Two things about this year's Hawks I am worried about

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3 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

No planned just for Teague and not for Schröder.   They planned for both of them.    Unfortunately for us it was the same plan.

Bingo! The Cavs used the exact same game plan from last year this year. If Jeff's jump shot was respected, teams wouldn't be going under on him.

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3 hours ago, macdaddy said:

No planned just for Teague and not for Schröder.   They planned for both of them.    Unfortunately for us it was the same plan.

So now with Teague gone, you don't think they will make that plan more specific?  As you recall, Dennis had really good games against Cleveland in the playoffs?  Why do you think that was??  Did you actually think it was because he was a great player... or maybe it was because their plan didn't account for the things that he could do that Teague wouldn't do.  The plan was general for Dennis but more specific for Teague.   In the regular season in three games, Teague dropped almost 3 3pters per start on the Cavs... and that was while shooting 45.5% from three.   Whereas Schröder was 1 of 7 from three. 

Here's what happens when the focus changes:

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On Sunday, the Cavs held the Hawks to 22 points and got two stops in the final minute, including Thompson's blocked shot against a driving Dennis Schröder, which likely impacted Schröder's final drive when he stopped to fake out Thompson before getting tied up by James. 

 

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Look guys, this non-sense that teams didn't gameplan for Schröder just because he was the backup is silly.  Dennis was arguably our 4th best player last year and easily our best "go get us a bucket" guy on the team next to maybe Sap if he was in a rhythm down low.

Teams may not have feared him but they certainly didn't fear Teague either, sorry its true. But Dennis' speed and ability to get all the way to the basket was on every coaches blackboard before the game just like Jamal Crawford, Andre Igodala, and any other 6th man would be. His impact on games wasn't due to teams not gameplanning for him. He has talent. We gameplanned for JR Smith and guess what, he still goes off. So Dennis going h.a.m against CLE doesn't mean they weren't prepared for him. He hit 5 three's in game 1 because the plan was to go underneath and Dennis made them pay. Now they have play up on him again and he drives right by.  See how this works?

Edited August 4, 2016 by RedDawg#8

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This passively throwing shade at Dennis because Teague got traded is just, as Luke Cage would say, straight up fiddle-faddle.

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25 minutes ago, Diesel said:

So now with Teague gone, you don't think they will make that plan more specific?  As you recall, Dennis had really good games against Cleveland in the playoffs?  Why do you think that was??  Did you actually think it was because he was a great player... or maybe it was because their plan didn't account for the things that he could do that Teague wouldn't do.  The plan was general for Dennis but more specific for Teague.   In the regular season in three games, Teague dropped almost 3 3pters per start on the Cavs... and that was while shooting 45.5% from three.   Whereas Schröder was 1 of 7 from three. 

Here's what happens when the focus changes:

 

Nothing you are saying makes any sense.   You contend that teams didn't plan for Dennis at all so he enjoyed great success because apparently they had never seen him play despite 200+ nba games under his belt.   And then this nugget:

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or maybe it was because their plan didn't account for the things that he could do that Teague wouldn't do

Like what?   I thought their wasn't anything Dennis could do better than Teague?

Dennis had really good games partly because they were going under on both Teague and Dennis and didn't respect either's 3 point shot.    But Dennis got hot and made them pay.   That was Lue's whole point.   They planned for the 30% 3 point shooting Dennis (much worse in round 1) and they were willing to live with him knocking them down.   So they absolutely knew his game and planned for it.   That is an undeniable fact, and as others pointed out it's silly to think an nba team wouldn't gameplan for all the oppositions usual weapons.   

So what exactly is your point?  Is it:

1. Dennis will suck as a starter because he's not as good as Teague?

2. Dennis will suck because being a backup is easy and being a starter is like going from high school to the pros overnight?

3. Teams had never seen Dennis before so didn't bother knowing what his skill set was because they only had time to plan for Teague?

4.  Dennis won't recognize any of his own players because he's not used to playing with the starters so he'll probably just throw the ball out of bounds?

5.  Given more time on the court teams will realize that it's easy to stop Dennis if they all learn to run backwards faster?

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This has just gotten totally stupid.

Let me end it here, Cleveland game planned for both point guards to be at their most dangerous when they are able to be drivers and attack the paint, whether it meant they scored or dished it off. They did not respect either point guards shot. The idea that they respected Jeff's shot is almost completely stupid, they pretty obviously didn't.

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The defensive game plan against both PGs is almost completely the same, make them a jump shooter instead of a driver, even if they're not even looking to score.

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Here's just a couple examples of what I'm talking about:

Respected jump shot?

 

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It's not that I HATE Teague, it's that you need to be real here. If Teague's jump shot was respected, you wouldn't see shots like especially the one in the Mavericks game where he's played off on by that much. I mean he's treated like he's as bad as Rondo with his jumper.