling to run the pnr lately compared to Dennis Schröder. It's the reason why a lot of offense with Teague out there ends up in ISO.

[quero]

He's not a shoot-first pg.

His biggest ability besides his speed and getting in the paint is his court-vision and passing ability. Those baby-rondo comparisons didn't came up for nothing.
He is consistently breaking down defenses and if there would be a stat for hockey-assists, he would shine there.

On topic, I could imagine he will be a top5-pg in 2 or 3 seasons, since he can play more minutes. TO's and descision-making may hurt his case, but that's the same argument people had for westbrook some years ago.
What they have in common is that both have the spirit and drive to win big and to get better to do so. Right now he keeps improving from year to year and still playing low minutes.