Three point shots are ruining the game

[AHF]

13 hours ago, benhillboy said:

That's interesting.  Does his Louisville team still play that style?  Might've been one of the reasons he didn't stick in the late '90s.  Maybe try it again, champ?  You don't even have to buy the cooch for the pros, they got it.

If you look at what his Knicks team did before he came to UK, you can see it too.  The Knicks shot 4.6 3pt attempts (11th in the league) the season before they hired him.  His second and last year with the team they averaged 14 3pt attempts to lead the league (the next highest team averaged 10 attempts so it was a big gap).  He then came to UK and told the players to fire away from long range and to stop shooting midrange shots.  He wanted everything to be a dunk, layup or 3pt shot.

UK shot 302 3pt attempts the season before Pitino came on board.  Pitino's teams shot  715 and 875 shots in years 2 and 3 under him.   

[HawkItus]

simple = remove the baseline 3

[Admin]

3 hours ago, GameTime said:

Exactly. I'm sure most of us here loved 3 point shooting when Korver was breaking records in 14-15. You can't win a championship in this era without 3 pt shooting. I hope our future GM knows this.

There's  a MAJOR difference between having a specialist shooting 3's as his primary function and having 4-5 players on the floor at a time shooting them as their preferred shot. 

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42 minutes ago, AHF said:

If you look at what his Knicks team did before he came to UK, you can see it too.  The Knicks shot 4.6 3pt attempts (11th in the league) the season before they hired him.  His second and last year with the team they averaged 14 3pt attempts to lead the league (the next highest team averaged 10 attempts so it was a big gap).  He then came to UK and told the players to fire away from long range and to stop shooting midrange shots.  He wanted everything to be a dunk, layup or 3pt shot.

UK shot 302 3pt attempts the season before Pitino came on board.  Pitino's teams shot  715 and 875 shots in years 2 and 3 under him.   

And this is why the NBA game that we have grown up watching is dying. 

Why not make everything in baseball be a bunt or a HR? 

Nothing but hail Marys or long bombs in football since half the time you'll probably get a reception or a PI called. 

Nothing but penalty kicks in soccer while we are at it. 

[TheNorthCydeRises]

On 5/21/2017 at 10:38 PM, Dolfan23 said:

I have always been of the opinion that the 3pt shot was a critical part of basketball and couldn't imagine the game without it. 

This season has nearly sapped the joy of watching the game from me as we now have numerous teams who have all 5 positions shooting 3's and more and more teams are simply running the court and spacing it to shoot a 3 every time down. Where's the strategy in that? How is that fun to watch as a fan? A player or a team can simply get hot from 3 and if the other team can't match that then good luck to them. Case in point being tonight's game where the Celtics were getting the doors blown off of them as should be expected playing a much more talented team on the road and without arguably their best player. Kevin Love goes crazy from 3 putting up 10 attempts in the first half and the game looks to be over. In the 2nd half the Cavs can't buy a bucket from deep while the Celtics go insane and come back to win the game via the 3pt shot. Last year the Cavs beat the bricks off of us with their relentless 3pt attempts. The Rockets simply decided to try and make every shot attempt a 3 this year. The Warriors have turned around their entire team by having dominant 3pt shooting. 

Is that how the game was meant to be played? What's going to stop that from being the strategy for all teams in the future? It's turning a great game into an arena football type of experience. 

Am I the only one who can see himself actually stopping watching the NBA in the future because of the lack of strategy and inside play? I mean seriously who the hell over 13 years old wants to watch 2 teams go back and forth firing 3pt shot after 3pt shot? 

I agree . . .  somewhat.

What I think is really killing the game, is the disappearance of the midrange shot and teams not valuing offensive rebounding.   Teams literally shoot themselves out of a game, because they're jacking up 3s that they can't consistently make, instead of taking midrange 2s that they can make at a 45% - 50% clip.

I've had arguments on this very site talking about how guys are better off taking midrange jumpers than 3 pointers, especially if they can't make that 3 at a reasonable rate.  Analytic stat guys can talk about points per shot, or how making 33% on threes is equal to making 50% on twos.  That's hogwash. 

The difference is that a guy who shoots 50% from two point range is going to be a much more consistent shooter on a nightly basis, than a guy who shoots 33% from three.  And that guy who can shoot 50% from 2, is more than likely a guy who can create his own shot, or at very least, shoot quickly enough space to get his shot off.  Most important, he's going to be around that 50% range most games, and not have too many bad games.

33% shooters from 3 are normally streaky as hell.  They run hot from game to game . . sometimes from week to week.  Like Paul Millsap's 3 point shooting.  And all of those missed 3 point shots by these mediocre long range shooters lead to transition opportunities for the other team.

Demarr Derozen is a guy who plays to his strengths and stays in the midrange, because he knows that he can't shoot the deep ball.  Instead of trying to develop a 3 ball, so that he can become a mediocre shooter from deep, he stays in the 16 feet and in range, and has become a top 5 SG in the league.

He literally takes over this game vs Boston at the end with midrange jumpers.

 

( I had written this yesterday, but forgot to post it.   Thank you for the auto save feature when writing posts.  )

Edited May 23, 2017 by TheNorthCydeRises

[AHF]

There are very few players in the NBA who shoot 50% on midrange jumpers.  There are lots that shoot over 33% from 3pt range.  

 

Our Hawks this season, for example, have exactly zero people shooting 50% from 3-10 feet or 11-16 feet (obviously no one is close to 50% combined either).  We have 10 players who shot better than 33% from 3pt range and we were a crappy long distance shooting team.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

Case in point . . . Marcus Smart.   Looked like the world's greatest shooter one night . . . goes 1 -9 FG . . . 1 - 5 3FG the next, for 8 points.