NBASupes Posted June 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2018 Just now, AHF said: One of my worries that sticks out more for Bamba than anyone else is that he is both the oldest of all the elite prospects and the guy who is most raw in terms of skills and BBIQ. He has the best physical tools of anyone in the draft but the farthest to go as a basketball player, IMO. He is a player everyone knew Basketball wasn't a passion but with money and objective, is he more Hageman for the Falcons or Dontari Poe for the Chiefs. The Hope is that he's Poe. His best play is ahead of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted June 18, 2018 Moderators Report Share Posted June 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, NBASupes said: He is a player everyone knew Basketball wasn't a passion but with money and objective, is he more Hageman for the Falcons or Dontari Poe for the Chiefs. The Hope is that he's Poe. His best play is ahead of him. He has all the tools to get there but he needs both the passion and to develop the instinct because I think pre-draft he clearly doesn't have the natural vision for where to be on the floor and how the play will flow that many of the greats do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted June 18, 2018 Report Share Posted June 18, 2018 11 minutes ago, AHF said: One of my worries that sticks out more for Bamba than anyone else is that he is both the oldest of all the elite prospects and the guy who is most raw in terms of skills and BBIQ. He has the best physical tools of anyone in the draft but the farthest to go as a basketball player, IMO. This is what cooled me off of Bamba in the last 48 hours lol...we know he’s intelligent, that’s wonderful. We know he has the physical tools, also great, but we can’t ignore the fact that his offensive game is super raw and in today’s nba, you need offense. No matter how good your D is, it might not matter if you can’t score the ball on the other end. I mean the Jazz were ok with Gobert, but when they got Donovan, they seemed to go to a different level as a team. Unfortunately we don’t have a Donovan Mitchell so things could get ugly in a hurry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathan2331 Posted June 18, 2018 Report Share Posted June 18, 2018 This is what cooled me off of Bamba in the last 48 hours lol...we know he’s intelligent, that’s wonderful. We know he has the physical tools, also great, but we can’t ignore the fact that his offensive game is super raw and in today’s nba, you need offense. No matter how good your D is, it might not matter if you can’t score the ball on the other end. I mean the Jazz were ok with Gobert, but when they got Donovan, they seemed to go to a different level as a team. Unfortunately we don’t have a Donovan Mitchell so things could get ugly in a hurry. Bamba isn't going to carry us, but I don't think we need that guy this year if he's not available. I get that we need a bucket getter, but you need quality players in other positions too. Next year is heavy on wings, we can hopefully get one then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted June 18, 2018 Report Share Posted June 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, nathan2331 said: 5 minutes ago, Spud2nique said: This is what cooled me off of Bamba in the last 48 hours lol...we know he’s intelligent, that’s wonderful. We know he has the physical tools, also great, but we can’t ignore the fact that his offensive game is super raw and in today’s nba, you need offense. No matter how good your D is, it might not matter if you can’t score the ball on the other end. I mean the Jazz were ok with Gobert, but when they got Donovan, they seemed to go to a different level as a team. Unfortunately we don’t have a Donovan Mitchell so things could get ugly in a hurry. Bamba isn't going to carry us, but I don't think we need that guy this year if he's not available. I get that we need a bucket getter, but you need quality players in other positions too. Next year is heavy on wings, we can hopefully get one then. Yup we aren’t in a hurry. The goal is to make a playoff run in 2019-20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted June 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2018 19 minutes ago, AHF said: He has all the tools to get there but he needs both the passion and to develop the instinct because I think pre-draft he clearly doesn't have the natural vision for where to be on the floor and how the play will flow that many of the greats do. I agree. He is in the high risk category for me with Trae Young. I love Bamba but even I admit, I'll rather move up for him than take him at #3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted June 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 @Spud2nique I recorded the show. It sounded okay. I want to clean it up. Might shorten up the show for public consumption. I'll send you the link personally for the long ep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, NBASupes said: @Spud2nique I recorded the show. It sounded okay. I want to clean it up. Might shorten up the show for public consumption. I'll send you the link personally for the long ep. Nice work! Ya let me peep it once you’re done. Also, I think I’ve narrowed my list.. Bagley Doncic Trae Porter I’m cutting Bamba. Don’t get me wrong, I’d still like him in a scenario where we pick up a Luka or Trae but I’m not sure I want Bamba alone at #3. 4 players for that #3 pick now for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted June 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 Understood. My #3 pick is really just two players. Doncic or Bagley. Wildcard: Bamba #4 is Bamba I still want Young but not in the top 5. If he falls outside of the top 10, I would vastly consider. I think #4 is the most likely pick to trade into the top 10 with for what assets we have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, NBASupes said: Understood. My #3 pick is really just two players. Doncic or Bagley. Wildcard: Bamba #4 is Bamba I still want Young but not in the top 5. If he falls outside of the top 10, I would vastly consider. I think #4 is the most likely pick to trade into the top 10 with for what assets we have. I honestly think Schlenk loves Doncic the most. Schlenk also started out his career with Don Nelson who was big on international players..had one of the pioneers in Sarunas with the scrubs in the 90’s and then Dirk with the Mavs. Doncic might be the unicorn ? of the draft. I would hate to miss out on the next Derek Nowinski.