warcore Posted October 14, 2020 Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 If you think about what we could do with $65 mil over 3 years with our cap space, it makes me wanna keep #6. I'm not sure the Bulls or Raps would match if we offered that much to Dunn or VanVleet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member georgia Posted October 14, 2020 Premium Member Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 One thing to keep in mind is the Hawks have to spend at least 90% of the salary cap. So they’re gonna have to spend in free agency or take on someone in a trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marco102 Posted October 14, 2020 Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 53 minutes ago, georgia said: One thing to keep in mind is the Hawks have to spend at least 90% of the salary cap. So they’re gonna have to spend in free agency or take on someone in a trade. They don't have to. If they don't spend the 90% the difference will be split amongst the players at the end of the season. It's also 90% by the end of the season. If the Hawks get a decent free agent, I think they'll wait until the trade deadline to make a bigger move. It'll make more sense to see how the young core plus the free agent is performing and then make a move based on team's needs. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDawg#8 Posted October 14, 2020 Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 2 hours ago, warcore said: If you think about what we could do with $65 mil over 3 years with our cap space, it makes me wanna keep #6. I'm not sure the Bulls or Raps would match if we offered that much to Dunn or VanVleet. Vanvleet is worth that, but not Dunn, and Im a Dunn fan. But I get it and you're right 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecampster Posted October 14, 2020 Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 6 hours ago, marco102 said: They don't have to. If they don't spend the 90% the difference will be split amongst the players at the end of the season. It's also 90% by the end of the season. If the Hawks get a decent free agent, I think they'll wait until the trade deadline to make a bigger move. It'll make more sense to see how the young core plus the free agent is performing and then make a move based on team's needs. Semantics. Not spending the full 90 costs you more in PR than any flexibility would give. Just assume it will be spent. Also, that 90 is calculated end of season, not beginning. So they don't "have" to spend it by Jan 18....they just "have" to spend it by season's end net. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted October 14, 2020 Moderators Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 3 hours ago, thecampster said: Semantics. Not spending the full 90 costs you more in PR than any flexibility would give. Just assume it will be spent. I think we'll spend enough to hit that level but I don't see there being a huge PR hit if you have sign who you wanted to sign and have the room to save the space to take on higher $$ players at the trade deadline. Quote Also, that 90 is calculated end of season, not beginning. So they don't "have" to spend it by Jan 18....they just "have" to spend it by season's end net. marco said that in the post you quoted so I think you are agreeing with him. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted October 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 Update: Blockbuster actually involving the Hawks as a MAIN TEAM I can't give specifics but this team who has a bonafide All Star has offered him to us for one of our core players in a straight up deal. This All Star is said to be the perfect fit with our system and what we need around Trae on both ends. Atlanta is seriously mulling it over but I was told they aren't too sure. The reason this was offer is because of salary cap reasons and there is a good reason why you have to consider to pass on the deal if you are Atlanta. This team has major 2021 goals and they targeting a couple top FAs in 2021 but they still want to play high-level winning Basketball in 2020-21. I was told this is a deal, both teams see a lot of benefit from. This one could be altered based on Atlanta's other moves if this move is made but it will be a blockbuster and yes, in my opinion, not sure about some others here but in my opinion, this move makes us much better of a team and I think a lock to be a playoff team at the least and even a top 10 offensive and defensive team next year. It's clear this team is targeting a specific player in 2021 who they think they will land without question. This team internally thinks they can land two stars in 2021. That's why they are open this deal. They also think they can do this while maintaining the Hawks core piece and their main FA in that same off-season. This team has lofty goals. I got a couple of more smaller moves to talk about but I gotta go but this is the one I was waiting for. I knew about it a couple of days ago but I needed him to confirm it. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators macdaddy Posted October 14, 2020 Moderators Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, NBASupes said: Update: Blockbuster actually involving the Hawks as a MAIN TEAM I can't give specifics but this team who has a bonafide All Star has offered him to us for one of our core players in a straight up deal. This All Star is said to be the perfect fit with our system and what we need around Trae on both ends. Atlanta is seriously mulling it over but I was told they aren't too sure. The reason this was offer is because of salary cap reasons and there is a good reason why you have to consider to pass on the deal if you are Atlanta. This team has major 2021 goals and they targeting a couple top FAs in 2021 but they still want to play high-level winning Basketball in 2020-21. I was told this is a deal, both teams see a lot of benefit from. This one could be altered based on Atlanta's other moves if this move is made but it will be a blockbuster and yes, in my opinion, not