Moderators macdaddy Posted July 6, 2018 Moderators Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 Ah! how do you delete a post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benhillboy Posted July 6, 2018 Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 3 hours ago, Sothron said: Welll...Minnesota just made the playoffs in the first time in forever and Denver is the most fun team to watch in the NBA (seriously not kidding). Maybe watch some other teams? Just because you love the Hawks doesn't mean you can't watch some other cats play. Been hearing reports my boy Jimmy wants out. He ain’t built for mediocrity. Denver though? I don’t get to see them much but when I did Sap looked like sh@t and I can’t tell Murray from Harris. Barton looks like a mercenary, everyone looks to the C to make a play, and Faried has died apparently. They’re a weird watch for me. Philly with Illy and Belli, Utah with Rubio off the floor, GS with KD off, Celtics featuring Tatum, and Miami were my favorite watches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBac Posted July 6, 2018 Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 Frank Ntilikina tomorrow. Trae playing well vs him would buy a lot of good will because this dude has given top NBA talents problems. Was listening to Chouinard's podcast, Hawks practice environment for Utah was apparently not ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Sothron Posted July 6, 2018 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 10 minutes ago, benhillboy said: Been hearing reports my boy Jimmy wants out. He ain’t built for mediocrity. Denver though? I don’t get to see them much but when I did Sap looked like sh@t and I can’t tell Murray from Harris. Barton looks like a mercenary, everyone looks to the C to make a play, and Faried has died apparently. They’re a weird watch for me. Philly with Illy and Belli, Utah with Rubio off the floor, GS with KD off, Celtics featuring Tatum, and Miami were my favorite watches. Sap looked good when he wasn't recovering from a wrist fracture that cost him most of the season. Gary Harris is really good, highly efficient player. Murry is good but he has to play PG instead of his natural SG position. Barton is a flat out killer off the bench, now he gets to start. Faried has no place in the rotation with all the PF/C they can bring off the bench that can pass and hit three's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benhillboy Posted July 6, 2018 Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 11 minutes ago, Sothron said: Sap looked good when he wasn't recovering from a wrist fracture that cost him most of the season. Gary Harris is really good, highly efficient player. Murry is good but he has to play PG instead of his natural SG position. Barton is a flat out killer off the bench, now he gets to start. Faried has no place in the rotation with all the PF/C they can bring off the bench that can pass and hit three's. Harris’ shooting is super efficient. Imma need him to hit the glass and get to the line a little more in 34 minutes for a 6’4”, 210 Mich State guy though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Sothron Posted July 6, 2018 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 23 minutes ago, benhillboy said: Harris’ shooting is super efficient. Imma need him to hit the glass and get to the line a little more in 34 minutes for a 6’4”, 210 Mich State guy though. You haven't seen him cut to the basket with those sweet passes from Jokic? He's also not going to hit the boards when they have Jokic and Millsap getting all the boards. Harris is the best defensive wing so he's running back to prevent transition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted July 6, 2018 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 59 minutes ago, macdaddy said: It's that tiny, huh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benhillboy Posted July 6, 2018 Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 11 minutes ago, Sothron said: You haven't seen him cut to the basket with those sweet passes from Jokic? He's also not going to hit the boards when they have Jokic and Millsap getting all the boards. Harris is the best defensive wing so he's running back to prevent transition. Even though he’s getting up there I would’ve thought it was Chandler. Basic defensive box says so but most other on/off stats favor Harris. I’m guessing he guards multiple positions more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonkers Posted July 6, 2018 Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 1 hour ago, DBac said: Frank Ntilikina tomorrow. Trae playing well vs him would buy a lot of good will because this dude has given top NBA talents problems. Was listening to Chouinard's podcast, Hawks practice environment for Utah was apparently not ideal. Can u elaborate on this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted July 6, 2018 Moderators Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 46 minutes ago, Sothron said: Sap looked good when he wasn't recovering from a wrist fracture that cost him most of the season. Gary Harris is really good, highly efficient player. Murry is good but he has to play PG instead of his natural SG position. Barton is a flat out killer off the bench, now he gets to start. Faried has no place in the rotation with all the PF/C they can bring off the bench that can pass and hit three's. Sap was having a down year before the injury - worse than the prior season which was also a down year. In the 16 games prior to injury he averaged: 15.3 ppg on 44.5% FG% / 34% 3pt% 6.2 rpg 3.0 apg / 2.1 topg 0.4 spg 0.6 bpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Sothron Posted July 6, 2018 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 13 minutes ago, benhillboy said: Even though he’s getting up there I would’ve thought it was Chandler. Basic defensive box says so but most other on/off stats favor Harris. I’m guessing he guards multiple positions more. He does. He's easily the best defensive wing on the Nuggs. Chandler was a complete let down last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Sothron Posted July 6, 2018 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 Just now, AHF said: Sap was having a down year before the injury - worse than the prior season which was also a down year. In the 16 games prior to injury he averaged: 15.3 ppg on 44.5% FG% / 34% 3pt% 6.2 rpg 3.0 apg / 2.1 topg 0.4 spg 0.6 bpg He also picked those numbers up when he came bcak from the injury and got the rust off. The only reason the Nuggs missed the playoffs by one game last season was due to Millsap missing most of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted July 6, 2018 Moderators Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 Just now, Sothron said: He also picked those numbers up when he came bcak from the injury and got the rust off. The only reason the Nuggs missed the playoffs by one game last season was due to Millsap missing most of the season. He returned Feb 27. Discounting his first 2 weeks for acclimation, he averaged the following has last 16 games of the season: 14.3 ppg on 48.3% FG% / 30.0% 3pt% 6.8 rpg 2.7 apg / 1.8 topg 0.9 bpg 0.9 spg That is not much different and still way down for him. It was a bad season for Sap all around. That is why it was a career low or near career low in a bunch of categories (including per minute categories). