Final_quest Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 I think the cap space is usable. If you can’t sign a free agent it allows you to do more with trades. If we keep securing draft picks and keep our cap open, we could make some franchise altering moves. Every team needing to trade a Kawhi or Paul George is looking for young talent and draft picks. We can form our own super team. Trae, John Collins, and one of next year’s picks has to show all star level play. Then we have a staple of young players, draft picks, and cap space to form a team. You keep a couple of your players, trade for one, and then sign a top level guy. Super teams can be formed in one off season. The Celtics went from losers to championship in a single off season. As long as we keep cap available, continue to acquire draft capital, and make good draft picks we can become a super team when the situation aligns. It could be as early as next year. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 The fumes are strong this morning if some really believe the Hawks can use their cap space to form a "super team". LOL!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrell Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 9 hours ago, KB21 said: The cap space is essentially unusable. No free agent is going to choose to sign with a sub 20 win team. Len and Lin came here as FA's after only winning 24 last year, so.................................................. If Trae, Collins, Prince, etc play well this year, You never know.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators macdaddy Posted August 1, 2018 Moderators Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 23 minutes ago, terrell said: Len and Lin came here as FA's after only winning 24 last year, so.................................................. If Trae, Collins, Prince, etc play well this year, You never know.... We traded for Lin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member sturt Posted August 1, 2018 Premium Member Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 My two pennies... 1) I think Baze brings value as a veteran leadership presence, but I don't consider that a particularly important asset at this juncture. There will come a time when it is important, but not so much right now. So, it makes a lot of sense to explore opportunities like what has been reported w/ HOU. Add to that, we really are overloaded in the backcourt right now anyhow. 2) I don't see us getting that much in return, but I for one will be satisfied with any 1st round pick, and if from HOU, even better if it's 3-4 years out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 43 minutes ago, sturt said: My two pennies... 1) I think Baze brings value as a veteran leadership presence, but I don't consider that a particularly important asset at this juncture. There will come a time when it is important, but not so much right now. So, it makes a lot of sense to explore opportunities like what has been reported w/ HOU. Add to that, we really are overloaded in the backcourt right now anyhow. 2) I don't see us getting that much in return, but I for one will be satisfied with any 1st round pick, and if from HOU, even better if it's 3-4 years out. I completely disagree with this. It is far more important to have the veteran mentors now when these guys are young and just starting out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member sturt Posted August 1, 2018 Premium Member Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 1 minute ago, KB21 said: I completely disagree with this. It is far more important to have the veteran mentors now when these guys are young and just starting out. Overrated. And even granting the benefit of a doubt to that sentiment, it's not like Baze is the only veteran on the roster. Rather have another asset, assuming it's not merely future 2nd rounders. I'd be open to a Euro-stash, and if I recall correctly, HOU has a few of those as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted August 1, 2018 Premium Member Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 47 minutes ago, sturt said: My two pennies... 1) I think Baze brings value as a veteran leadership presence, but I don't consider that a particularly important asset at this juncture. There will come a time when it is important, but not so much right now. So, it makes a lot of sense to explore opportunities like what has been reported w/ HOU. Add to that, we really are overloaded in the backcourt right now anyhow. 2) I don't see us getting that much in return, but I for one will be satisfied with any 1st round pick, and if from HOU, even better if it's 3-4 years out. Then why bring in Lin and Carter if veteran leadership presence not required. I understand that Baze makes a lot of money but an Anderson trade does nothing to relieve our cap burden in a Baze trade. I get that we acquire a late 1st - it just depends on which 1st it is. Like I said previously, I'd take the Hartenstein kid and a future 1st. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EazyRoc Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 7 minutes ago, sturt said: Overrated. And even granting the benefit of a doubt to that sentiment, it's not like Baze is the only veteran on the roster. Rather have another asset, assuming it's not merely future 2nd rounders. I'd be open to a Euro-stash, and if I recall correctly, HOU has a few of those as well. Having positive veteran leadership is immensely more important than a late first rounder or some “Eurostash” that will never play in the NBA. Baze, Carter, and Lin are the only veterans on this roster. The more experienced vets we have, the better it will be for the youth we bring in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted August 1, 2018 Premium Member Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 Just now, EazyRoc said: Having positive veteran leadership is immensely more important than a late first rounder or some “Eurostash” that will never play in the NBA. Baze, Carter, and Lin