My move to make the Hawks better

[terrellgroup]

Before getting into the resigning of Milsap, I first want to give a shoutout to Ressler. THANK YOU!  I am thrilled that Bud is only the coach, now please make an announcement that Shareef Abdur Rahul is our new GM and I am good.

Ok, back to resigning Milsap, that would be a NO. At least not at first. Now, I do not like when players walk , and we get nothing in return, but hey,! We are the Hawks, that is what we do.

I have given this a lot of thought, GO GET GORDON HAYWARD, give him what he wants. He is 6'8 can play some 2 or 3, a good passer, and more important, he is young.  Put him beside Prince, and that's your future.  You can build from those 2.  And if there is room left, sign Sap. 

Bembry should work at playing point like Giannis for the Bucks. 

 

 

[Guest]

Don't think I wouldn't love this, but getting Gordon Hayward away from Utah might be impossible.

[terrellgroup]

Sell Hayward on the fact that he has a better chance of winning in the east than the west. Whatever jazz offer, offer more

[Lurker]

He is Utah or Boston bound. There is ZERO chance that he goes anywhere else, none, nil, nada.

[DJlaysitup]

Gordon Hayward?  Seriously? - lets be clear - I am not branding the Mormons as racist - Utah is a Mormon State full of white people.  The Utah basketball fans who pay for the tickets are 90% White Mormons.  They are actually pretty good fans....they buy tickets and show  up for games.

If anybody actually thinks Utah is going to let a top quality white player like G.H. get away - they are incorrect.

G.H. .....IS....that franchise at this point.

[DJlaysitup]

52 minutes ago, terrellgroup said:

Sell Hayward on the fact that he has a better chance of winning in the east than the west. Whatever jazz offer, offer more

Utah would outbid us...we are cheap...we won 60 games two years ago and went to the CFs for the first time that the Hawks were in Atlanta.  Since then we lost 4 of 5 starters and none of the 4 retired. Teague went to Indy for more $$....DMC left for more $$... AL Horford is now the starting center for Boston because he got his price there...Korver will be fun to watch in the Finals this year since he is a CAV.

Let's be honest -the Hawks franchise is similar to a bunch of newborn baby ducks - cheap, cheap, cheap, cheap, cheap.

Simple as that....you go from a top team to a middle of the road and declining team this fast and there is only ONE answer - too cheap to pay your top players.

GO CELTICS !!   ...at least they ain't cheap.

Edited May 7, 2017 by DJlaysitup

[terrellgroup]

Yeah, you are probably right.  I did not look at it from that point of view

[Lurker]

sigh, do we need to go over the cap rules AGAIN with 2015? That dead horse has been beaten several times already. Carroll was not coming back even if the Hawks wanted him back because the Hawks had no way to manipulate the cap to where it was going to work.

And Teague was not in Indy because of **more money**. He was in Indy because the Hawks decided that they needed to move a PG for an asset.

It had NOTHING to do with money, NOTHING. They're willing to pay but unlike baseball there are cap rules in which if you can't sign everyone under bird, once you reach your cap you are DONE. You can't sign anyone else after that.

[DJlaysitup]

1 minute ago, Lurker said:

sigh, do we need to go over the cap rules AGAIN with 2015? That dead horse has been beaten several times already. Carroll was not coming back even if the Hawks wanted him back because the Hawks had no way to manipulate the cap to where it was going to work.

And Teague was not in Indy because of **more money**. He was in Indy because the Hawks decided that they needed to move a PG for an asset.

It had NOTHING to do with money, NOTHING. They're willing to pay but unlike baseball there are cap rules in which if you can't sign everyone under bird, once you reach your cap you are DONE. You can't sign anyone else after that.

C'mon Lurker...you know that it is a "soft cap"...if a team is willing to pay - and maybe a "luxury cap" penalty  - players can be re-signed.

Do you work for the Hawks?

[Lurker]

4 minutes ago, DJlaysitup said:

C'mon Lurker...you know that it is a "soft cap"...if a team is willing to pay - and maybe a "luxury cap" penalty  - players can be re-signed.

Do you work for the Hawks?

You're missing the catch here. Everyone has to be resigned under bird. If they are not resigned under bird, the cap rules come under play and you're done, you can't sign anyone else, period, no questions asked. Signing Millsap forced the cap rules into play in 2015 and that was it, there was no other big signing coming even if the Hawks went kicking and screaming up to the NBA folks about it.

That's why the offseason last year was f'd up so badly, they had the ability to sign everyone on the team under bird to make it an endless cap instead of forcing the cap rules to come into play but noooooooooo. It's not just about Howard's play that makes him a mistake, THIS is what makes it a colossal mistake.

Edited May 7, 2017 by Lurker

[DJlaysitup]

Hey Lurker...I tend to agree with you normally...but if are telling me that there is no way under the rules - if the Hawks finagled a bit and were willing to spend the money - that - that - they could not have still had a starting line-up of Teague - Korver - DMC - Sap - Horford...I would beg to differ.

