hazer Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 8 hours ago, AHF said: Personally, I want to keep him. I like our odds of keeping him better after next year when we have added more talent and could be looking to shift into a winning phase of our rebuild. I don't think we will be ready to make that shift this next season which makes keeping Dedmon more of a tenuous prospect. Eggzactamundo. The perfect Hawks C going forward. Paired with Menace, Doncicci, Fresh Printz, and J-Bap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazer Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 9 hours ago, Peoriabird said: If Bud is all that then... Just replace “bet” with “Bud”, it’s a trigger.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazer Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 5 hours ago, StephenHawking said: I think selling Dedmon depends on who we want to draft. If we draft Ayton I'd sell high on Dedmon now. If we get Doncic I'd try to hold on Bingo. Draft Doncicci and keep Dedmon Ain’t Walking... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBac Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 14 hours ago, StephenHawking said: I think selling Dedmon depends on who we want to draft. If we draft Ayton I'd sell high on Dedmon now. If we get Doncic I'd try to hold on I think it's the other way around tbh... Dedmon has the edge that Ayton lacks. That's exactly who he would be a great mentor for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frosgrim Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 40 minutes ago, DBac said: I think it's the other way around tbh... Dedmon has the edge that Ayton lacks. That's exactly who he would be a great mentor for. I agree, you can keep Dedmon independent of who we draft. Ayton has a lot to learn about basketball and Dedmon would be a good mentor for him. I'm concerned about Ayton's lack of consistent aggressiveness and assertiveness. However, he's 18 going on 19 and is still learning. If we get him, I hope that issue is cured by maturity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecampster Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 On 1/5/2018 at 9:13 AM, NBASupes said: I don't want another Dwight trade, we need value back. Not junk Just imagine if we had Dwight right now. Could we be pulling more in trade for him now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenHawking Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 vor 16 Stunden, Peoriabird sagte: We will not have the top pick in this year's draft. Our pick will be 4 or 5 I can see us pulling a couple of trades at the deadline to ensure the pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 42 minutes ago, thecampster said: Just imagine if we had Dwight right now. Could we be pulling more in trade for him now? Probably not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Peoriabird Posted January 17, 2018 Premium Member Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 54 minutes ago, StephenHawking said: I can see us pulling a couple of trades at the deadline to ensure the pick Doubt it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lethalweapon3 Posted January 17, 2018 Author Moderators Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 Alex Kennedy's been busy with the Hawks of late, Here's his thoughts re: Belly ~lw3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFuzz Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 If we're willing to take on some salary I'm sure we'll be able to pull a couple of picks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted January 17, 2018 Moderators Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 3 hours ago, thecampster said: Just imagine if we had Dwight right now. Could we be pulling more in trade for him now? We'll see if Charlotte gets calls for him. I doubt it. With Dwight, they have gone from a positive point differential last season to a negative one this year. This year their shooting is worse from 2pt range and the line and they are simultaneously way down on assists while being way up on turnovers. Defensively, they are giving up 1 full point more per game while being significantly down on steals and blocks. Opponents have had a better FG% on 2pt shots and a huge 10% jump on free throws made. On the plus side, Dwight has led to better rebounding. It just doesn't seem to have improved the team. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, AHF said: We'll see if Charlotte gets calls for him. I doubt it. With Dwight, they have gone from a positive point differential last season to a negative one this year. This year their shooting is worse from 2pt range and the line and they are simultaneously way down on assists while being way up on turnovers. Defensively, they are giving up 1 full point more per game while being significantly down on steals and blocks. Opponents have had a better FG% on 2pt shots and a huge 10% jump on free throws made. On the plus side, Dwight has led to better rebounding. It just doesn't seem to have improved the team. Funnily enough, Charlotte has actually finally played to their "potential" over the last two games (including the one tonight). I'll give them props for it. If Charlotte was playing like this more with Dwight playing well (which from the way it looks, he was great today and in their last game), maybe it restores his rep but his rep