sure about some others here but in my opinion, this move makes us much better of a team and I think a lock to be a playoff team at the least and even a top 10 offensive and defensive team next year. It's clear this team is targeting a specific player in 2021 who they think they will land without question. This team internally thinks they can land two stars in 2021. That's why they are open this deal. They also think they can do this while maintaining the Hawks core piece and their main FA in that same off-season. This team has lofty goals. I got a couple of more smaller moves to talk about but I gotta go but this is the one I was waiting for. I knew about it a couple of days ago but I needed him to confirm it. Hmm. only things i can come up with are Embiid or Paul George. All stars on teams who think they can get Giannis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin capstone21 Posted October 14, 2020 Admin Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, NBASupes said: Update: Blockbuster actually involving the Hawks as a MAIN TEAM I can't give specifics but this team who has a bonafide All Star has offered him to us for one of our core players in a straight up deal. This All Star is said to be the perfect fit with our system and what we need around Trae on both ends. Atlanta is seriously mulling it over but I was told they aren't too sure. The reason this was offer is because of salary cap reasons and there is a good reason why you have to consider to pass on the deal if you are Atlanta. This team has major 2021 goals and they targeting a couple top FAs in 2021 but they still want to play high-level winning Basketball in 2020-21. I was told this is a deal, both teams see a lot of benefit from. This one could be altered based on Atlanta's other moves if this move is made but it will be a blockbuster and yes, in my opinion, not sure about some others here but in my opinion, this move makes us much better of a team and I think a lock to be a playoff team at the least and even a top 10 offensive and defensive team next year. It's clear this team is targeting a specific player in 2021 who they think they will land without question. This team internally thinks they can land two stars in 2021. That's why they are open this deal. They also think they can do this while maintaining the Hawks core piece and their main FA in that same off-season. This team has lofty goals. I got a couple of more smaller moves to talk about but I gotta go but this is the one I was waiting for. I knew about it a couple of days ago but I needed him to confirm it. Obviously for Collins ... probably Simmons is my guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecampster Posted October 14, 2020 Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, AHF said: I think we'll spend enough to hit that level but I don't see there being a huge PR hit if you have sign who you wanted to sign and have the room to save the space to take on higher $$ players at the trade deadline. marco said that in the post you quoted so I think you are agreeing with him. Yes but clarifying. On your point...the PR hit is with players, not fans. Players absolutely talk about teams that don't hit the 90% threshold and label them cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecampster Posted October 14, 2020 Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, NBASupes said: Update: Blockbuster actually involving the Hawks as a MAIN TEAM I can't give specifics but this team who has a bonafide All Star has offered him to us for one of our core players in a straight up deal. This All Star is said to be the perfect fit with our system and what we need around Trae on both ends. Atlanta is seriously mulling it over but I was told they aren't too sure. The reason this was offer is because of salary cap reasons and there is a good reason why you have to consider to pass on the deal if you are Atlanta. This team has major 2021 goals and they targeting a couple top FAs in 2021 but they still want to play high-level winning Basketball in 2020-21. I was told this is a deal, both teams see a lot of benefit from. This one could be altered based on Atlanta's other moves if this move is made but it will be a blockbuster and yes, in my opinion, not sure about some others here but in my opinion, this move makes us much better of a team and I think a lock to be a playoff team at the least and even a top 10 offensive and defensive team next year. It's clear this team is targeting a specific player in 2021 who they think they will land without question. This team internally thinks they can land two stars in 2021. That's why they are open this deal. They also think they can do this while maintaining the Hawks core piece and their main FA in that same off-season. This team has lofty goals. I got a couple of more smaller moves to talk about but I gotta go but this is the one I was waiting for. I knew about it a couple of days ago but I needed him to confirm it. I thought that was just testing the offer....we're interested? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin capstone21 Posted October 14, 2020 Admin Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 1 minute ago, capstone21 said: Obviously for Collins ... probably Simmons is my guess If this is it ... defensively can Simmons guard PFs and how will he and Trae coexist as they both need the ball? Also, Simmons can’t shoot ... still it’s interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NBASupes Posted October 14, 2020 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 Back: I've been told Minny has up to 12 teams who have given them offers for 1st overall. I was told Indy was by far the most interested but was declined as they only want to move one of Turner or Sabonis and that's it. Minny would like Warren and one of them. Indy is willing to trade Warren/Oladipo but Minny wants assurance on Dipo which will not happen and Indy sees Warren as a main piece. Minny wants a pick swap with a top 8 team and a 2021 lightly protected 1st like Atlanta got from Dallas. I was told, no one