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 9 minutes ago, NBASupes said: Understood. My #3 pick is really just two players. Doncic or Bagley. Wildcard: Bamba #4 is Bamba I still want Young but not in the top 5. If he falls outside of the top 10, I would vastly consider. I think #4 is the most likely pick to trade into the top 10 with for what assets we have. I also really want the Hawks to be part of the puma JayZ Bagley brand moving forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecampster Posted June 19, 2018 Report Share Posted June 19, 2018 15 hours ago, NBASupes said: Nope. He was the first of his kind. Kevin Johnson was the first of his kind. A PG who was a great athlete that had PG skills. Then we got the Steve Francis, Baron Davis which lead to the Rose, Westbrook and Walls of the world. AHEM..cough, cough 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLien_ Posted June 20, 2018 Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 On 6/17/2018 at 11:44 AM, benhillboy said: Yup, see Donovan Mitchell. If anyone here had him lighting sh@t up like Wade with a 3 in his first season I’ll take their word in this year’s draft. Hate to toot my own horn, but you asked. Jerome Robinson is the guy I think can have a Donovan Mitchell type impact this year if he goes to the right team. He looks like he's a NBA 3 level scorer to me. Not the athlete or defender that Mitchell is, but he's solid defensively and is a pretty good athlete. I think he will score more efficiently than Mitchell. My quotes on Donovan Mitchell last year before the draft. I have to just copy the text because I can't figure out how to copy the whole quote with timestamp from another thread. Quote I really want to the Hawks to trade up for Lauri Markkanen, Donovan Mitchell or John Collins in that order, but I don't think we will. Markkanen looks like he's going top 10 now, but I believe to get Donovan Mitchell we would need to trade up to the Pistons spot as I think they will take him. We can probably get John Collins with Denver's pick. If the Hawks do trade up they'll probably take Frank Ntilikina who has European Iman Shumpert written all over him. Quote Yes I think in general guys that can score and shoot are rising because so many teams lack scoring and shooting. Should sound familiar to Hawks fans. Guys that project as defensive rebounders with less polished offense are falling. Donovan Mitchell is sky rocketing because he projects to do both. Quote Guys we would have trade up for. Lauri Markkanen – Would be a star in coach Bud’s system. Perfect fit for Bud. Donovan Mitchell – Poor Man’s D-Wade or rich man’s Eric Gordon with D. John Collins – Super productive big that needs to get better on D, but has the physical tools to be a good defender. Will eventually stretch out to NBA 3. Zach Collins – I’m not as high on him as everyone else, but he you would need to trade up to get him. Quote I think the three biggest weaknesses of this team right now are outside shooting, ball handling, and lack of shot creators. We really don't have a single player that can just ISO and get their shot. This is one of the reasons I wanted us to trade up for Donovan Mitchell because he checked all 3 of these boxes plus added defense. Before people bring up Dennis let me say he really is a straight line driver, that's really fast. He has very little wiggle or deception(change of speed) to his game. I don't consider him to be an above average shot creator. This last quote is from July 12 2017 just after the draft. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorthCydeRises Posted June 20, 2018 Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 On 6/17/2018 at 3:36 PM, JayBirdHawk said: I don't watch enough college ball for this. I just want 'THE' guy that will move us in the right direction. All these players have strengths and definitely weakness they need to work on. There are no LBJs in this draft - what we need us for who ever we pick to exceed expections and make those around him better. While I do follow college ball, I completely agree with your post. I want THE guy. I honestly could care less what a guy's weakness is, as long as their main strength is superstar like. There are normally 2 "special" players in each draft. We need the Hawks to take one of the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted June 20, 2018 Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 1 minute ago, TheNorthCydeRises said: While I do follow college ball, I completely agree with your post. I want THE guy. I honestly could care less what a guy's weakness is, as long as their main strength is superstar like. There are normally 2 "special" players in each draft. We need the Hawks to take one of the two. Just 2? I was gonna say 3 or 4. Agree with you guys I want a superstar. Since I became a fan 33 years ago we’ve had 1. That is the saddest thing ever. Even my Detroit Lions had 2. Smh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted June 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 47 minutes ago, ATLien_ said: Hate to toot my own horn, but you asked. Jerome Robinson is the guy I think can have a Donovan Mitchell type impact this year if he goes to the right team. He looks like he's a NBA 3 level scorer to me. Not the athlete or defender that Mitchell is, but he's solid defensively and is a pretty good athlete. I think he will score more efficiently than Mitchell. My quotes on Donovan Mitchell last year before the draft. I have to just copy the text because I can't figure out how to copy the whole quote with timestamp from another thread. This last quote is from July 12 2017 just after the draft. He tremendously improved even by your expectations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLien_ Posted June 20, 2018 Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 16 minutes ago, NBASupes said: He tremendously improved even by your expectations I think he just went to a situation where he got a tremendous