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Sothron Posted July 6, 2018 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 He's not going to get the same shots on a stacked Nuggets team and his boards dropped because Jokic was stationary around the rim while they used Millsap for weak side help. He looked like pretty much the same old Millsap to me outside the first ten games when he was trying to gel with Jokic and then coming back from the injury. Hopefully this season he can stay healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benhillboy Posted July 6, 2018 Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, AHF said: He returned Feb 27. Discounting his first 2 weeks for acclimation, he averaged the following has last 16 games of the season: 14.3 ppg on 48.3% FG% / 30.0% 3pt% 6.8 rpg 2.7 apg / 1.8 topg 0.9 bpg 0.9 spg That is not much different and still way down for him. It was a bad season for Sap all around. That is why it was a career low or near career low in a bunch of categories (including per minute categories). Those numbers reek of “I got my money.” It’s no secret Bud’s a hardass on his players. He’d naturally take a step back. We could make a case for a couple years he was the most well-rounded 4 going. Now he seems to be just a Jokic compliment. 3 minutes ago, Sothron said: He's not going to get the same shots on a stacked Nuggets team and his boards dropped because Jokic was stationary around the rim while they used Millsap for weak side help. He looked like pretty much the same old Millsap to me outside the first ten games when he was trying to gel with Jokic and then coming back from the injury. Hopefully this season he can stay healthy. They’re more stacked than a team with 3 additional All-Stars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted July 6, 2018 Moderators Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 7 minutes ago, Sothron said: He's not going to get the same shots on a stacked Nuggets team and his boards dropped because Jokic was stationary around the rim while they used Millsap for weak side help. He looked like pretty much the same old Millsap to me outside the first ten games when he was trying to gel with Jokic and then coming back from the injury. Hopefully this season he can stay healthy. With him taking fewer shots and surrounded by better weapons, I'd expect shot quality to rise and his shooting %s to be at career highs and well above prior seasons where he was higher in the pecking order in Atlanta. He is still a very useful player but he is on the downside of his career and I don't think you'll see him recapture a year like his middle two seasons in Atlanta. I am betting Denver was hoping for more when they signed him for $30M per. If he plays well, I'd expect something like 15 ppg / 7.5 rpg. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted July 6, 2018 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 TY ready for Vegas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Sothron Posted July 6, 2018 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 6 minutes ago, benhillboy said: Those numbers reek of “I got my money.” It’s no secret Bud’s a hardass on his players. He’d naturally take a step back. We could make a case for a couple years he was the most well-rounded 4 going. Now he seems to be just a Jokic compliment. They’re more stacked than a team with 3 additional All-Stars? Millsap was the primary offensive focus in Atlanta. He's never going to be that in Denver. His first ten games he wouldn't get good shots because the ball was slow to come to him. When he finally started clicking, I believe Denver had won five or six in a row before he got hurt with his wrist injury. He then missed most of the season. When he came back he had to work his way back into game shape and refinding a spot in the offense. Age alone is going to diminish him from those peak years here in ATL where I argued then and now that he should have been All NBA at least one season. When you add in playing for a brand new team, system without his being the focus point on offense like he was here and having an injury that cost him most of the season I don't see how anyone can hold him to the same stats he put up in Atlanta. I watch more Nuggets games than anyone on this site. Just like the Wolves for that matter. Just like you were surprised about Chandler not being the best perimeter defender if you watched the games you would have seen he was simply putrid a good stretch of the season. Jokic, Harris, Murray and Barton are what did the work for Denver last year with Millsap coming in late after the injury. Chandler was a negative player on the court. I'm sure @AHF is right that he's not going to be the same player because age is a winner in every argument about player decline. You toss in the first serious injury I can remember from Millsap and it was effectively a lost season for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted July 6, 2018 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 Schedule Reminder for Las Vegas Summer League: July 7: (5:30 p.m. ET) - Hawks vs. Knicks (ESPN) July 8: (5:30 p.m. ET) - Hawks vs. Blazers (ESPN2) July 10: (6:00 p.m. ET) - Hawks vs. Bulls (NBA TV) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Sothron Posted July 6, 2018 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 Here's one thought for everyone who thinks I hate Young: He can't possibly play any worse than he did in Utah. Maybe that was the slap in the arse he needed to get it together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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