Official 2019 Draft thread

[Spud2nique]

4 hours ago, Marvin24Williams said:

Anyone else like Keldon Johnson with the 17th pick? Or just me lol. 

No I like him. I think Schlenk might too he’s an enforcer on the D. 

[NBASupes]

3 hours ago, marco102 said:

 This kid is just the perfect fit with Atlanta with his warts and all.  I just see our coaches and Trae helping him reach his potential. 

We need two way players this draft. 

As long as we get Cam, anyone Travis drafts I'm happy with!   Hell, if we don't I'd trust Shclenk!

Cam's strengths and weaknesses are elite. He is the true definition of system player. 

[Spud2nique]

36 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

@Spud2nique, you see his strengths and your like, he could be one of the best in this draft but his weaknesses is why I am down on him for the Hawks. Our system isn't a good fit and he's a SG/PG which is the same position as Kevin but he is not as talented as Kevin and doesn't fit as good as Kevin. That said, Cleveland is a perfect fit for him. He will take some time but him and Sexton is a workable pairing long term. 

 

 

I dig that for sure. I just feel like he is such a mature dude that he will adjust based on his team’s needs. But I hear you for sure. 

[NBASupes]

4 hours ago, capstone21 said:

I hope we don’t waste a pick in Little.  Great athlete but he doesn’t know how to play basketball... I would rather Clarke or Hayes and I don’t want Hayes .

I like Little. He has the potential to be special. It's all about system, fit and coaching as well as his self drive. 

[NBASupes]

Just now, Spud2nique said:

I dig that for sure. I just feel like he is such a mature dude that he will adjust based on his team’s needs. But I hear you for sure. 

I actually like him, off ball actions, he moves off the ball better than Kevin. His high BBIQ shows on and off the ball. He defends guards very well although he is a little too much like Kevin who struggles with big guards and can't really defend forwards. His feel for the game is excellent and he can score from so many areas. His footwork and his BBIQ is his calling card but like they even said, his shooting is a major question mark. His athleticism isn't good when he doesn't have space. He believes in bully ball a lot. His shot needs to come out quicker. He is 194 right now, at his best, we looking at 208. He will never be a forward. He is an guard but most people like their guards to have an elite first step and explosiveness, he lacks it but if you give him a lot of on ball actions, I think he can be a positive even as a rookie in the NBA. His off ball movements mirror Reggie Miller. He just can't shoot.  

He is a much better prospect than Caris LeVert and is a better prospect than Kevin was last year but his ceiling might be closer to Caris than Kev's in our system. I think Cleveland is an excellent fit. Coach B system has always been high BBIQ based and no one in this draft fits that more than Culver. You just got to give him time for the shot to get to a reasonable level. He got a nice ceiling, it's all about the system and being patience with him. 

[JayBirdHawk]

 

 

[NBASupes]

Cam to me is the scariest prospect in the draft if I am not Atlanta, Golden State or Houston. 

 

He needs Jason Kapono like spacing to operate. That's insane gravity that he would need. Only three teams in the NBA give you that much gravity. 

His weaknesses can absolutely overtake his strengths if not in the right system. 

I think there is no comparison for him. He is a much better talent and much more advanced than PG as a prospect but PG didn't have Cam's flaws. PG was a shooter who had good open court explosiveness but struggled to create in the half court as a tweener inbetween two positions offensively with a low end skill level as a prospect. At worse, a solid 3/D prospect before 3/D was cachet. PG became a two way beast after getting time to develop his skills to catch up to his shot and his defense at the NBA level was always there. 

 

Cam on the other hand is really ball creating wing who succeeds in space and on ball actions but struggles severely in traffic. Even his shooting (low release, inconsistent base, weak core strength) is a nightmare without space. Basically, he needs to be in a high gravity system like GS, HOU, ATL which gives him the gravity needed to play free. ATL like GS gives you a lot of on ball actions which will unlock his PnR game which is already at a very high level for a college player. For us, he could be a star, maybe even our best player. For others who can't hide his weaknesses, he could be even worse than he was at Duke. Maybe one of the biggest busts since Anthony Bennett and Kwame Brown. His defense isn't strong enough to get him mins in spite of his poorus offense and he could be out of the league ASAP if not careful especially considering his wavering confident level. 

He is a player outside of the top 2 no one will want to pass on but will have to pass on due to that and I even know some will not want to pass on him due to Atlanta being such a good fit and knowing the player they draft won't be that for them as he will be for us but teams gotta make decisions in the best interest of their club and not to spite other clubs. 

