Schro, DeRozan, Durant, Sap, and Noel?

[Diesel]

 

Cviv is breaking down the Hawks options towards getting 2 max free agents.

[Alex]

Not.  Gonna.  Happen.

[RWF]

We probably won't be able to lure DeRozan, let alone KD. If you are DeRozan, would you want full max with Toronto (who you also have chemistry with), go to LA (in your birth state) , or go to the Hawks?

Edited June 7, 2016 by RWF

[capstone21]

...honestly I am not a big DeRozan fan anyway ... I feel like he is a bit overrated and inefficient 

[JTB]

1 hour ago, Diesel said:

 

Cviv is breaking down the Hawks options towards getting 2 max free agents.

I get what Cviv is preaching but this isn't anything new and it's likely not to happen. I rather hear about more realistic options like trading Teague to the 76ers for Noel and Convington.

The only max player I feel the Hawks could get this summer is Howard. I think Howard would take a 3-4 mil pay cut to play on a team he likes assuming he likes the Hawks which I think he does now. Then we could resign Horford since we own his rights.

Dont feel like any other max player is a realistic option. But this is all my opinion of course. Hell this probably isn't good but I'm personally going to be grateful if max free agents even talk to bud...that will atleast show we are moving in the right direction and may be considered a favorite landing spot for top free agents in the near future.

[Twinblade]

Hawks only max player will be horford and hawks will just sign nobodies.

[Thomas]

1 hour ago, JTB said:

I get what Cviv is preaching but this isn't anything new and it's likely not to happen. I rather hear about more realistic options like trading Teague to the 76ers for Noel and Convington.

Yeah, whether just rumor or not Teague would really help Philly a lot so I can see them trading both those guys to us. Seems very realistic to me, certainly moreso than grabing two max players. . 

[Diesel]

2 hours ago, capstone21 said:

...honestly I am not a big DeRozan fan anyway ... I feel like he is a bit overrated and inefficient 

Yeah, I just put up the team that Cviv Promoted.  DeRozan is not our kind of player because he can't shoot.   More likely is the less sexy:  Durant + Lee  Durant + Baze or Durant + Fournier or Clarkson.  However, Durant is not a given either.

 

[Diesel]

39 minutes ago, Thomas said:

Yeah, whether just rumor or not Teague would really help Philly a lot so I can see them trading both those guys to us. Seems very realistic to me, certainly moreso than grabing two max players. . 

I have believe that that trade was Hype from the beginning because it uses 2 parts that people already knew.  Just something to drum up talk.    Honestly for us to really drum up interest in good players, we will probably be talking about Dennis being traded because of his contract.

 

[AHF]

34 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Yeah, I just put up the team that Cviv Promoted.  DeRozan is not our kind of player because he can't shoot.   More likely is the less sexy:  Durant + Lee  Durant + Baze or Durant + Fournier or Clarkson.  However, Durant is not a given either.

 

I'd be thrilled with any offseason starting with the name "Durant."  Give me Durant and Speedy Claxton and I'm pumped.

[BigDog90]

First time I've heard this but signing two guys to max contracts wouldn't fix the Hawks problems. If anything, just be like POR, get guys 27 and under and build a team.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, AHF said:

I'd be thrilled with any offseason starting with the name "Durant."  Give me Durant and Speedy Claxton and I'm pumped.

That's Craig ...speedy was so 2004...:-|

[Guest]

Can somebody post the article ...I can't open it...ajc is being difficult lol

[cam1218]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but we can somewhat easily sign Horford and a max player with moving some money around. I don't think we can easily sign two max players if we renounce the rights to Horf?

[Jody23]

Hawks have ability to sign Horford and another max player

BASKETBALL

By Chris Vivlamore - The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

The Hawks could sign Al Horford to a max dealand create enough salary-cap space to sign another player to a max deal.

Would you do that?

 

It’s possible in what could be a very interesting summer for the franchise.

 

The Hawks’ No. 1 priority is to bring back Horford, Kent Bazemore and possibly Kris Humphries as unrestricted free agents. They also will need to figure out their point guard situation — which means an almost assured trade of either Jeff Teague or Dennis Schröder.

Those are the likely scenarios. However, there is a chance the Hawks could shoot for the stars and line up Horford with another max player such as Oklahoma City forward Kevin Durant or Toronto guard DeMar DeRozan — likely the three players on the market who will get max deals.

