thecampster Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 Don't get caught up in the media spin right now. Trading with the Knicks to acquire 3 is still on the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Peoriabird Posted June 17, 2019 Premium Member Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, AHF said: A few examples: #9 Charles Oakley for #11 Keith Lee and #13 Ennis Watley #1 Elton Brand for #4 Tyson Chandler and #22 Brian Skinner #3 Deron Williams for #6 Martell Webster and #27 Linas Kleiza #2 LeMarcus Aldridge for #4 Tyrus Thomas, #22 Viktor Khryapa, future 2nd round pick (not bothered to look it up) #5 Scottie Pippen for #8 Olden Polynice, #35 Sylvester Gray, next year's first #18 BJ Armstrong (later traded back to the Bulls) Now let’s look at another example from 2014. There’s a couple we could use this year, but perhaps the best example is the Doug McDermott trade. In 2014 the Nuggets traded the 11th pick for the 16th and 19th picks. At 16, they selected Jusuf Nurkic and at 19 Gary Harris. Other viable players the Nuggets could have selected at either selection, or perhaps by trading down further, include Nikola Jokic (they did select him too later obviously), Clint Capela, Rodney Hood, Jerami Grant, Spencer Dinwiddie, Kyle Anderson, Joe Harris, and Maxi Kleber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecampster Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 Blue = team option Notice all of the players they need decisions on. The only players locked in are Ntilikina, Smith, Knox, Trier, Robinson but they need to decide on Jordan (or they need his commitment), Hezonja, Mudiay, Vonleh etc. They have dead salary in Joakim Noah for the next 3 years for 6 million per. They have needs...lots of them and they need picks, mobile salary etc....They are just working out their money issues, possible incoming talent and best offer for 3. There is interest in Barrett but few teams can put forward a package to move up to 3. Committed Salary 2018 2019 DeAndre Jordan $ 22,897,200 Lance Thomas $ 7,119,650 $ 7,583,975 Mario Hezonja $ 6,500,000 Ron Baker $ 4,544,400 Emmanuel Mudiay $ 4,294,480 Frank Ntilikina $ 4,155,720 $ 4,855,800 $ 6,176,578 Dennis Smith $ 3,819,960 $ 4,463,640 $ 5,686,677 Kevin Knox $ 3,739,920 $ 4,380,120 $ 4,588,680 $ 5,845,978 Allonzo Trier $ 3,382,000 $ 3,551,100 Luke Kornet $ 1,619,260 Noah Vonleh $ 1,512,601 Mitchell Robinson $ 1,485,440 $ 1,559,712 $ 1,663,861 $ 1,802,057 Damyean Dotson $ 1,378,242 $ 1,618,520 John Jenkins $ 486,520 $ 1,988,119 Henry Ellenson $ 341,831 $ 1,645,357 Billy Garrett $ 42,634 $ 1,416,852 Isaiah Hicks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted June 17, 2019 Moderators Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, Peoriabird said: Were those really that close? I'm talking about Doncic vs Trae and a players like Huerter/Collins or Ben Simmons vs Jayson Tatum + whomever Etc Not sure what you mean by this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Peoriabird Posted June 17, 2019 Premium Member Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, AHF said: Not sure what you mean by this. I would rather have Trae and Collins/Huerter over Doncic or Tatum + an extra pick over Simmons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecampster Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 So word is the Knicks will waive Lance Thomas and then try to resign him cheaper per year. They want someone to take Ntilikina as a part of any deal because the salary they want to sign will replace his role on the team. But they need to waive most everyone and resolve Jordan's status then they will move forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleachkit Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 1 minute ago, thecampster said: So word is the Knicks will waive Lance Thomas and then try to resign him cheaper per year. They want someone to take Ntilikina as a part of any deal because the salary they want to sign will replace his role on the team. But they need to waive most everyone and resolve Jordan's status then they will move forward. If they were getting Durant and Kyrie they would probably trade #3. But with that unlikely to happen, looks like they are staying at #3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted June 17, 2019 Moderators Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, Peoriabird said: Now let’s look at another example from 2014. There’s a couple we could use this year, but perhaps the best example is the Doug McDermott trade. In 2014 the Nuggets traded the 11th pick for the 16th and 19th picks. At 16, they selected Jusuf Nurkic and at 19 Gary Harris. Other viable players the Nuggets could have selected at either selection, or perhaps by trading down further, include Nikola Jokic (they did select him too later obviously), Clint Capela, Rodney Hood, Jerami Grant, Spencer Dinwiddie, Kyle Anderson, Joe Harris, and Maxi Kleber. 48 minutes ago, AHF said: A good example for sure. I'll step out on a limb and say that Chicago probably would have stuck with Nurkic and Gary Harris (taken with their picks) if given the benefit of hindsight. You probably won't be shocked to know that I'm familiar with that one since I gave the blow by blow on it earlier this afternoon! There are deals on both sides of this one but if you look at the most lopsided draft deals in history they heavily lean towards the teams trading up getting the better end of the deal. I only listed some of those involving a team getting more picks but when you start adding in deals like the Hawks letting Boston trade up to get Bill Russell or the Cavs trade up for Brad Daughtery, etc. there are plenty more. At the end of the day, there is uncertainty and different teams needs and opportunity. If Schlenk sees the right guy there and thinks he is on a different level from the players available when we pick, I don't mind him trading up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted June 17, 2019 Moderators Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Peoriabird said: I would rather have Trae and Collins/Huerter over Doncic or Tatum + an extra pick over Simmons What?!? Collins and Huerter have absolutely nothing to do with Doncic. You could have had all three of them. Tatum has nothing to do with Simmons. You are talking about completely unrelated players who were not involved in trades with eachother (except Trae and Doncic). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Peoriabird Posted June 17, 2019 Premium Member Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 1 minute ago, AHF said: What?!? Collins and Huerter have absolutely nothing to do with Doncic. You could have had all three of them. Tatum has nothing to do with Simmons. You are talking about completely unrelated players who were not involved in trades with eachother (except Trae and Doncic). I said a player like Collins or Huerter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted June 17, 2019 Moderators Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 Just now, Peoriabird said: I said a player like Collins or Huerter I'd rather have LeBron than a pair like Joe Johnson + Josh Smith or Anthony Davis rather than Terence Ross and Austin Rivers. (Not sure what any of these statements have to do with the subject of how Schlenk should react if he sees a player he thinks is on a different level from the rest of the available talent and has a reasonable offer to trade up but I guess I can throw together random names as examples as well. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Peoriabird Posted June 17, 2019 Premium Member Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, AHF said: What?!? Collins and Huerter have absolutely nothing to do with Doncic. You could have had all three of them. Tatum has nothing to do with Simmons. You are talking about completely unrelated players who were not involved in trades with eachother (except Trae and Doncic). Sorry the Fultz vs Tatum which is even worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 Wizards are leaning to Sekou or Nassir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Peoriabird Posted June 17, 2019 Premium Member Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, AHF said: I'd rather have LeBron than a pair like Joe Johnson + Josh Smith or Anthony Davis rather than Terence Ross and Austin Rivers. (Not sure what any of these statements have to do with the subject of how Schlenk should react if he sees a player he thinks is on a different level from the rest of the available talent and has a reasonable offer to trade up but I guess I can throw together random names as examples as well. ) What is your problem??? I said no one is trading the draft rights to Lebron or players like him. My statement is when it isn't clear cut like Lebron vs Mile Plumlee, the team with more chances usually wins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 His camp seem to think CHI or WAS will take him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted June 17, 2019 Moderators Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Peoriabird said: Sorry the Fultz vs Tatum which is even worse Except it has nothing to do with acquiring additional picks. It is just the Sixers making a bad pick and Boston making a good one. Boston hasn't even gotten a second player out of the deal. Just now, NBASupes said: Wizards are leaning to Sekou or Nassir I know they are stealing Sekou from us. I'm trying to steel myself against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Peoriabird Posted June 17, 2019 Premium Member Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, AHF said: I'd rather have LeBron than a pair like Joe Johnson + Josh Smith or Anthony Davis rather than Terence Ross and Austin Rivers. (Not sure what any of these statements have to do with the subject of how Schlenk should react if he sees a player he thinks is on a different level from the rest of the available talent and has a reasonable offer to trade up but I guess I can throw together random names as examples as well. ) Don't you get it? There ain't no magical player on a different level in this draft available to the Hawk via trade. What's going on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted June 17, 2019 Moderators Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Peoriabird said: What is your problem??? I said no one is trading the draft rights to Lebron or players like him. My statement is when it isn't clear cut like Lebron vs Mile Plumlee, the team with more chances usually wins My whole premise is that Schlenk has a clear cut preference, viewing a player as being on a different level from other available players. I've made that super clear in my posts. I also see zero statistical support for your position. I see plenty of anecdotes and agree that there are absolutely trades where the team getting more picks wins but see even more where the team trading up wins. If Schlenk has two guys ranked closely, that isn't a situation we are discussing. We had the chance to give up multiple picks/players to trade up and get Giannis and we chose not to do it. We would have won that trade big time. If Schlenk believes in someone like that, he should make the move. That is what I've been saying all thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Peoriabird Posted June 17, 2019 Premium Member Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, AHF said: If Schlenk has two guys ranked closely, that isn't a situation we are discussing. He literally has already said that he sees no different in the players past Zion and the point guards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted June 17, 2019 Moderators Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Peoriabird said: He literally has already said that he sees no different in the players past Zion and the point guards I don't believe you mean what you typed. Do you really believe that he sees no difference between the draft board at pick 4 and pick 60? No difference past 3 players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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