He is a much better player as a prospect than Paul George and even Nic Batum but he has weaknesses that are much worse for him than the others. I haven't seen a player so extreme since Boris Diaw and Tyson Chandler. He is a SYSTEM player. Only fits three of them. 

[Spud2nique]

1 minute ago, NBASupes said:

Cam to me is the scariest prospect in the draft if I am not Atlanta, Golden State or Houston. 

 

He needs Jason Kapono like spacing to operate. That's insane gravity that he would need. Only three teams in the NBA give you that much gravity. 

His weaknesses can absolutely overtake his strengths if not in the right system. 

I think there is no comparison for him. He is a much better talent and much more advanced than PG as a prospect but PG didn't have Cam's flaws. PG was a shooter who had good open court explosiveness but struggled to create in the half court as a tweener inbetween two positions offensively with a low end skill level as a prospect. At worse, a solid 3/D prospect before 3/D was cachet. PG became a two way beast after getting time to develop his skills to catch up to his shot and his defense at the NBA level was always there. 

 

Cam on the other hand is really ball creating wing who succeeds in space and on ball actions but struggles severely in traffic. Even his shooting (low release, inconsistent base, weak core strength) is a nightmare without space. Basically, he needs to be in a high gravity system like GS, HOU, ATL which gives him the gravity needed to play free. ATL like GS gives you a lot of on ball actions which will unlock his PnR game which is already at a very high level for a college player. For us, he could be a star, maybe even our best player. For others who can't hide his weaknesses, he could be even worse than he was at Duke. Maybe one of the biggest busts since Anthony Bennett and Kwame Brown. His defense isn't strong enough to get him mins in spite of his poorus offense and he could be out of the league ASAP if not careful especially considering his wavering confident level. 

He is a player outside of the top 2 no one will want to pass on but will have to pass on due to that and I even know some will not want to pass on him due to Atlanta being such a good fit and knowing the player they draft won't be that for them as he will be for us but teams gotta make decisions in the best interest of their club and not to spite other clubs. 

He is a much better player as a prospect than Paul George and even Nic Batum but he has weaknesses that are much worse for him than the others. I haven't seen a player so extreme since Boris Diaw and Tyson Chandler. He is a SYSTEM player. Only fits three of them. 

I think he’d fit the Spurs, the Bucks and possibly the Nets as well. He’s a system type in the right system but if he blossoms he could be a TMac type superstar sensation he’s that smooth. Again, I’m happy with

Cam/Culver/Clarke/Kabengele 

[marco102]

4 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Cam to me is the scariest prospect in the draft if I am not Atlanta, Golden State or Houston. 

 

He needs Jason Kapono like spacing to operate. That's insane gravity that he would need. Only three teams in the NBA give you that much gravity. 

His weaknesses can absolutely overtake his strengths if not in the right system. 

I think there is no comparison for him. He is a much better talent and much more advanced than PG as a prospect but PG didn't have Cam's flaws. PG was a shooter who had good open court explosiveness but struggled to create in the half court as a tweener inbetween two positions offensively with a low end skill level as a prospect. At worse, a solid 3/D prospect before 3/D was cachet. PG became a two way beast after getting time to develop his skills to catch up to his shot and his defense at the NBA level was always there. 

 

Cam on the other hand is really ball creating wing who succeeds in space and on ball actions but struggles severely in traffic. Even his shooting (low release, inconsistent base, weak core strength) is a nightmare without space. Basically, he needs to be in a high gravity system like GS, HOU, ATL which gives him the gravity needed to play free. ATL like GS gives you a lot of on ball actions which will unlock his PnR game which is already at a very high level for a college player. For us, he could be a star, maybe even our best player. For others who can't hide his weaknesses, he could be even worse than he was at Duke. Maybe one of the biggest busts since Anthony Bennett and Kwame Brown. His defense isn't strong enough to get him mins in spite of his poorus offense and he could be out of the league ASAP if not careful especially considering his wavering confident level. 

He is a player outside of the top 2 no one will want to pass on but will have to pass on due to that and I even know some will not want to pass on him due to Atlanta being such a good fit and knowing the player they draft won't be that for them as he will be for us but teams gotta make decisions in the best interest of their club and not to spite other clubs. 

He is a much better player as a prospect than Paul George and even Nic Batum but he has weaknesses that are much worse for him than the others. I haven't seen a player so extreme since Boris Diaw and Tyson Chandler. He is a SYSTEM player. Only fits three of them. 