Let’s look closer at the Hawks’ options.

• Unlike last season, when the Hawks had to choose between unrestricted free agents Paul Millsap and DeMarre Carroll, they are in a different salary-cap situation this summer. It makes sense that the priorities would be to bring back Horford and Bazemore and to try to create enough additional room for Humphries. They would bring back almost the entire team — again, minus one of the point guards — to compete in the Eastern Conference.

To me, the East will be wide open again. The Cavaliers could lose LeBron James. The Raptors are at least going to lose Bismack Biyombo and possibly DeRozan. The Bulls could lose Joakim Noah and Pau Gasol.

Who is the rising team in the East? It’s very unstable. With much the same team, the Hawks again will be one of the top teams in the conference. They lost 12 games to teams under .500 and all six overtime games last season. A little different result in those games, and the Hawks could be closer to the 60-win team of two seasons ago than the 48-win team of last season.

It makes sense for the Hawks to bring back only one of the point guards. That would make sense for Teague, Schröder and the Hawks. Because it makes sense for all three parties, this is something that likely will happen. I would point to the night of the NBA Draft on June 23, but it could certainly happen in July when the league’s free-agency picture becomes clearer — both for the Hawks and the many other teams with money to spend.

• When you look at salary-cap situation (and I have, but will spare you the mind-numbing details), the Hawks basically have room for Horford (with an $18.5 million cap hold) plus $20 million to spend this summer. That $20 million will be split between Bazemore, Humphries, a first-round pick (No. 21 overall), Mike Muscala and Lamar Patterson.

The salary cap is projected to be $92 million, but there are rumblings it could go to $94 million.

However, there might be a parallel strategy where the Hawks are only $5 million away from another max player. That is easily gained in a Teague trade and one or two other moves. That would net the space for a Durant, DeRozan or perhaps a player such as Nicolas Batum. If Horford elects to leave for another team, the Hawks could sign two max players this summer.

Hawks general manager Wes Wilcox has done an excellent job of being very protective of the future. It is clear management loves the current team, electing to keep it intact at last season’s trade deadline. They have all of their coming first-round picks plus one from the Timberwolves in a year to be determined. They have all their coming second-round picks plus four more from other teams. They could easily attach those picks to a contract and move a player, a very conceivable way to get a second max player.

As I have previously written and broken down the numbers, a maximum deal for Horford would be five years and about $150 million from the Hawks and four years and about $111 million from another team. Each deal would start at about $26 million for the 30-year-old.

There is a question in trading a player such as Teague. What is the priority for the return? The Hawks could look toward the future with draft picks. They could look at improving the team as it is currently constructed. They could opt for a young, developing player who can grow in the system.

• Finally, if you look at the summer of 2017, it could get even more interesting for the Hawks. They have no guaranteed money on the books after next season. Millsap has a player option, Schröder and Tim Hardaway Jr. are eligible for qualifying offers and there is a team option on Edy Tavares. All of that money would total about $21.5 million. That’s it.

The Hawks could start over with the ability to bring in three max players (which may include Horford). That is something to think about.

[Guest]

Thanks @Jody23

[macdaddy]

9 hours ago, Jody23 said:

Hawks have ability to sign Horford and another max player

BASKETBALL

By Chris Vivlamore - The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

The Hawks could sign Al Horford to a max dealand create enough salary-cap space to sign another player to a max deal.

Would you do that?

 

It’s possible in what could be a very interesting summer for the franchise.

 

The Hawks’ No. 1 priority is to bring back Horford, Kent Bazemore and possibly Kris Humphries as unrestricted free agents. They also will need to figure out their point guard situation — which means an almost assured trade of either Jeff Teague or Dennis Schröder.

Those are the likely scenarios. However, there is a chance the Hawks could shoot for the stars and line up Horford with another max player such as Oklahoma City forward Kevin Durant or Toronto guard DeMar DeRozan — likely the three players on the market who will get max deals.

Let’s look closer at the Hawks’ options.

• Unlike last season, when the Hawks had to choose between unrestricted free agents Paul Millsap and DeMarre Carroll, they are in a different salary-cap situation this summer. It makes sense that the priorities would be to bring back Horford and Bazemore and to try to create enough additional room for Humphries. They would bring back almost the entire team — again, minus one of the point guards — to compete in the Eastern Conference.

