Bankingitbig Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 Updated cap sheet for the 2017 - 2018 season following the Dedmon signing. Kent Bazemore 16,910,113 Dennis Schröder 15,500,000 Miles Plumlee 12,500,000 Dewayne Dedmon 6,829,268 Marco Belinelli 6,606,060 Mike Muscala 4,807,692 Malcom Delaney 2,500,000 Taurean Prince 2,422,560 John Collins 1,936,920 Deandre Bembry 1,567,200 Diamond Stone 1,312,611 Tyler Dorsey 815,615 Jamal Crawford (stretched) 3,449,398 Mike Dunleavy (waive) 1,662,500 This assumes the full buyout of Crawford's guaranteed contract portion. We have no minimum roster hold charges because we have 12 players signed. This equates to $73,708,039 in guaranteed salary, along with $5,111,898 of dead money. This leaves us with $20,273,063 in salary cap space for this season, along with the Room Mid-Level Exception of $4,328,000. Curious to see if Schlenk plans to use the space or save it to use as an asset later in potential trades. Next season I have it at $32,258,875 in cap space assuming a salary cap of $102,000,000 and assuming all options are exercised and cap holds renounced. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazer Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 (edited) That is very nice change. Bring in Willie, Mac or Ja, and Ennis and call it an off-season. Edited July 12, 2017 by hazer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 Schlenk is so good! He finally accumulated a full roster! He's the best. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecampster Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 (edited) On 7/12/2017 at 9:41 AM, Bankingitbig said: Updated cap sheet for the 2017 - 2018 season following the Dedmon signing. Kent Bazemore 16,910,113 Dennis Schröder 15,500,000 Miles Plumlee 12,500,000 Dewayne Dedmon 6,829,268 Marco Belinelli 6,606,060 Mike Muscala 4,807,692 Malcom Delaney 2,500,000 Taurean Prince 2,422,560 John Collins 1,936,920 Deandre Bembry 1,567,200 Diamond Stone 1,312,611 Tyler Dorsey 815,615 Jamal Crawford (stretched) 3,449,398 Mike Dunleavy (waive) 1,662,500 This assumes the full buyout of Crawford's guaranteed contract portion. We have no minimum roster hold charges because we have 12 players signed. This equates to $73,708,039 in guaranteed salary, along with $5,111,898 of dead money. This leaves us with $20,273,063 in salary cap space for this season, along with the Room Mid-Level Exception of $4,328,000. Curious to see if Schlenk plans to use the space or save it to use as an asset later in potential trades. Next season I have it at $32,258,875 in cap space assuming a salary cap of $102,000,000 and assuming all options are exercised and cap holds renounced. Here is your adjustment. It seems it was not stretched Jamal buyout year 1 - 10,942,762 - year 2 - 2,304,226 https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2017/7/19/15994904/atlanta-hawks-salary-cap-tyler-dorsey-contract-minimum-procedure So to simplify, they chose to eat Crawford's salary this year because they had the space and to free up space for free agency next year. They now have $9.945 million in cap space with 2 roster spaces available. Edited July 19, 2017 by thecampster 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 (edited) I thought only about $3m of Crawford's salary was guaranteed. Does the entire amount still go against the cap whether they pay him or not? Is this a sneaky way of dropping below the cap minimum? Or was all of Crawford's money guaranteed? Edited July 19, 2017 by Randy typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bankingitbig Posted July 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, Randy said: I thought only about $3m of Crawford's salary was guaranteed. Does the entire amount still go against the cap whether they pay him or not? Is this a sneaky way of dropping below the cap minimum? Or was all of Crawford's money guaranteed? Here is what I said in the Crawford buyout thread - the $3m you are referencing is only for the 2018-2019 season. Hawks and Crawford agreed to a "buyout" of his contract to allow him to become a free agent. In the buyout arrangement, we agree to pay him only $13.2m of his $17.2m guaranteed contract over 2-years. This is ~76% of his guaranteed contract, so his cap hit this year will only be ~76% of what his 2017-2018 salary was supposed to be, which is where the $10,942,762 cap hit in 2017-2018 comes from. Next year, it will only be $2,304,2226 as a cap hit since he only had $3,000,000 guaranteed for the 2018-2019 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 (edited) Thanks I just didn't understand Crawford's contract. Edited July 19, 2017 by Randy correction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorthCydeRises Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) On 7/12/2017 at 9:00 AM, Alex said: Schlenk is so good! He finally accumulated a full roster! He's the best. Edited July 20, 2017 by TheNorthCydeRises 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorthCydeRises Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 The cool thing for the players on the roster, is that if the Hawks stay below the minimum threshold, they still have to pay up to the floor minimum. That means the players on the current roster will get some extra cash in their pockets, despite it not counting against the cap. And with it being dished out in equal parts, the players making the least will appreciate the extra cash the most. Diamond Stone might buy him a couple of extra karats. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 20 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said: The cool thing for the players on the roster, is that if the Hawks stay below the minimum threshold, they still have to pay up to the floor minimum. That means the players on the current roster will get some extra cash in their pockets, despite it not counting against the cap. And with it being dished out in equal parts, the players making the least will appreciate the extra cash the most. Diamond Stone might buy him a couple of extra karats. This season will test FiveThirtyEight's CARMELO Projections. The Hawks WARP of their top 12 players (Diamond Stone is not listed in CARMELO Projections: Kent Bazemore 0.7 WARP (1.0 WARP) Marco Belinelli -0.5 WARP (0.6 WARP) DeAndre Bembry 0.0 WARP (-0.3 WARP) John Collins 0.1 WARP Malcolm Delaney -0.8 WARP (-1.3 WARP) Tyler Dorsey -0.4 WARP Ersan Ilyasova 1.5 WARP (3.5 WARP) Mike Muscala 1.1 WARP (1.4 WARP) Miles Plumlee -0.1 WARP (-0.2 WARP) Taurean Prince 1.0 WARP (0.2 WARP) Dennis Schröder 1.6 WARP (0.2 WARP) Dewayne Dedmon 1.7 WARP (3.0 WARP) The combined WARP for the Hawks top 12 guys is 5.9. Based on WARP projections, the Hawks have essentially a replacement level team this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecampster Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 1 hour ago, TheNorthCydeRises said: The cool thing for the players on the roster, is that if the Hawks stay below the minimum threshold, they still have to pay up to the floor minimum. That means the players on the current roster will get some extra cash in their pockets, despite it not counting against the cap. And with it being dished out in equal parts, the players making the least will appreciate the extra cash the most. Diamond Stone might buy him a couple of extra karats. Well, Crawford's buyout (I believe) counts and therefore they are less than $800,000 below the threshold right now. It is safe to assume they sign 2 players and will be above the minimum threshold. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parfait Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 3 hours ago, KB21 said: This season will test FiveThirtyEight's CARMELO Projections. The Hawks WARP of their top 12 players (Diamond Stone is not listed in CARMELO Projections: Kent Bazemore 0.7 WARP (1.0 WARP) Marco Belinelli -0.5 WARP (0.6 WARP) DeAndre Bembry 0.0 WARP (-0.3 WARP) John Collins 0.1 WARP Malcolm Delaney -0.8 WARP (-1.3 WARP) Tyler Dorsey -0.4 WARP Ersan Ilyasova 1.5 WARP (3.5 WARP) Mike Muscala 1.1 WARP (1.4 WARP) Miles Plumlee -0.1 WARP (-0.2 WARP) Taurean Prince 1.0 WARP (0.2 WARP) Dennis Schröder 1.6 WARP (0.2 WARP) Dewayne Dedmon 1.7 WARP (3.0 WARP) The combined WARP for the Hawks top 12 guys is 5.9. Based on WARP projections, the Hawks have essentially a replacement level team this year. KB, is there a theoretical win total that this translates to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 8 hours ago, parfait said: KB, is there a theoretical win total that this translates to? 16-17 wins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plainview1981 Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, KB21 said: 16-17 wins. That win total in this years eastern conference would be one worst (if not the worst) NBA's team ever. Edited July 20, 2017 by Hotlanta1981 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noble Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 7 hours ago, KB21 said: 16-17 wins. That hurts to read. Ouch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Peoriabird Posted July 20, 2017 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 Doesn't this assume that players are playing the exact same role as before without any improvement in their play? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 5 hours ago, Peoriabird said: Doesn't this assume that players are playing the exact same role as before without any improvement in their play? Actually, it is counting on regression in some of the players like Dedmon and Ilyasova while Schröder improves quite a bit from a 0.2 WARP to a 1.6 WARP player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Peoriabird Posted July 21, 2017 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 1 minute ago, KB21 said: Actually, it is counting on regression in some of the players like Dedmon and Ilyasova while Schröder improves quite a bit from a 0.2 WARP to a 1.6 WARP player. Why would Illyasova regress his 2nd year in the system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Just now, Peoriabird said: Why would Illyasova regress his 2nd year in the system? He's at an age where you typically see regression, and he's probably going to have a larger role than he should have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Peoriabird Posted July 21, 2017 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Just now, KB21 said: He's at an age where you typically see regression, and he's probably going to have a larger role than he should have. Then why would we resign Millsap if you regress at 29? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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