is still as good as long gone. Edited January 18, 2018 by Lurker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecampster Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 Consider the post from purely a value perspective. Could we have gotten more long term value right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 4 hours ago, thecampster said: Consider the post from purely a value perspective. Could we have gotten more long term value right now. IF we're playing the game that Charlotte themselves has looked as good as they have all year in the last two games with Dwight playing well then absolutely YES. But since they haven't, the answer at this moment is no. Sorry. It is yes though after the season when it becomes an expiring contract, you are correct... Remember what he's viewed badly for today. Teams will look through the improved down and dirty stats with him (being pumped up by more possessions) and see how the team is doing and ask themselves "Has he really impacted the team in a positive way?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 (edited) On 1/17/2018 at 1:59 PM, NBASupes said: Probably not Lol, there was an article on realgm that said no one wants Charlottes bullshit https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/248656/Hornets-Have-Tried-To-Trade-Nicolas-Batum-Dwight-Howard-Marvin-Williams-Kidd-Gilchrist Edited January 19, 2018 by NBASupes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurider05 Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 Quote While the Charlotte Hornets are prepared to trade franchise cornerstone Kemba Walker, they previously made a number of other players available in trade talks. League sources say the Hornets have explored trades involving Nicolas Batum, Dwight Howard, Marvin Williams and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, but there was little interest from rival teams. Batum is owed $100 million over four seasons while Howard has $47 million over two years, and Williams is owed $42 million over three years. Kidd-Gilchrist has $39 million over three years on his rookie scale extension. We can't become them. poor Dwight!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Sothron Posted January 19, 2018 Premium Member Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 Charlotte will bundle at least one of those deals with Kemba. They would be fools not to at least get rid of one bad contract to go with Kemba. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High5 Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 I have no ill will towards Dwight, but there was so much said about that trade that seemed so wrong to me (and many others). "Clifford is going to unleash the beast!" "The Hawks gave away an asset!" Well, here we are with Dwight performing worse across the board and the Hornets officially(ish) trying to blow everything up. The pick swap was strange to me at the time, but I guess if we end up flipping Marco for pick then we gained some value there. Hopefully there's enough cushion between us once the Bobcats return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lethalweapon3 Posted January 30, 2018 Author Moderators Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 "Who will buy my sweet red roses? Two blooms for a penny!" ~schl3nk More conjecture, this time from Kevin O'Connor at The Ringer... https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/1/29/16944074/nba-trade-deadline-primer Quote The Raptors and Rockets both went all in at the 2017 deadline, dealing for Serge Ibaka and Lou Williams, respectively, but they don’t have first-round picks in the 2018 draft, which will make it harder to find a deal. Daryl Morey and Masai Ujiri are on the phones like they always are, but the path to a deal isn’t quite as clear as last season. Sam Presti will encounter the same issue. Adding a production wing or forward was already a need for the Thunder, and losing Andre Roberson for the season with a ruptured patellar tendon on Saturday night underlines that weakness. They’d love to add a wing like Tyreke Evans, but they’ll likely have to settle for someone like Marco Belinelli, who isn’t a significant upgrade over their existing options. Quote Teams looking to make a splash should contact the Hawks. As ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski previously reported, Kent Bazemore, Ersan Ilyasova, and Belinelli are on the block. Big man Mike Muscala has also generated light interest. Another name that could also be moved? Dennis Schröder. Though Schröder is only 24, he’s not part of the Hawks’ long-term equation with his inconsistent, inefficient performance. However, any move involving Schröder is more likely to happen in the summer. As it stands, teams in need of a point guard may prefer to hold onto cap space for someone like Isaiah Thomas or Elfrid Payton or hope they can land Collin Sexton or Trae Young in the draft. But if they strike out, there will be more suitors in July than there are now. The Hawks are trying to reload for the next decade, and general manager Travis Schlenk will continue to reshape the roster to add fuel to their tank. The big question is whether coach Mike Budenholzer will want to stick around for a rebuild, especially after losing his front-office powers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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