Prince getting significant minutes at 4?

[thecampster]

There is some footage in here where you can safely say, "The Moobs force is strong with this one".

[sturt]

3 minutes ago, thecampster said:

#30 means he dropped from the teens because of concerns with his conditioning.

It's not like he just now lost weight... that happened before this past season.

https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2018/05/14/omari-spellman-weight-loss/

When was he ever ranked in the teens by anyone? Maybe, but I never saw it. The consensus draft charts I saw had him 25-ish at best.

[nathan2331]

 

 

Maybe if Spellman was this guy who everyone thought was top 15 or top 20, but who slid down to #30, I could be persuaded that he's the primary back-up.

He's not.

And the only reason I think anyone is giving that option any real support is that he turned in a nice Summer League. I just don't drink Summer League kool-aid for the #5 selection... and hell if I'll do so for the #30 selection.

Add that Schlenk had the #14 and #15 slots, and chose to sign backcourt players with both, leaving the 15-man with only 5 viable front court players tells me there's a 6th player among those other 11 who is going to be getting some minutes at the 4.

That's Prince.

It's not even like that should bother anyone, either... he's a Paul George type physique and has spent some lesser time at the 4, and for all we know, the system is going to resemble that of a team famous for playing a 6-8 guy at the 5.

Spellman? Maybe. Eventually. But not at the start of the season, imo, unless we care even less about winning this season than last.

 

I mean, if you don't rate Spellman then fine, we'll either see Len and Dedmon on the court at the same time or we'll see Prince playing the 4. But Spellman is still my answer to the question. Spellman is ready to play right now. I honestly think he'd be a lottery pick if his conditioning problems didn't exist and he had a bigger role in college. He can shoot, put the ball on the floor, defend, rebound and pass well for a big. He checks a lot of boxes you want to see from a big and watching him he seems to understand what he's doing on the court. I'm not sure whether he can maintain his efficiency with increased volume, but if he can he's better than someone like Markkanen. If not he's still a useful player to have.

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10 minutes ago, nathan2331 said:

 

 

 

 

I mean, if you don't rate Spellman then fine, we'll either see Len and Dedmon on the court at the same time or we'll see Prince playing the 4. But Spellman is still my answer to the question. Spellman is ready to play right now. I honestly think he'd be a lottery pick if his conditioning problems didn't exist and he had a bigger role in college. He can shoot, put the ball on the floor, defend, rebound and pass well for a big. He checks a lot of boxes you want to see from a big and watching him he seems to understand what he's doing on the court. I'm not sure whether he can maintain his efficiency with increased volume, but if he can he's better than someone like Markkanen. If not he's still a useful player to have.

 

Where is all this "conditioning problems" thing coming from? And who is saying it? I'm not saying he can't fall off the wagon, but I for one didn't read even one scout suggesting that he was dinged and fell in the draft for "conditioning problems." Rather, if you look at his "weaknesses" scouting video, there are some considerable ones (often picking up his dribble prematurely was one I seem to recall), but nothing that would preclude an exceptional career in the long term.

 

I like the kid.

 

But he's not ready in any John Collins kind of way.

 

Don't expect so much. At first.

 

 

[nathan2331]

 

 

 

Where is all this "conditioning problems" thing coming from? And who is saying it? I'm not saying he can't fall off the wagon, but I for one didn't read even one scout suggesting that he was dinged and fell in the draft for "conditioning problems." Rather, if you look at his "weaknesses" scouting video, there are some considerable ones (often picking up his dribble prematurely was one I seem to recall), but nothing that would preclude an exceptional career in the long term.

 

I like the kid.

 

But he's not ready in any John Collins kind of way.

 

Don't expect so much. At first.

 

 

 

At the combine, Spellman weighed 254 pounds with 13.75% body fat. His goal is to get down to 240 pounds with 10% body fat. I don't know what you've read, but it's definitely something he's working on.