are the only veterans on this roster. The more experienced vets we have, the better it will be for the youth we bring in. And Dedmon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted August 1, 2018 Premium Member Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 Think about this....I know we call Baze and Ded vets but they've only been in the league 6 and 5 years respectively. Compare that to Carter's 20 YEARS in the league - that's amazing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member sturt Posted August 1, 2018 Premium Member Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 I said "over-rated." Not "meaningless." Particularly for a rookie PG, I perceive great value to having a veteran player-coach there. How many vets do you need, though? I'm not persuaded that having 4 instead of 3 makes a whole lotta difference... you have a vet at PG, wing, and post... that's enough from my perspective. 14 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said: Like I said previously, I'd take the Hartenstein kid and a future 1st. I'm up for that. In fact, I would be excited about that. And, if it went down, Anderson would be another buyout, imo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EazyRoc Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 6 minutes ago, sturt said: I said "over-rated." Not "meaningless." Particularly for a rookie PG, I perceive great value to having a veteran player-coach there. How many vets do you need, though? I'm not persuaded that having 4 instead of 3 makes a whole lotta difference... you have a vet at PG, wing, and post... that's enough from my perspective. I'm up for that. In fact, I would be excited about that. And, if it went down, Anderson would be another buyout, imo. The Anderson trade would be absolutely terrible. We don’t know how he would respond coming to a locker room that’s definitely going to lose a lot of games. At least, we know that Baze has a upbeat, positive outlook that the rest of the young guys can feed off. Not to mention Anderson is a defensive liability with 2 years left on his contract. The trade for the young guy makes a little bit more sense but would still be a bad move. We don’t need to make this team any worse than it is. You start trading off proven players for “prospects” and you’ll really find yourself on the lottery hamster wheel. Baze is a player that contributes to winning games. Why trade him for late first/2nd round prospects ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 I don’t really want Anderson and a 25-30 pick with 2-3 million salary added on. I mean, to have 4 potential first round picks is unheard of but it almost seems like Schlenk is going draft pick crazy, which btw don’t get me wrong I love, but this Anderson trade rubs me funny. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBac Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 FWIW sounds like the Rockets are calling around more than other teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted August 1, 2018 Moderators Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 Anderson is a downgrade in talent and more salary. Don’t want him for Baze unless we get more than a late first as Jay outlined. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 53 minutes ago, DBac said: FWIW sounds like the Rockets are calling around more than other teams. Yeah, Zach Lowe said they also inquired about JR Smith. Smacks of desperation .... maybe we should pounce. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators macdaddy Posted August 1, 2018 Moderators Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 2 hours ago, EazyRoc said: The Anderson trade would be absolutely terrible. We don’t know how he would respond coming to a locker room that’s definitely going to lose a lot of games. At least, we know that Baze has a upbeat, positive outlook that the rest of the young guys can feed off. Not to mention Anderson is a defensive liability with 2 years left on his contract. The trade for the young guy makes a little bit more sense but would still be a bad move. We don’t need to make this team any worse than it is. You start trading off proven players for “prospects” and you’ll really find yourself on the lottery hamster wheel. Baze is a player that contributes to winning games. Why trade him for late first/2nd round prospects ? I like Baze and don't want to trade him for just a future 1st without getting an asset or cap relief. But i feel like we're overrating him and his impact on the court. On a team like the Rockets I think he's a 15 minute a night player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 .... honestly, the more I think about it. This Baze-for-RAnderson+1st deal might not be all bad. It'd be contingent on potentially flipping him to a team needing shooting at the deadline this year or next. Could net us another future 1st or prospect from a team like NOP who's not really a contender but has to kinda 'go for it' due to circumstances like tricking ADavis into thinking they're not wasting his prime. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted August 1, 2018 Premium Member Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, kg01 said: .... honestly, the more I think about it. This Baze-for-RAnderson+1st deal might not be all bad. It'd be contingent on potentially flipping him to a team needing shooting at the deadline this year or next. Could net us another future 1st or prospect from a team like NOP who's not really a contender but has to kinda 'go for it' due to circumstances like tricking ADavis into thinking they're not wasting his prime. Thing is, Houston has been trying to move him since they gave him that contract. There are a ton of teams that can use a 3 point shooting stretch 4, just not at $20 mil and one dimensional. In any trade, I think we'd just be taking back bad salary but probably in two smaller deals and for longer than the 2 years remaining. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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