Can't call Atlanta cheap anymore

[NBASupes]

We ate both Melo and Bud's contract. 

[AHF]

The Hawks have shown no reservation about spending money except to the extent it would impact their ability to use their cap space.  Throw Jamal Crawford on that list as well.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

3 hours ago, NBASupes said:

We ate both Melo and Bud's contract. 

It's definitely a cheap move, seeing that the net result of buying out Melo, instead of paying Schröder and Moose, is a little over 2 million.   Keeping Melo ( or Dennis and Moose ) + adding another player, would've shown that they're not being cheap.

[AHF]

54 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

It's definitely a cheap move, seeing that the net result of buying out Melo, instead of paying Schröder and Moose, is a little over 2 million.   Keeping Melo ( or Dennis and Moose ) + adding another player, would've shown that they're not being cheap.

You really think we won’t use that cap space in future years that gets freed by this?  Lol.  We’ve used it every year.

Melo costs roughly 7-8M more this season.

[marco102]

12 minutes ago, AHF said:

You really think we won’t use that cap space in future years that gets freed by this?  Lol.  We’ve used it every year.

Melo costs roughly 7-8M more this season.

You know agendas get in the way of facts around here.

[Watchman]

4 hours ago, NBASupes said:

We ate both Melo and Bud's contract. 

I'll acknowledge them as being not cheap when we do something other than waste money and stop putting a crappy product on the floor. 

[Watchman]

22 minutes ago, AHF said:

You really think we won’t use that cap space in future years that gets freed by this?  Lol.  We’ve used it every year.

Melo costs roughly 7-8M more this season.

On more bad contracts. Never on anyone who could make a difference. 

[smoove31210]

1 minute ago, Watchman said:

I'll acknowledge them as being not cheap when we do something other than waste money and stop putting a crappy product on the floor. 

Exactly!

[AHF]

8 minutes ago, Watchman said:

On more bad contracts. Never on anyone who could make a difference. 

Then cheap is the wrong word.  Buying expensive crap is not cheap — it is bad stupid spending.  Here they are paying dollars to get a clean cap sheet and to accrue future picks.  Whether that is smart or not it isn’t cheap.

[Watchman]

2 minutes ago, AHF said:

Then cheap is the wrong word.  Buying expensive crap is not cheap — it is bad stupid spending.  Here they are paying dollars to get a clean cap sheet and to accrue future picks.  Whether that is smart or not it isn’t cheap.

So instead of the superstar we get medium level free agents which everyone complained about in the past. I guess it's acceptable now. 

[NBASupes]

My guess is Atlanta wants to be major players in the trade market for one year contracts next year. Because all of the major market teams got a max or two contracts. We would be in position in 2020. Maybe if we are good. Giannis might consider the Hawks. 

[AHF]

6 minutes ago, Watchman said:

So instead of the superstar we get medium level free agents which everyone complained about in the past. I guess it's acceptable now. 

What medium level free agent did we sign?

Im assuming we are looking to have Young, Collins, Prince, Huerter, our pick this year and Dallas’s pick this year (probably) as a base of talent or to have traded some of them for talent (maybe AD if he tires of NO incompetence?) to be able to pitch high level free agents this coming offseason or the one after that.  Will we succeed?  Don’t know but that has been a recent (ugly) trend in the league that we appear to be trying to prepare ourselves to exploit.

[Watchman]

9 minutes ago, AHF said:

What medium level free agent did we sign?

Im assuming we are looking to have Young, Collins, Prince, Huerter, our pick this year and Dallas’s pick this year (probably) as a base of talent or to have traded some of them for talent (maybe AD if he tires of NO incompetence?) to be able to pitch high level free agents this coming offseason or the one after that.  Will we succeed?  Don’t know but that has been a recent (ugly) trend in the league that we appear to be trying to prepare ourselves to exploit.

Ilysova, muscala. In ilyaso va 's case he was a decent player but not going to put us over the top. 

[Watchman]

14 minutes ago, AHF said:

What medium level free agent did we sign?

Im assuming we are looking to have Young, Collins, Prince, Huerter, our pick this year and Dallas’s pick this year (probably) as a base of talent or to have traded some of them for talent (maybe AD if he tires of NO incompetence?) to be able to pitch high level free agents this coming offseason or the one after that.  Will we succeed?  Don’t know but that has been a recent (ugly) trend in the league that we appear to be trying to prepare ourselves to exploit.

The new trend is to overpay if you want to keep your young draft picks when their contra us expire (a la Schröder , bazemore, etc. 

[Watchman]

I hate smart devices. They make you look anything but smart. 

[JayBirdHawk]

1 minute ago, Watchman said:

The new trend is to overpay if you want to keep your young draft picks when their contra us expire (a la Schröder , bazemore, etc. 

That's not a new trend though. 

[Watchman]

Just now, JayBirdHawk said:

That's not a new trend though. 

Perhaps not but it sure makes "rebuilding" a much more difficult plan. 

[JayBirdHawk]

Just now, Watchman said:

Perhaps not but it sure makes "rebuilding" a much more difficult plan. 

Why? Please explain.

[Watchman]

Just now, JayBirdHawk said:

Why? Please explain.

When you overpay to keep them it puts you over the cap and potentially in the luxury tax. 

[thecampster]

26 minutes ago, Watchman said:

When you overpay to keep them it puts you over the cap and potentially in the luxury tax. 

That's not how this works....its not how any of it works.

line 23 of the CBAFAQ

 

23. What is the maximum salary a player can receive? Are there exceptions to the maximum salary?

Here are the league-wide maximum salaries for the first season of a new contract:

Years in NBA1	Defined maximum salary	2017-18	2018-19
0 - 6	25% of cap	$24,773,250	$25,467,250
7 - 9	30% of cap	$29,727,900	$30,560,700
10+	35% of cap	$34,682,550	$35,654,150

 

You see..overpaying for rookies is far different than overpaying for 10 year players on the downward trend.  A max contract for a 4 year player is $10 million less than for a 10 year player.  The numbers/mistakes are more favorable.  This isn't to say that overpaying a 4 year player isn't stupid and can't hamstring you, but their windows are tighter than say "Lebron" or "Love" (or more recently for us...Millsap).