[High5]

Spellman impressed me in SL. I don't know what his numbers were and I don't think he shot very well, but he has skills and he can move surprisingly well for a bulky dude. And I love his passion. It won't always be pretty, but I expect him to get decent minutes this season. Being the 30th pick doesn't mean anything. It was only a year ago that Malcolm Brogdon won ROTY as the 36th pick. 

[thecampster]

2 hours ago, High5 said:

Spellman impressed me in SL. I don't know what his numbers were and I don't think he shot very well, but he has skills and he can move surprisingly well for a bulky dude. And I love his passion. It won't always be pretty, but I expect him to get decent minutes this season. Being the 30th pick doesn't mean anything. It was only a year ago that Malcolm Brogdon won ROTY as the 36th pick. 

Famous 30th pick -cough cough - Jimmy Butler

[thecampster]

5 hours ago, sturt said:

 

Where is all this "conditioning problems" thing coming from? And who is saying it? I'm not saying he can't fall off the wagon, but I for one didn't read even one scout suggesting that he was dinged and fell in the draft for "conditioning problems." Rather, if you look at his "weaknesses" scouting video, there are some considerable ones (often picking up his dribble prematurely was one I seem to recall), but nothing that would preclude an exceptional career in the long term.

 

I like the kid.

 

But he's not ready in any John Collins kind of way.

 

Don't expect so much. At first.

 

 

Dude....I posted a video of him with a double chin and moobs...if you can't see it, its because you don't want to.

[PSSSHHHRRR87]

Positionless basketball is just the newest fad in sports.... pretty soon we'll swing back around to two PG's and 3 forwards from the Pistol Pete days.

[sturt]

3 hours ago, thecampster said:

Dude....I posted a video of him with a double chin and moobs...if you can't see it, its because you don't want to.

Dude. What's the date on that?

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7 hours ago, nathan2331 said:

 

 

 

 

At the combine, Spellman weighed 254 pounds with 13.75% body fat. His goal is to get down to 240 pounds with 10% body fat. I don't know what you've read, but it's definitely something he's working on.

I don't read anyone concerned that he's 3.75% more now than he was in January in the middle of the season. I don't read that anyone was concerned that 254 is too big for a 6-9 guy. I don't read anyone suggesting that he slipped in the draft because of concerns about his body. To the contrary, all I've read is that it was impressive that he showed the discipline to lose the weight he did back in 2016-17.

 

Example from SA paper during the pre-draft workouts:

 

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Teams have expressed late first-round interest in Spellman, including the Spurs. He has a draft workout scheduled with them this weekend.

Whichever team lands Spellman will likely be impressed by his work ethic. Last fall, he arrived at Villanova as a 290-pounder with 24-percent body fat, his physique literally fueled by gummy bears.

By January, he was down to 245 pounds with 10-percent body fat, in prime shape to power Villanova's Final Four run.

Many NBA mock drafts have Spellman landing in the early 20s, so he is likely to be on the board when the Spurs select at No. 18. If the Spurs tab the slimmed-down Spellman, they should find use for him on both ends of the court. 

 

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1 hour ago, PSSSHHHRRR87 said:

Positionless basketball is just the newest fad in sports.... pretty soon we'll swing back around to two PG's and 3 forwards from the Pistol Pete days.

I dunno. Walt Bellamy nor any of his peers of the day were expected to be able to put the ball on the floor because if you were tall, you were camped out down low and had a very limited set of expectations compared to today. I don't see this going away, me.

[sturt]

4 hours ago, thecampster said:

Being the 30th pick doesn't mean anything.

You say that, but you know it does.

It means 29 players were considered more valuable than that player was.

If the implication is he can still be, say, Jimmy Butler, point is well-taken. That's true.

But at the risk of insulting intelligence, it's readily understood that Jimmy Butler stands out because he stands out... ie, that don't happen normally.

 

[Buzzard]

1 hour ago, PSSSHHHRRR87 said:

Positionless basketball is just the newest fad in sports.... pretty soon we'll swing back around to two PG's and 3 forwards from the Pistol Pete days.

Only if four of them can shoot the three ball. You can still be allowed one ( two at the most ) all out defensive specialist; but you cannot allow your team to be less inefficient in scoring by a wide margin. The only way this ever changes is if they take the three point shot away or move it so far back only players like Steph and Trae will take the shot.

