Schröder watch

[TheNorthCydeRises]

12 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Dennis will always flash, but we have yet to see him put the complete package on the floor where he is shooting well, attacking the basket, getting teammates involved, protecting the basketball, and DEFENDING.  

So in other words, you want him to play like an All-NBA player?

I'll take "All-Star with some flaws".

Baby steps.

[KB21]

17 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

So in other words, you want him to play like an All-NBA player?

I'll take "All-Star with some flaws".

Baby steps.

Unfortunately, I don't believe he is an All-Star with flaws right now.  The consistency isn't there with his offense, and his defense is too poor to offset the lack of offensive consistency.  

[AHF]

He badly needs to improve his off the ball D to take the next step.  Ballhandling improvement this year has been a nice adjustment.

[BudBall]

The last several games Dennis seems to be taking plays off which is very disheartening.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

7 hours ago, ISO said:

The last several games Dennis seems to be taking plays off which is very disheartening.

When you know that your owner doesn't want you to win games, it may have that effect on you.  Dennis has legit only had 3 bad games the entire year.  The guy has far exceeded most everyone's expectations this year.

[rd79]

This Bleacher Report article lists Dennis as the 6th best isolation scorer of the league (behind Harden, LeBron, Durant, Oladipo and Austin Rivers)

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Isolation plays can be some of the most exciting possessions employed by any NBA offense. 

Are they the most effective? Of course not, which is why many defenses are structured to force extra passes and compel the opposition into attempting an isolation attack. But they're still thrilling, whether a smaller player is dazzling with his dribbles before attacking the hoop or a bigger man is backing his way toward the basket before hitting a turnaround jumper. 

Some excel in these one-on-one situations, while others struggle so excessively that they shouldn't ever be granted another isolation opportunity. It's the first group with which we're concerned today, and we're not leaning on reputations. Only what's happened in 2017-18 matters, allowing us to remain entirely objective. 

We'll use Kyrie Irving as an example, since last year's premier isolation player has been thoroughly average—in this play type only, not overall—during his first go-round with the Boston Celtics. As a result, he will not be appearing in this countdown. 

Heading into games on Nov. 20, 296 different players had embarked upon at least one isolation endeavor during the current season. They'd combined to score 3,616 points on 3,971 possessions—a lackluster 0.911 points per possession that indicates why this play type should so often be avoided by all but the league's most lethal scorers. 

Irving, meanwhile, had produced 60 points on 62 isolation attempts—0.968 points per possession. A league-average isolation threat would've theoretically put up 56.48 points with the same workload as the C's floor general, so Irving's production is marginally positive. 

A score of 3.52—his actual points minus the hypothetical points of the league-average player—is nothing to be ashamed of; it's just not quite enough to sneak into the top 10. In fact, it pushes Irving down to No. 30, and that's a placement he'll surely leave in the dust as the sample grows larger and he moves closer to last year's league-leading mark of 87.91. 

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6. Dennis Schröder, PG, Atlanta Hawks: 10.33

Isolation Possessions: 60

Isolation Points per Possession: 1.08

Speed, speed and more speed. 

Dennis Schröder's isolation possessions don't contain much nuance. Once he gets a matchup he likes, he's going to put his head down and the ball on the floor, then explode toward the hoop with all the acceleration he can muster. The German point guard is one of the league's quickest players in the half-court set, and this is where he truly shines. 

Just look how easily he gets by George Hill for an uncontested layup. And that's against a guard known, in part, for his defensive chops. If he forces a big man to switch onto him, he's either going to blow through the defender (sorry, Ryan Anderson) or jet past and then slow down to seal him behind for a relatively clean finish (your turn, John Henson). 

Couple those wheels with finishing touch and a penchant for reverse lay-ins, and you have a potent isolation weapon.

The Atlanta Hawks have also fully unleashed Schröder in 2017-18, turning to him more and more to compensate for the offseason departure of Paul Millsap to the Denver Nuggets. He's tasked with initiating a disproportinate amount of the offense, and 19.5 percent of his plays fall under the isolation umbrella—up from a relatively meager 11.1 percent last year and 6.9 percent in 2015-16. 

Apparently, that trust is paying off. 

This score isn't merely the result of a volume uptick, since Schröder is also scoring at—rather easily—his highest clip of the SportVU era, which encompasses these last three season. In fact, if he maintained this exact rate and the Hawks ran every possession as a Schröder isolation, their 108.3 offensive rating would tie the Indiana Pacers for No. 5 in the league-wide hierarchy. 

 

Edited November 22, 2017 by rd79

[Diesel]

1 hour ago, rd79 said:

This Bleacher Report article lists Dennis as the 6th best isolation scorer of the league (behind Harden, LeBron, Durant, Oladipo and Austin Rivers)

 

Yeah.. But Isolation Basketball isn't Bud's thing.  Bud is a lame duck.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

The ray of light for the season.  Keep doing your thing man.

