Schlenk has already fielded trade calls for Plumlee & Belli

[Admin]

Just read an actually good arricle from C-Viv where Schlenk confirms we are NOT rebuilding... Viv later refers to our strategy as retooling. @benhillboy's bald brother also says that he has already fielded calls to trade for Plumlee and Belli. In one fell swoop Schlenk dispelled all of the current notions from the kingdom of hate regarding terrible untradeable contracts and whether we are rebuilding. Sorry to those who've already had their haterade for the day but maybe tomorrow you can try some fresh Georgia peaches instead.

http://www.ajc.com/sports/basketball/still-work-hawks-determine-direction-franchise/wFFI12Dulijl5SqmIx3YkI/

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Our goal is still to be competitive,” Schlenk said before the draft. “Being competitive and maintaining our flexibility, that’s still where we are. We are not in a rebuild phase.”

Schlenk and the front office have also been busy exploring possible trades. The Hawks dealt Dwight Howard last week and received Plumlee and Marco Belinelli. Schlenk has already fielded trade calls on each as well as others on the roster.

 

[Guest]

Get em, @Dolfan23!

Musta ate your Wheaties for once.

All these haters whining about untradeable contracts and tanking need to get it together.

#StopWhiningHaters

[Peoriabird]

Who could possibly want  those guys and what could the Hawks get in return that would benefit the team? If his plan is to give away more draft picks, No Thank you!

[Admin]

4 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

Who could possibly want  those guys and what could the Hawks get in return that would benefit the team? If his plan is to give away more draft picks, No Thank you!

Teams looking to deal guys with bigger and or larger contracts. Let's say we could get Ryan Andersen or Lamarcus Aldridge, how would you feel about that? Or maybe Faried and Chandler? Any team looking to clear major cap space can trade for Plumlee and waive / stretch him while giving us starting caliber player(s) simply so that team can try and load up on max free agents. 

[Peoriabird]

1 minute ago, Dolfan23 said:

Teams looking to deal guys with bigger and or larger contracts. Let's say we could get Ryan Andersen or Lamarcus Aldridge, how would you feel about that? Or maybe Faried and Chandler? Any team looking to clear major cap space can trade for Plumlee and waive / stretch him while giving us starting caliber player(s) simply so that team can try and load up on max free agents. 

LA looks bad now but I guess he would be worth those guys. Faired would be ok.  how old is Chandler?

[Admin]

11 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

LA looks bad now but I guess he would be worth those guys. Faired would be ok.  how old is Chandler?

Wilson Chandler not Tyson. None are the players they once were but all are significantly better than Plumlee. 

[AHF]

Here is what I guess the calls are like for Belli:

"That is a very solid player on a great contract.  I want him and am really hoping he was just fodder for the deal and I can steal him from you."

Here is what I guess the calls are like for Plumlee:

"I saw you just give up draft assets and take on a terrible deal to unload a guy with a 20 PER last season.  Now you've got a guy on a 7 figure salary who can barely get out of a suit long enough to play and who hasn't had a productive season in years.  You've got a nice stream of draft picks coming in and I've got some terrible contracts.  Let's talk."

 

Bigger picture I'm very interested in seeing what retooling looks like this summer.   All we can do is wait and see there.  Time will tell what "retooling" means to Schlenk and how that differs (if at all) from what I would classify under what is likely a broader banner of rebuilding.

[DS5]

39 minutes ago, Dolfan23 said:

Any team looking to clear major cap space can trade for Plumlee and waive / stretch him while giving us starting caliber player(s) simply so that team can try and load up on max free agents. 

What is that stretch provision on Plumlee? Does that mean any team trading for him can waive him and not count against the cap? Sorry if it's already been explained before.. But this makes me a lot more optimistic about that trade it that's the case. 

[AHF]

6 minutes ago, DS5 said:

What is that stretch provision on Plumlee? Does that mean any team trading for him can waive him and not count against the cap? Sorry if it's already been explained before.. But this makes me a lot more optimistic about that trade it that's the case. 

No.  They don't pay him any less or get any long-term cap relief.  What they get to do is take his deal and pay it over a longer period of time so the impact is less but for longer so their short-term cap bill is less.

The best case for cap reduction for a team is to basically do what we just did - give the other team a larger contract to begin with and then have the option to stretch him and pay him over more years at a reduced per year figure.  It isn't very attractive outside of specific driving circumstances.

[JTB]

1 minute ago, DS5 said:

What is that stretch provision on Plumlee? Does that mean any team trading for him can waive him and not count against the cap? Sorry if it's already been explained before.. But this makes me a lot more optimistic about that trade it that's the case. 