[Lurker]

2 minutes ago, DJlaysitup said:

Hey Lurker...I tend to agree with you normally...but if are telling me that there is no way under the rules - if the Hawks finagled a bit and were willing to spend the money - that - that - they could not have still had a starting line-up of Teague - Korver - DMC - Sap - Horford...I would beg to differ.

You're wrong. The only way was to have the bird rights, that's it, they didn't have bird on DMC or Sap, which is why DMC was definitely walking away after 2015, no questions asked, no way to get him back because the cap rules would have blocked it due to no bird.

That's the only way to get an endless cap, to have bird on everyone.

They didn't f up in 2015.

They DID in 2016 and are likely going to have to rebuild due to it (not blow it up nuclear wise but rebuild). Howard should have never been signed. Bazemore should have been allowed to walk.

[DJlaysitup]

You are falling back on "rules" and bullsh!t.  You see quality talent - you do what is necessary to keep that talent.  Other teams do it.  Maybe you re-negotiate a contract early?  IT IS BULLSH!T  that other teams can keep their talent (and often add more) and we Hawks fans are told that the salary cap is $&(*&*.

Other teams figure this stuff out.

[Thomas]

2 hours ago, Spud2Nique said:

Don't think I wouldn't love this, but getting Gordon Hayward away from Utah might be impossible.

Your making Ainge shed tears with that stuff.

[Lurker]

28 minutes ago, DJlaysitup said:

You are falling back on "rules" and bullsh!t.  You see quality talent - you do what is necessary to keep that talent.  Other teams do it.  Maybe you re-negotiate a contract early?  IT IS BULLSH!T  that other teams can keep their talent (and often add more) and we Hawks fans are told that the salary cap is $&(*&*.

Other teams figure this stuff out.

You can't re negotiate the contract. It is what it is. Once the guy is signed in a way that isn't under bird, it can't be fixed, sorry but no matter how much you kick and scream about it, Carroll was walking after 2015 no matter what.

And he looks like damaged goods anyway

[JTB]

I like the idea of adding ibaka if possible. Trade bazemore to free up the extra salary. 

Adding ibaka gives us a true small dominant lineup as bud plays Sap at center at times anyways.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Thomas said:

Your making Ainge shed tears with that stuff.

If so...he still leads 4-1...:-(

[terrellgroup]

2 hours ago, JTB said:

I like the idea of adding ibaka if possible. Trade bazemore to free up the extra salary. 

Adding ibaka gives us a true small dominant lineup as bud plays Sap at center at times anyways.

So you would actually make Thj your starting guard?

[terrellgroup]

If y'all like Thj as a starter, then something is wrong with y'all.  Please stop going backward.  We need to improve, I would resign Thj as my 6th man.

i would rather have Rudy gay, perhaps Dion waiters, maybe will Barton , I think I would move prince to the 2 guard and get Gallinari, put hi at small forward.

[JTB]

43 minutes ago, terrellgroup said:

So you would actually make Thj your starting guard?

Honestly it really depends....SGs available in free agency this off season aren't very talented. You will see teams pursue THJ.

29 minutes ago, terrellgroup said:

If y'all like Thj as a starter, then something is wrong with y'all.  Please stop going backward.  We need to improve, I would resign Thj as my 6th man.

i would rather have Rudy gay, perhaps Dion waiters, maybe will Barton , I think I would move prince to the 2 guard and get Gallinari, put hi at small forward.

THJ being a starter isn't backwards. THJ started on and off all year this year despite showing he should have just been awarded as a starter. This is the first time he's played in a constructed offense and he vastly improved. If you think a 24 year old can't continue to improve that's fits the "backwards thinking" quote. 

-Rudy Gay doesn't even try on defense so no need to pursue him . Plus he's looking for big time money.

-I don't trust waiters, he had one good...decent actually is more fitting season. Waiters has had plenty of opportunities to prove himself even more so than THJ and he's now just having one decent year in year 5? Yet THJ is going backwards????? THJ actually played better than waiters and this is his 3rd season.

-will Barton to me is on the same level of Hardaway jr. Also until he actually plays some meaningful basketball in his NBA career I wouldn't just assume he's so much better than THJ especially when the pressure isn't the same. Expectations for the nuggets are low. People or general fan base at least know the Hawks will be in the playoffs year in and year out.

-Gallanari yes! Yes! Yes! ....not sure how long you've been on the squawk but everyone or at least most have been dying to get Gallanari! Hopefully we can find a way to get him this summer as he would be dominating under bud. Only issue is his health as he misses a lot of time but hell its worth taking the risk. We may get lucky like the rockets did with Eric Gordon and Gallanari plays the whole season.

 

last starting prince at SG I would be ok with if we got Gallanari and retained THJ. Either way it goes i have no problem starting THJ next season as he's already showing huge improvement under just year 2 with bud and he's extremely young therefore no need to be down or give up on a 23 year old.