 

[TheNorthCydeRises]

Great effort from Dennis tonight.  Showing true leadership skills, even with "The King" took it upon himself to try to shut him down.

 

[NBASupes]

On 11/21/2017 at 6:41 AM, TheNorthCydeRises said:

When you know that your owner doesn't want you to win games, it may have that effect on you.  Dennis has legit only had 3 bad games the entire year.  The guy has far exceeded most everyone's expectations this year.

Dudes want Dennis to handle more responsibility but that's not his game. Dennis is going to do his game. It's best to put as much talent around Dennis as possible while playing to his strengths. As you noticed, there is not much talent around Dennis right now. 

[TheNorthCydeRises]

1 hour ago, NBASupes said:

Dudes want Dennis to handle more responsibility but that's not his game. Dennis is going to do his game. It's best to put as much talent around Dennis as possible while playing to his strengths. As you noticed, there is not much talent around Dennis right now. 

Sounds like responsibility to me.

 

[NBASupes]

On 12/1/2017 at 0:34 AM, TheNorthCydeRises said:

Sounds like responsibility to me.

 

Responsibility on the court. Like protecting other players on the court when they make mistakes. Making elite plays off of the ball, just being more of an asset. These are things I just don't think Dennis can do. Dennis is going to play his game. Work hard. Put up numbers but let's be clear, he's not that type of player. 

[TheNorthCydeRises]

1 hour ago, NBASupes said:

Responsibility on the court. Like protecting other players on the court when they make mistakes. Making elite plays off of the ball, just being more of an asset. These are things I just don't think Dennis can do. Dennis is going to play his game. Work hard. Put up numbers but let's be clear, he's not that type of player. 

So what current NBA PG do you want him to be like?

[NBASupes]

Just now, TheNorthCydeRises said:

So what current NBA PG do you want him to be like?

For as much talent as this team lacks, Mike Conley Jr. is a prime example of a PG who can handle a lot of responsibility and carry teammates. 

[nathan2331]

For as much talent as this team lacks, Mike Conley Jr. is a prime example of a PG who can handle a lot of responsibility and carry teammates. 

I hear you, but this is really the first season he's been able to have that authority. Maybe he won't ever develop those traits, but in the past he's never had to be a leader. He's been fighting essentially his whole career to get to where he is now. Even last year he was auditioning to be our long-term PG moving forward. I know some guys are born leaders, but I think it's too soon to say Dennis can't ever become one in his own way.

 

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[TheNorthCydeRises]

Shaky start, but a strong finish at the end.

 

[benhillboy]

He’s getting that stock up.  It’s high time we get proper compensation back for a valuable asset.  I don’t think Dennis is in Schlenk’s future plans at all.  Our GM is surely a hardcore analytics guy coming from GS and I’m guessing a pretty staunch defensive guy.  Dennis will never be an analytic darling or defensive standout.  Plus who are we kidding?  Bud could turn Taylor into a “starter” just as easily as he has Dennis.  And Kyle. And Sap.  And DeMarre.  And Dedmon.  And etc, etc.

Edited December 3, 2017 by benhillboy

[TheNorthCydeRises]

1 hour ago, benhillboy said:

He’s getting that stock up.  It’s high time we get proper compensation back for a valuable asset.  I don’t think Dennis is in Schlenk’s future plans at all.  Our GM is surely a hardcore analytics guy coming from GS and I’m guessing a pretty staunch defensive guy.  Dennis will never be an analytic darling or defensive standout.  Plus who are we kidding?  Bud could turn Taylor into a “starter” just as easily as he has Dennis.  And Kyle. And Sap.  And DeMarre.  And Dedmon.  And etc, etc.

Proper compensation . . . as in . . . ?

[TheNorthCydeRises]

Point guards in Hawks HISTORY ( STL - Milwaukee - Tri-City - Atlanta ) . . that have averaged 20 ppg - 6 asst - and had a PER of at least 18, in a season

Pete Maravich ( 1972 - 73 )

Dennis Schröder ( 2017 - 18 )

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&season_start=1&season_end=-1&lg_id=NBA&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_playoffs=N&height_min=0&height_max=99&franch_id=ATL&birth_country_is=Y&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&c1stat=pts_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=20&c2stat=ast_per_g&c2comp=gt&c2val=6&c3stat=per&c3comp=gt&c3val=18&order_by=ws

 

[marco102]

1 hour ago, benhillboy said:

He’s getting that stock up.  It’s high time we get proper compensation back for a valuable asset.  I don’t think Dennis is in Schlenk’s future plans at all.  Our GM is surely a hardcore analytics guy coming from GS and I’m guessing a pretty staunch defensive guy.  Dennis will never be an analytic darling or defensive standout.  Plus who are we kidding?  Bud could turn Taylor into a “starter” just as easily as he has Dennis.  And Kyle. And Sap.  And DeMarre.  And Dedmon.  And etc, etc.

Stahhhp it!