Teams can use the stretch provision to stretch a players remaining salary out for more years to make their salary per year cheaper.

im not the capologist around here but it's something like that . In plumlees case he's getting like 12m per year right now for the next 3 seasons if a team used the stretch provision on him that would cut his salary per year to like 5m or so stretched out for more years.

just think of it as ...a player will get their money that's remaining on their contract but it's just stretched out over more years to make it cheaper per year for the team.

[HawkItus]

59 minutes ago, Dolfan23 said:

Teams looking to deal guys with bigger and or larger contracts. Let's say we could get Ryan Andersen or Lamarcus Aldridge, how would you feel about that? Or maybe Faried and Chandler? Any team looking to clear major cap space can trade for Plumlee and waive / stretch him while giving us starting caliber player(s) simply so that team can try and load up on max free agents. 

Ryan Anderson's contract is a no no

[DS5]

Thanks @AHF and @JTB. I'm back to the pessimistic side. 

[JTB]

If someone is actually listening to Schlenk about plumlee and belineli he has me slightly more faithful about on his GM negotiation ability.

[Bankingitbig]

Stretch provision is taking the remaining contract and dividing it over 2x the number of years + 1 year. So in the case of Miles Plumlee, he has 3 years remaining on his $37.5m deal. If you stretch it, then it would stretch over a 7 year time (2 x 3 + 1 = 7) and would count as only $5.36m against the salary cap ($37.5m / 7 = $5.36m),

In my opinion, there really is no reason for the Hawks to do this given our current roster/competitiveness. Rather just take the salary hit now since we won't be contending and try to trade him later when his contract is closer to expiring. Once you use the stretch provision, then you are stuck with that salary cap hit, whereas you could always potentially trade him.

Edited June 26, 2017 by Bankingitbig

[Watchman]

42 minutes ago, JTB said:

If someone is actually listening to Schlenk about plumlee and belineli he has me slightly more faithful about on his GM negotiation ability.

The only calls Slinky's been getting regarding Plumlee and Belinelli are from his wife and mother asking him how he could possibly make such a stupid trade.

[Watchman]

8 minutes ago, Bankingitbig said:

Stretch provision is taking the remaining contract and dividing it over 2x the number of years + 1 year. So in the case of Miles Plumlee, he has 3 years remaining on his $37.5m deal. If you stretch it, then it would stretch over a 7 year time (2 x 3 + 1 = 7) and would count as only $5.36m against the salary cap ($37.5m / 7 = $5.36m),

In my opinion, there really is no reason for the Hawks to do this given our current roster/competitiveness. Rather just take the salary hit now since we won't be contending and try to trade him later when his contract is closer to expiring. Once you use the stretch provision, then you are stuck with that salary cap hit, whereas you could always potentially trade him.

And that cap hit continues long after that player is gone.  Four years after he's gone, you're still having your cap reduced and are thus dragging out the reduction in available cap space.

[Bankingitbig]

I actually think we should hold onto Bellineli. Put him in our system that has a tendency to make wings look better than their actual value. Then try and trade him at the deadline to a contender that is desperate to add wing depth. Similar to last year with the Korver trade. Korver's value was not a top-10 protected first round pick, but because the Cavs were desperate it gives us leverage.

[Plainview1981]

3 hours ago, Dolfan23 said:

Just read an actually good arricle from C-Viv where Schlenk confirms we are NOT rebuilding... Viv later refers to our strategy as retooling. @benhillboy's bald brother also says that he has already fielded calls to trade for Plumlee and Belli. In one fell swoop Schlenk dispelled all of the current notions from the kingdom of hate regarding terrible untradeable contracts and whether we are rebuilding. Sorry to those who've already had their haterade for the day but maybe tomorrow you can try some fresh Georgia peaches instead.

http://www.ajc.com/sports/basketball/still-work-hawks-determine-direction-franchise/wFFI12Dulijl5SqmIx3YkI/

 

Basically the same thing we hear with every regime. The new boss is the same as the old boss.

[HawkItus]

I wouldn't trust a word spoken by Ressler/Schlenk after there recent showings.  

[AHF]

1 hour ago, Hotlanta1981 said:

Basically the same thing we hear with every regime. The new boss is the same as the old boss.

Ferry was very different from his predecessor.  I don't think we know what we have with Schlenk at this point.  The type of pr speak at the beginning of a regime doens't mean nearly as much as the story his actions will illuminate.  Give him time and let's see what we have.