Coach Bud is becoming a problem

[benhillboy]

I have no problem with 4-2.  It's the Wizards and Lakers I take issue with.  Rest assured no one had a bigger issue than Bud.  We beat Cleveland and I'm a happy boy.  

I must say I'm enjoying all these easy second chance opportunities.  Let's Go Dwight.

I haven't seen much of any games this year, just bits, pieces, and radio calls.  Our transition D hasn't been affected has it?  I've seen Bud allow Hump and Sap to go for ORs as well but Dwight just seems to magnetize them shits.  

To his credit he tried to downplay his back injury the past couple years while many critics felt it was minimally to blame for his unspirited play.  Looking at him this season he's a different player.  He was clearly f&@ked up.  

I used to think his rebounding prowess was mostly due to his phenomenal jumping and shoulder width.  Now I see up close and consistently he hustles and has exceptional timing and ball skills to complement his physique.  Sometimes though he feels he doesn't even need to block out, a habit I wish he'd break.  

I've never cared for dude but I'm pleasantly surprised so far.  If his shots are efficient and in the flow I don't mind the poor foul shooting.

Edited November 6, 2016 by benhillboy

[frosgrim]

My gosh, six games in and we are talking about benching guys. Sigh. Different players get going at different rates. Early season shoot slumps are typical across multiple teams and multiple years. The only way out of a slump is playing time. The Hawks need Baze and Kyle to significant players to keep winning; ergo, play them now to get their shot down. Folks this is a LONG season and Bud is looking at the long term returns while weather the short term storm.

Also, please note Baze had an excellent game against Houston.

[Thomas]

1 hour ago, frosgrim said:

The only way out of a slump is playing time.

Guess Baze helped prove that theory last night.

[StephenHawking]

Got to admit you're right about that.

It kind of just frustrates me that it costs us winnable games to get them going instead of sticking to the hot hand and really win those games.

Other than that, what about Buds playcalls in crunchtime? I mean its not that big of an issue but to me its a big reason why the Hawks are considered as not clutch

[Guest]

1 hour ago, StephenHawking said:

Got to admit you're right about that.

It kind of just frustrates me that it costs us winnable games to get them going instead of sticking to the hot hand and really win those games.

Other than that, what about Buds playcalls in crunchtime? I mean its not that big of an issue but to me its a big reason why the Hawks are considered as not clutch

Unclutch players.

Sometimes it the players execution - tight sphincters.

[Guest]

35 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Unclutch players.

Sometimes it the players execution - tight sphincters.

You and ur fat tight sphincter...:-|

[Lurker]

Why do Kyle and Kent have to be "significant players" when pretty much ANYWHERE else, they aren't starting? They are role playing bench players, not starters.

[RandomFan]

6 hours ago, Lurker said:

Why do Kyle and Kent have to be "significant players" when pretty much ANYWHERE else, they aren't starting? They are role playing bench players, not starters.

I'm pretty sure Houston didn't offer Baze more money than we paid him to come be a role playing bench player...

 

[TheNorthCydeRises]

Lakers loss looking less and less worse.  They win again.  

4 - 3 on the season with 3 straight wins vs Atlanta, Golden State, and Phoenix.

[macdaddy]

If Thabo was starting everyone would be screaming that he's not starter material.    Same with Tim.   I think Tim will one day be the starting SG but right now Kyle and Baze are fine.   They are what they are which is solid.     I have questions about if Baze will be able to make another jump in this league but let's at least find out.   Thabo isn't the answer as a starter.   

[Thomas]

Guess Luke found a way to help Nick pay dividends instead of just chucking and causing distractions. His per is at just over fifteen right now. Never would have thunk. 

[macdaddy]

No coach is perfect.   I sure don't want to go back to anyone but Bud.   Have we forgotten so quickly what life is like with a mediocre coach?   Bud has changed just about everything for this organization.  

[Atlantaholic]

*sigh* This thread again...

17 years coaching under Pops, won coach of the year in his second season and gave us the first ECF appearance in Atlanta history. After taking a step back last year retools the entire roster.... How about we give it more than a handful of games before we slam him?

[AHF]

On November 8, 2016 at 1:13 AM, macdaddy said:

If Thabo was starting everyone would be screaming that he's not starter material.    Same with Tim.   I think Tim will one day be the starting SG but right now Kyle and Baze are fine.   They are what they are which is solid.     I have questions about if Baze will be able to make another jump in this league but let's at least find out.   Thabo isn't the answer as a starter.   

Qft.  We have no wings that are consistent plus two-way guys.  Korver and Thabo generally give plus efforts on one end and adequate on the other.  You can reliably predict Korver will have a serious plus perimeter shot over the season and draw tons of attention while Thabo will deliver excellent perimeter D.  Tim is up and down on O and subpar on D.  On O, two great games, one good and five bad leading to a solid fg% and career worst 3pt% through the first 8.  Baze has struggled on offense since mid season last year after a great first half on both ends.  Really needs to develop his handles.  Prince stands out as a guy who could surpass that front 4 as early as his year but he needs to get some time in Bud's system before he'll be trusted.  Hopeful on Bembry long term but his broken jumper means he is in development land for Bud.

 

In short - there is no magic bullet on the wings for this team but our prospects are much better for 2016-17 than they were last year.

[RandomFan]

13 hours ago, AHF said:

Tim is up and down on O and subpar on D.  On O, two great games, one good and five bad leading to a solid fg% and career worst 3pt% through the first 8.  Baze has struggled on offense since mid season last year after a great first half on both ends.  Really needs to develop his handles.

 

[Lurker]

I want to believe with Hardaway Jr, I really do. But on offense he's still similar to what he has always been other than being more unselfish than what he used to be. 80% of the shots he takes are good but he's extremely streaky.

[macdaddy]

13 hours ago, Lurker said:

I want to believe with Hardaway Jr, I really do. But on offense he's still similar to what he has always been other than being more unselfish than what he used to be. 80% of the shots he takes are good but he's extremely streaky.

I think the key is eliminating those bad 20%.   He almost always misses shots that he has no business taking.   His ability to drive and take guys off the dribble is going to be much needed by this team.   He's got to get that FT percentage up though.

[AHF]

2 hours ago, macdaddy said:

I think the key is eliminating those bad 20%.   He almost always misses shots that he has no business taking.   His ability to drive and take guys off the dribble is going to be much needed by this team.   He's got to get that FT percentage up though.

Needs that 3pt% up as well.  I believe in his free throw percentage being strong by season end.  His 3 is really important if he is this heir to Korver that some people are seeing.  Can't imagine pairing Dennis with a sg who shoots 35% or less from deep.  Spacing would really suffer.

[AHF]

16 hours ago, RandomFan said:

Not sure what this is supposed to mean.  Would otherwise be happy to respond.

[High5]

Tim has been a poor 3pt shooter overall, but if you look at his shot chart as a Hawk, he has been really good from the right corner. He's 4/4 this season and I think 12/22 last season (counting X's and O's on BBRef). Maybe it's a coincidence (SSS and all), but maybe he should concentrate more of his 3's in that area and otherwise focus more on getting good looks from 2. We don't need him to be a 3pt bomber to be valuable. I've been impressed by his drives this season.