To me, the East will be wide open again. The Cavaliers could lose LeBron James. The Raptors are at least going to lose Bismack Biyombo and possibly DeRozan. The Bulls could lose Joakim Noah and Pau Gasol.

Who is the rising team in the East? It’s very unstable. With much the same team, the Hawks again will be one of the top teams in the conference. They lost 12 games to teams under .500 and all six overtime games last season. A little different result in those games, and the Hawks could be closer to the 60-win team of two seasons ago than the 48-win team of last season.

It makes sense for the Hawks to bring back only one of the point guards. That would make sense for Teague, Schröder and the Hawks. Because it makes sense for all three parties, this is something that likely will happen. I would point to the night of the NBA Draft on June 23, but it could certainly happen in July when the league’s free-agency picture becomes clearer — both for the Hawks and the many other teams with money to spend.

• When you look at salary-cap situation (and I have, but will spare you the mind-numbing details), the Hawks basically have room for Horford (with an $18.5 million cap hold) plus $20 million to spend this summer. That $20 million will be split between Bazemore, Humphries, a first-round pick (No. 21 overall), Mike Muscala and Lamar Patterson.

The salary cap is projected to be $92 million, but there are rumblings it could go to $94 million.

However, there might be a parallel strategy where the Hawks are only $5 million away from another max player. That is easily gained in a Teague trade and one or two other moves. That would net the space for a Durant, DeRozan or perhaps a player such as Nicolas Batum. If Horford elects to leave for another team, the Hawks could sign two max players this summer.

Hawks general manager Wes Wilcox has done an excellent job of being very protective of the future. It is clear management loves the current team, electing to keep it intact at last season’s trade deadline. They have all of their coming first-round picks plus one from the Timberwolves in a year to be determined. They have all their coming second-round picks plus four more from other teams. They could easily attach those picks to a contract and move a player, a very conceivable way to get a second max player.

As I have previously written and broken down the numbers, a maximum deal for Horford would be five years and about $150 million from the Hawks and four years and about $111 million from another team. Each deal would start at about $26 million for the 30-year-old.

There is a question in trading a player such as Teague. What is the priority for the return? The Hawks could look toward the future with draft picks. They could look at improving the team as it is currently constructed. They could opt for a young, developing player who can grow in the system.

• Finally, if you look at the summer of 2017, it could get even more interesting for the Hawks. They have no guaranteed money on the books after next season. Millsap has a player option, Schröder and Tim Hardaway Jr. are eligible for qualifying offers and there is a team option on Edy Tavares. All of that money would total about $21.5 million. That’s it.

The Hawks could start over with the ability to bring in three max players (which may include Horford). That is something to think about.

I hate to continue to criticize C-viv but this just isn't well written and contains very minimal information.     I honestly don't see how this gets past a proof read "As I have previously written and broken down the numbers"

"It makes sense for the Hawks to bring back only one of the point guards. That would make sense for Teague, Schröder and the Hawks. Because it makes sense for all three parties, this is something that likely will happen."

That sentence reads like a high school critical writing assignment.   

[macdaddy]

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Join us on Thursday, June 23 at 6:30 p.m. at Philips Arena for our 2016 Draft Party Driven By Kumho Tire.

Enjoy music, food and drinks plus hear from Tim Hardaway Jr., Coach Bud, Hawks CEO Steve Koonin and more!

Doors open at 6:30 p.m., Draft coverage begins at 7 p.m.

 

Draft Party Highlights:

• Delicious $5 draft beers
• Special appearances from Atlanta celebrities and the Budweiser promo team 
• An exclusively awesome 2016 Draft t-shirt and hat will be available for purchase  
• Plus, don’t miss out on Hawks Trivia for your chance to win sweet prizes!

 I think it's safe to say that Hardaway isn't getting traded.   At least not on draft night or that will be awkward.

[Thomas]

12 hours ago, cam1218 said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but we can somewhat easily sign Horford and a max player with moving some money around. I don't think we can easily sign two max players if we renounce the rights to Horf?

Al is considered a probable max player signing in most articles I've seen whether we can sign him for less because of the fifth year or not. His probable signing would be after a max signing of Durant, Batum, etc... 

[Guest]

Anyone going to the draft party? I'm thinking about flying in from Cali just cuz I think there will be plenty o action this year. Anyone?