Can you call out the Hawks errors???

[Diesel]

Let's ask this question..

Over the last ten years... what are some of the mistakes that the Hawks have made??

I already know that everybody will say resigning Baze... so let's take that off the table... what are some of the others. 

[TheNorthCydeRises]

Trading Dwight for pennies on the dollar, when they could've received something more significant had they just waited.  The same with the Joe Johnson trade.  In both instances, the new GM was so quick to sell of what they thought was a bad contract ( or a detriment to their new plan ), that they took far less than what the player was actually work.

Franchises like the Rockets don't do things like that.  Boston definitely didn't do it. 

[Peoriabird]

Making Bud president of basketball operations/defacto GM which led to

1) The signing of Baze to that extension

2) Signing Delaney as the backup point guard

3) Trading Kelly Oubre away for nothing.

4) Allowing Al to walk for nothing

5) Not moving Millsap at the trade deadline which essentially led to him walking for nothing.

5) The signing of Dwight Howard and then deciding that he wasn't his kind of player.

Note: This all happened in 1 year.

 

[Thomas]

Add a couple of years to that timeline and taking potential over CP3 drowns all of the other stuff. It will also be remembered the longest of all of them with Al walking away for nothing in return as a fairly close second. So if its just the last ten years I think losing Al like that is the biggest mistake and certainly the most painful finger in our eye. Plus the Celtics were involved so you know...

[LucastheThird]

2 hours ago, Peoriabird said:

Making Bud president of basketball operations/defacto GM which led to

1) The signing of Baze to that extension

2) Signing Delaney as the backup point guard

3) Trading Kelly Oubre away for nothing.

4) Allowing Al to walk for nothing

5) Not moving Millsap at the trade deadline which essentially led to him walking for nothing.

5) The signing of Dwight Howard and then deciding that he wasn't his kind of player.

Note: This all happened in 1 year.

 

That's the end of the thread. Bud was a horrible President of basketball operations

[MaceCase]

In retrospect, not blowing up the 60 win team.  2 months defined the whole franchise trajectory.

Going slightly further back, not letting Joe walk and not blowing up WLOC.

[hazer]

Not doing WHATEVER it took to move up in front of Milwaukee to snag The Grik Frik, knowing that Drew knew we were going to pick him...

[Sothron]

3 hours ago, Peoriabird said:

Making Bud president of basketball operations/defacto GM which led to

1) The signing of Baze to that extension

2) Signing Delaney as the backup point guard

3) Trading Kelly Oubre away for nothing.

4) Allowing Al to walk for nothing

5) Not moving Millsap at the trade deadline which essentially led to him walking for nothing.

5) The signing of Dwight Howard and then deciding that he wasn't his kind of player.

Note: This all happened in 1 year.

 

All of this. Bud was a disaster as the president/GM. We let two multiple All Star big men walk for NOTHING in back to back off seasons. That is unforgivable from any front office.

[Diesel]

5 hours ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

Trading Dwight for pennies on the dollar, when they could've received something more significant had they just waited.  The same with the Joe Johnson trade.  In both instances, the new GM was so quick to sell of what they thought was a bad contract ( or a detriment to their new plan ), that they took far less than what the player was actually work.

Franchises like the Rockets don't do things like that.  Boston definitely didn't do it. 

Yeah.. The Dwight trade was us paying to give him away... It was terrible..

[Diesel]

5 hours ago, Peoriabird said:

Making Bud president of basketball operations/defacto GM which led to

1) The signing of Baze to that extension

2) Signing Delaney as the backup point guard

3) Trading Kelly Oubre away for nothing.

4) Allowing Al to walk for nothing

5) Not moving Millsap at the trade deadline which essentially led to him walking for nothing.

5) The signing of Dwight Howard and then deciding that he wasn't his kind of player.

Note: This all happened in 1 year.

 

Oubre's trade made sense if we had plans for THJ.  But with no plans for THJr, that trade was stupid.  I also agree that we should have moved Milsap if we had no plans for him to the future. 

[Diesel]

2 hours ago, MaceCase said:

In retrospect, not blowing up the 60 win team.  2 months defined the whole franchise trajectory.

Going slightly further back, not letting Joe walk and not blowing up WLOC.

No.. We did blow up the 60 win team.  We should not have.  DMC meant a lot.  Korver meant a lot.  Even Whoreford meant a lot to the success of that squad.  

[hazer]

1 hour ago, Diesel said:

Even Whoreford meant a lot to the success of that squad.  

That's "Alice Whorefart" around these parts, okay and thanks.....

[NBASupes]

Not moving up to take Giannis. That's pretty the main domino.  Everything else is a side effect. 

[MaceCase]

2 hours ago, Diesel said:

No.. We did blow up the 60 win team.  We should not have.  DMC meant a lot.  Korver meant a lot.  Even Whoreford meant a lot to the success of that squad.  

No they didn't.  Those guys were all held onto instead of traded at the peak of their value because of the win streak.  They never proved that they could win at that level beforehand or afterwards yet the Hawks paid the price for trying to hold onto them only to watch them leave or get traded years later for next to no return.

[Watchman]

10 minutes ago, MaceCase said:

No they didn't.  Those guys were all held onto instead of traded at the peak of their value because of the win streak.  They never proved that they could win at that level beforehand or afterwards yet the Hawks paid the price for trying to hold onto them only to watch them leave or get traded years later for next to no return.

Plus,  we couldn't sign Demarre and Millsap both.  We picked correctly in my judgment.

[Sothron]

We could never have kept Demarre because of the CBA. If nothing else we'd still have all four if they wanted to cling to them with both Horford and Millsap making supermax money both over the age of thirty. Yeah...I think we made the right call there but we should have flipped them for max value. Instead we got ZIPPO for both of them.

[Watchman]

I'd throw in there, firing Ferry and replacing him with Bud.

[hazer]

We have a 23 year old DMC on our roster, on a much more affordable rookie contract:

http://bkref.com/tiny/M0tL6

Edited November 21, 2017 by hazer

[Diesel]

48 minutes ago, MaceCase said:

No they didn't.  Those guys were all held onto instead of traded at the peak of their value because of the win streak.  They never proved that they could win at that level beforehand or afterwards yet the Hawks paid the price for trying to hold onto them only to watch them leave or get traded years later for next to no return.

Maybe this is the problem.   You never understood why that team won.   Each player played an important role and they all were irreplaceable.  Yet, we tried to replace them.   We should have never let Sap make it to the offseason without making a deal with either him or DeMarr and talked one of them into taking a one year deal so that we could offer a better deal the next year. 

[MaceCase]

1 hour ago, Diesel said:

Maybe this is the problem.   You never understood why that team won.   Each player played an important role and they all were irreplaceable.  Yet, we tried to replace them.   We should have never let Sap make it to the offseason without making a deal with either him or DeMarr and talked one of them into taking a one year deal so that we could offer a better deal the next year. 

I understood completely why they won, they played well above their heads as well oiled parts of a Ferrari engine.  Lose one part, let another rust, and yet another pick up grime and you have a $400,000 paperweight.  The Hawks failed to capitalize on the players' value, the players OTOH did not make such a mistake and they and their families are all too grateful for it.