[Buzzard]

1 minute ago, Buzzard said:

Only if four of them can shoot the three ball. You can still be allowed one ( two at the most ) all out defensive specialist; but you cannot allow your team to be less efficient in scoring by a wide margin. The only way this ever changes is if they take the three point shot away or move it so far back only players like Steph and Trae will take the shot.

Fixed

[Gray Mule]

So, Omari was taken #30 in the draft.  That seems to mean that all the other 29 picks were better?  Not necessarily.  Not all these 29 teams wanted or needed a player that played the position that he plays.  Also, this young man is a human being.  Some of the things that makes each of us unique can't be measured as some people measure.

We do know, by reading the posters here, he made himself better in school.  Then, he helped them into the final four.  This speaks well of him and his determination.  Now, he's a Hawk.  He's one of our own.  I, for one, am a homer and believe in our players.  I believe in all our three draft picks, including Omari.

[Buzzard]

2 minutes ago, Gray Mule said:

So, Omari was taken #30 in the draft.  That seems to mean that all the other 29 picks were better?  Not necessarily.  Not all these 29 teams wanted or needed a player that played the position that he plays.  Also, this young man is a human being.  Some of the things that makes each of us unique can't be measured as some people measure.

We do know, by reading the posters here, he made himself better in school.  Then, he helped them into the final four.  This speaks well of him and his determination.  Now, he's a Hawk.  He's one of our own.  I, for one, am a homer and believe in our players.  I believe in all our three draft picks, including Omari.

If you are biased against the GM running the draft, it is a automatic that most, if not all. of his picks are bad ones. Same for trades as well. We should have drafted Doncic or JJJ and he was a idiot for trading Howard. Some think Travis lied to them because he has not given them via the press inside info that would get us fined. Some think Travis ran Bud out of town and that is a cardinal sin punishable by death, Some think the best Travis can do is make us the laughing stock of the league and we will be in the lottery for the next ten years.

It is only a select few but they do seem to be some of the loudest of the bunch.

[JayBirdHawk]

1 hour ago, Gray Mule said:

So, Omari was taken #30 in the draft.  That seems to mean that all the other 29 picks were better?  Not necessarily.  Not all these 29 teams wanted or needed a player that played the position that he plays.  Also, this young man is a human being.  Some of the things that makes each of us unique can't be measured as some people measure.

We do know, by reading the posters here, he made himself better in school.  Then, he helped them into the final four.  This speaks well of him and his determination.  Now, he's a Hawk.  He's one of our own.  I, for one, am a homer and believe in our players.  I believe in all our three draft picks, including Omari.

Good read here:

https://www.ajc.com/sports/basketball/hawks-draft-workout-report-omari-spellman-villanova/PBcVwqlHE9S5uMoA74avML/?icmp=np_inform_variation-control

[High5]

6 hours ago, thecampster said:

Famous 30th pick -cough cough - Jimmy Butler

I was talking about in terms of rookie playtime. Butler played 42 games and 8.5 mpg as a rookie so he doesn't fit. 

[sturt]

7 hours ago, Buzzard said:

If you are biased against the GM running the draft, it is a automatic that most, if not all. of his picks are bad ones. Same for trades as well. We should have drafted Doncic or JJJ and he was a idiot for trading Howard. Some think Travis lied to them because he has not given them via the press inside info that would get us fined. Some think Travis ran Bud out of town and that is a cardinal sin punishable by death, Some think the best Travis can do is make us the laughing stock of the league and we will be in the lottery for the next ten years.

It is only a select few but they do seem to be some of the loudest of the bunch.

@Buzzard who are you talking about here?

Not me.

The only thing even remotely close to describing me is that I'm not enthusiastic about his trading so far... but that's not to say I'm down on his trading, either.

So, hopefully that wasn't an attempt to marginalize what I've said in this thread as-if I'm like one certain other poster on the board whose feelings about Schlenk DO mirror what you've outlined.