I think alot of Cam's core problems are due to his injuries.  His core is getting taken care of by his surgery. 

Also, he played with a cracked rib throughout the season. 

https://balldurham.com/2018/10/19/duke-basketball-cam-reddish-playing-fractured-rib/ 

[NBASupes]

Just now, Spud2nique said:

I think he’d fit the Spurs, the Bucks and possibly the Nets as well. He’s a system type in the right system but if he blossoms he could be a TMac type superstar sensation he’s that smooth. Again, I’m happy with

Cam/Culver/Clarke/Kabengele 

Not these Spurs. Maybe the Tim Duncan Spurs. 

Bucks, no, he wouldn't get the actions he needs. He would bust there. 

Nets? Heck no, definitely not enough offensive gravity for him to succeed. While SA and Brooklyn are great at player development, these teams need more gravity for Reddish. 

I don't see T-Mac outside of his fluidity. I see if everything works out as a player long term who has some Iso-Joe, Batum, PG and shades of Klay Thompson with his quick trigger once he improves his shooting.  I think Iso-Joe combined with Batum while looking like a more athletic and fluid Klay is the goal. T-Mac is just way too athletic. He had great explosiveness and it helped for finishing even if Cam and T-Mac first step and open base is similar. Cam's explosiveness is Joe like but his core strength is Batum like. 

 

As I stated on RealGM: 

I have to say, if you look at Feb 14 of 2019. You look at this class differently. 
Look at Cam Reddish, he had a .390 projected 3pt. That's beyond elite. Consider this, .368 was Kevin's projected 3pt estimate. Think about that for a minute. 
https://web.archive.org/web/20190214164840/http://www.tankathon.com/big_board

Look, I get it, the tournaments matter but for freshman, I always say they generally lose impact as teams know what their weaknesses are. I always look at two snapshots for them. 3/4 of the season and the end. This is how Trae Young was the most dynamic PG to ever play college and then at the end looked like a scrub. Now if you watched the end, Trae Young is ass. But if you watched for first 3/4 of season, Trae was a no brainer. Look at our Trae. No brainer, duh! We have to understand freshman need time in the NCAA's. 

https://web.archive.org/web/20190214192729/http://www.tankathon.com/players/cam-reddish
http://www.tankathon.com/players/cam-reddish

It's normal with most prospects: 

https://web.archive.org/web/20190214203053/http://www.tankathon.com/players/romeo-langford
http://www.tankathon.com/players/romeo-langford

https://web.archive.org/web/20190214172835/http://www.tankathon.com/players/r-j-barrett
http://www.tankathon.com/players/r-j-barrett

https://web.archive.org/web/20190214201508/http://www.tankathon.com/players/zion-williamson
http://www.tankathon.com/players/zion-williamson

While it's normal to see steady play from Soph to upperclassmen throughout the year regardless of tournament play or not. This why drafting freshman, you gotta scout everything. The final result is not indicative of how good of a NBA prospect one is. 

https://web.archive.org/web/20180620055834/http://www.tankathon.com:80/big_board

https://web.archive.org/web/20180626164909/http://www.tankathon.com/players/trae-young
https://web.archive.org/web/20180125020228/http://www.tankathon.com:80/players/trae-young - Jan 25th
https://web.archive.org/web/20180108003202/http://www.tankathon.com:80/players/trae-young - Jan 8th
https://web.archive.org/web/20171221165224/http://www.tankathon.com:80/players/trae-young

 

Cam before the injury was on pace to be a 3/D solid prospect. I still believe that it's possible for most teams long term that Cam is just that. For us, Cam could be an extremely elite 3/D prospect that has playmaking and transition elite abilities while being a big time shot maker. 

I don't know if Cam will ever be a two way beast but he could be something better than that even in a 3/D role for us. Only time will tell. I can say, he is much more advanced than PG and Batum were as prospects. 

[NBASupes]

13 minutes ago, marco102 said:

I think alot of Cam's core problems are due to his injuries.  His core is getting taken care of by his surgery. 

Also, he played with a cracked rib throughout the season. 

https://balldurham.com/2018/10/19/duke-basketball-cam-reddish-playing-fractured-rib/ 

Possibly but I don't think so just looking at his elite HS stats where he had similar issues. I think it impacted his 3/D potential which is at least decent for most teams but it didn't change his trajectory. I do believe he is a much better rebounder than he showed in college just based off of his previous stats and he had Zion, R.J. Jones, and Bolden. Just not enough boards to go around. All of them are plus rebounders of their position. 