amount of shots. I knew he would benefit from NBA spacing, but I didn't know he would be this clutch and mentally tough. I knew he was athletic, but that 1 hand put back in the playoffs, I didn't know he had that in him. I think decreasing his usage next year and allowing him to be more selective with his shots will make him better and more valuable. Utah needs to add a second scorer to go with him. I could see them going after Jabari Parker this off season, they have the defenders to hide him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted August 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2020 On 6/17/2018 at 1:30 AM, NBASupes said: Ayton- Strengths: Strength Coordination Body Control Size/Length/Hands Touch Projectability Speed for size Rim running Confidence Improvement Areas: Movement on offense and defense Using his athletic ability on defense Aggressiveness when rebounding Awareness in general Aggressiveness in positioning for post feed Vision Communication Impact? Does he want to win. Scheme versatile Doncic: Strengths: Strength Coordination Body Control Court Vision Skill Crafty Movement Shot-making ability Ball handling Passing when keeping it simple Clutch Confidence Improvement Areas: Very poor Lateral quickness Closeout Speed (Equivalent to Kyle Korver) Speed Doesn't deal with full court pressure well Flashy passer but causing turnover No defensive position (not just positionless) Inconsistent shooter Projectability isn't high at all. Bagley Strengths: Elite RARE Athlete (First Step, Quickness, Agility, Speed, Lateral Quickness, Acceleration, Explosiveness, jumping) Coordination Body Control Finishing in the paint Aggressiveness Movement Natural Scorer Ball handling for position Stamina Feel for the game on offense Motor Confidence Toughness Hands Improvement Areas: Strength Defensive Awareness Situational Awareness on offense Off ball defense Paint Protection Finishing with right hand Not as comfortable attacking with right hand Lacking advanced skills for a scorer. Shot blocking aggressiveness in college Communication on defense Body? Wingspan? Overconfidence? Very coachable but does he receive information and process it quickly? We seen him handle a mass amount of responsibility but he wasn't effective at it on defense? Sign of more to come or can he improve it? Bamba Strengths: Elite RARE Length with Athleticism Agility 2nd step Finishing in the paint Paint Protection - His best trait Shot blocking Handles a great deal of responsibility without fouling and showed improvement. Intelligence and quick mental processing Open court speed is exceptional Confidence Willingness to bang regardless of size of the attacker Toughness Plays with his length and athletic ability Explosive in space Does never seen before things Standing reach and geometry radius covers a lot of ground on offense and defense, when he polished, he will be a nightmare. Shooting touch and exit look good Struggled more than most 1st rounders in the 1st half of the season but was superior in conference play. Pigeonholing him will be a mistake. Let him loose. Adjusting Lack of flaws offensively give you hope that he can become a 20 PPG scorer one day. Maybe sooner than later. Everyone has fought for him who vetted him. Well liked. Mature Improvement Areas: Stamina Feel for the game on offense and defense Inconsistent Motor First step but it's never really good for guys his height and frame Inconsistent hands Offensive and defensive polish Frame? Too thin lower body. Limits his low post defensive ceiling Shooting speed is slow and his shooting footwork is poor, seems to have cleaned it up recently Passing dribbling into traffic finishing in traffic Basketball focus before the NCAA's was not there. He was more of a studious individual. Is this person he has shown us during this process the real him? Too kind? doesn't play like it in my eyes Split personality like CP3? JJJ Strengths: Body Defensive awareness Jump/run athlete Great defending with length Uses tools well on defense Gives great effort on defense and communicates consistently Quick reaction skills Rare passion that he brings to the defensive end of the court Shows three point consistency good ball handling ability when given space Shot blocking especially weakside Projectibility Team player Coachable Improvement Areas: Coordination Body Control Core Strength Feel for the game on offense Screen setting Ability to attack in traffic Ability to finish through contact Passing NBA Readiness? Low post defending Foul prone especially when defending in space Doesn't rely on instincts to defend the post as much as he does on assignment Shooting Form (Translate?) Confidence? Toughness? Trae Young Strengths: Scoring Passing Vision Work Ethic Will to win Burst off the screen Shooting from range Shooting when open Competitiveness Did I say scoring? Ability to run the PnR/PnP Deep range passing, will expose lazy defense (talking to you, Mo Bamba) "Ryan Cameron voice" Coachable Improvement Areas: Passion about defense Lateral Quickness isn't terrible but doesn't really use it Wingspan Body? Ability to run a complex offense NBA Readiness Defensive awareness Offense is his best defense Can be selfish at times, not a player stars like playing with. Might need to put him around movement players and paint protectors. Not just rim protectors but paint protector. You need to be able to cut off the lane with him like Deke with Iverson. Finishing through contact Defensive energy Advanced PG skills Ability to run an offense that doesn't revolve around him Decision making when teams cut off his options. Next tomorrow will be Porter Jr, Carter Jr, the Bridges, and Sexton Where did I miss? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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benhillboy Posted August 31, 2020 Report Share Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) On 8/30/2020 at 7:04 AM, NBASupes said: Where did I miss? I don’t watch those other guys but Trae and Doncic evaluations were 95% spot on. Only thing you missed was making the players’ names easier to find through the indentations and bolding lol. Edited August 31, 2020 by benhillboy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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