 

 

[Marvin24Williams]

I just can't get myself to like Little. Don't get me wrong, if we draft him I'll definitely root for him but man he just doesn't excite me all that much. Fine man defender but he was bad at team defense.. bouncy but not quick or explosive off the dribble, no handle, questionable jumper & IQ on both ends of the floor. Hopefully he proves me wrong but count me as one wanting to avoid him come draft night.

[NBASupes]

11 minutes ago, Marvin24Williams said:

I just can't get myself to like Little. Don't get me wrong, if we draft him I'll definitely root for him but man he just doesn't excite me all that much. Fine man defender but he was bad at team defense.. bouncy but not quick or explosive off the dribble, no handle, questionable jumper & IQ on both ends of the floor. Hopefully he proves me wrong but count me as one wanting to avoid him come draft night.

He sounds like a more athletic freshman version of Kawhi Leonard. That's where my interest is in him. His upside is tremendous and his work ethic and motor is his best trait with his upside. Do you want to pass up on that?

[Spud2nique]

5 hours ago, Marvin24Williams said:

I just can't get myself to like Little. Don't get me wrong, if we draft him I'll definitely root for him but man he just doesn't excite me all that much. Fine man defender but he was bad at team defense.. bouncy but not quick or explosive off the dribble, no handle, questionable jumper & IQ on both ends of the floor. Hopefully he proves me wrong but count me as one wanting to avoid him come draft night.

I’m with you on Little. I think he’s way overrated and I’m with you on Keldon as I feel he’s underrated and a good pick at 17 if Kabengele is no longer on the board for us imo.

[Spud2nique]

4 hours ago, NBASupes said:

He sounds like a more athletic freshman version of Kawhi Leonard. That's where my interest is in him. His upside is tremendous and his work ethic and motor is his best trait with his upside. Do you want to pass up on that?

Kawhi was a smart dude even back at SD. Nas isn’t that. A lot of guys have come out claiming to be this player and that player. Just because Nas compared HIMSELF to Kawhi, I’m not buying it.

He might be a top 3 lotto bust for me assuming he even lands in the lottery.

 

Like Marvwill though, I’d love him if he was a Hawk, I just think we have a lot better options.

[thecampster]

 

Last year's draft thread if anyone wants to go back and read 270+ pages of very silly opinions in hindsight.

[Spud2nique]

6 minutes ago, thecampster said:

 

Last year's draft thread if anyone wants to go back and read 270+ pages of very silly opinions in hindsight.

you need a hug this morning? What’s up with wanting to nail everyone?

[NBASupes]

1 hour ago, Spud2nique said:

Kawhi was a smart dude even back at SD. Nas isn’t that. A lot of guys have come out claiming to be this player and that player. Just because Nas compared HIMSELF to Kawhi, I’m not buying it.

He might be a top 3 lotto bust for me assuming he even lands in the lottery.

 

Like Marvwill though, I’d love him if he was a Hawk, I just think we have a lot better options.

Kwahi profile was a player with a high motor and work ethic with a low feel for the game and BBIQ waned when asked to defend off of the ball and make off the ball reads on offense. 

 

In general KL was a smart person as is NL. Nas doesn't just have to claim it, I see the similarities as well. 

[Spud2nique]

2 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Kwahi profile was a player with a high motor and work ethic with a low feel for the game and BBIQ waned when asked to defend off of the ball and make off the ball reads on offense. 

 

In general KL was a smart person as is NL. Nas doesn't just have to claim it, I see the similarities as well. 

That’s fine but you know if he busts I’m gonna come back and bust ur a$$ up on this.  

 

I see major flaws. I honestly don’t even know if he picked the right sport. His natural instincts and the way he moves are more suited to play DB in the NFL or some football league.

[NBASupes]

1 minute ago, Spud2nique said:

That’s fine but you know if he busts I’m gonna come back and bust ur a$$ up on this.  

 

I see major flaws. I honestly don’t even know if he picked the right sport. His natural instincts and the way he moves are more suited to play DB in the NFL or some football league.

He could bust, but I wouldn't bet on it. He has too many tools and he has a lot of potential. You are talking about a range of Gerald Wallace to KL. That was ths same curve for KL. I wouldn't count him out.

He is a safer prospect than Reddish for most teams and it's not even close.