was interested. Minny offered Atlanta the pick for a pick swap and Hunter and was quickly declined and they did the same for Kevin H and was quickly declined as Atlanta had no interest in trading anyone in their core. Atlanta did counter with Bruno and #6 and was declined. As of right now, i am told a sitting offer of 1st/James Johnson for #6 and OKC 1st 2022 is the standing offer. They tired the same with NY. Wanted Robinson/#8 for #1 and was declined. NY offered 8/27 for 1st overall as a standing offer. Most of the teams who have made a standing offer with Minny are drafting outside of the top 10 and are playoff level teams. I was told that the target of that pick varies. I was told, none of the offers are really that attractive and that Minny is hoping a team will fall in love with a prospect and move up as we get closer to the draft. He thinks they will try to go back to Indy to really do a deal as Indy has the best package on the open market. I asked if Minny does just move back, which deal do they like more, ATL or NY. He said he doesn't know but he thinks Atlanta willingness to take on money could swing the pendulum to Atlanta. He is confident CP3 will end up either in Philly or New York and even more confident NY will get a PG in the draft, via trade or FA. This is why NY isn't hard on moving up to get Ball. They have options. I did asked what would Atlanta do if they landed #1, and he said they will likely flip it. There are some extremely attractive rentals on the open market and this might make Atlanta think about getting one of them considering where they want to go as an org without trading a core piece. No, Giannis is not available, FYI. Oladipo has the most active market, although the value isn't great in return and he thinks this will open the flood gates for future trades. A lot of contenders and a couple pretenders want Oladipo BAD! 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted October 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 14 minutes ago, thecampster said: I thought that was just testing the offer....we're interested? From what he said, we are interested but we aren't locked in. It seems like this one could take awhile. It likely depends on the draft is what I imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecampster Posted October 14, 2020 Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, macdaddy said: Hmm. only things i can come up with are Embiid or Paul George. All stars on teams who think they can get Giannis? All star rosters 2020....have fun! #2 | Forward-Center Anthony Davis 26.6 PPG3.3 APG9.2 RPG LAL #2 | Guard James Harden 35.3 PPG7.3 APG6.5 RPG - HOU #2 | Forward Kawhi Leonard 27.1 PPG5.3 APG7.4 RPG LAC #2 | Forward-Guard Luka Doncic 28.9 PPG8.7 APG9.5 RPG DAL #2 | Forward LeBron James 25 PPG10.8 APG7.8 RPG LAL #24 | Forward Giannis Antetokounmpo 30 PPG5.8 APG13.5 RPG MIL #24 | Center-Forward Joel Embiid 22.9 PPG3.2 APG11.9 RPG PHI #24 | Forward Pascal Siakam 23.5 PPG3.5 APG7.5 RPG TOR #24 | Guard Kemba Walker 21.8 PPG5 APG4 RPG BOS #24 | Guard Trae Young 29.7 PPG9.2 APG4.4 RPG ATL #2 | Guard Devin Booker 26.4 PPG6.3 APG4.2 RPG PHX #2 | Guard Chris Paul 17.5 PPG6.6 APG5 RPG OKC #2 | Guard Damian Lillard 29.5 PPG7.9 APG4.4 RPG POR #2 | Center Nikola Jokic 20.6 PPG6.9 APG10.2 RPG DEN #2 | Guard-Forward Ben Simmons 16.9 PPG8.3 APG7.9 RPG PHI #2 | Forward-Center Domantas Sabonis 18.3 PPG4.8 APG12.5 RPG IND #2 | Forward-Guard Jayson Tatum 22.1 PPG3 APG6.9 RPG BOS #2 | Guard Russell Westbrook 27.2 PPG7.2 APG8 RPG HOU #24 | Center-Forward Bam Adebayo 15.8 PPG4.9 APG10.4 RPG MIA #24 | Forward Brandon Ingram 24.9 PPG4.2 APG6.4 RPG NOP #24 | Guard Donovan Mitchell 24.3 PPG4.3 APG4.3 RPG UTA #24 | Forward Jimmy Butler 20.6 PPG6.1 APG6.8 RPG MIA #24 | Center Rudy Gobert 15.6 PPG1.5 APG14.6 RPG UTA #24 | Guard Kyle Lowry 19.6 PPG7.6 APG4.7 RPG TOR #24 | Forward Khris Middleton 20.4 PPG4.3 APG6.1 RPG MIL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High5 Posted October 14, 2020 Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 You say JC is a low impact bum that no GM values, but now we can trade him straight up for a "bonafide All Star" that will make us a top 10 team on both ends of the floor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted October 14, 2020 Premium Member Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 38 minutes ago, NBASupes said: Update: Blockbuster actually involving the Hawks as a MAIN TEAM I can't give specifics but this team who has a bonafide All Star has offered him to us for one of our core players in a straight up deal. This All Star is said to be the perfect fit with our system and what we need around Trae on both ends. Atlanta is seriously mulling it over but I was told they aren't too sure. The reason this was offer is because of salary cap reasons and there is a good reason why you have to consider to pass on the deal if you are Atlanta. This team has major 2021 goals and they targeting a couple top FAs in 2021 but they still want to play high-level winning Basketball in 2020-21. I was told this is a deal, both teams see a lot of benefit from. My guess: Pascal Siakam for Collins. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted October 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, High5 said: You say JC is a low impact bum that no GM values, but now we can trade him straight up for a "bonafide All Star" that will make us a top 10 team on both ends of the floor? I never said he's a low impact bum. I been on record that I wouldn't trade him straight up for the #1 overall pick. There is a massive gap between a good young player which JC is, and a max contract guy which he's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted October 14, 2020 Premium Member Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 31 minutes ago, macdaddy said: Hmm. only things i can come up with are Embiid or Paul George. All stars on teams who think they can get Giannis? Embiid doesn't work with Capela though, unless we are trading Capela. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Dean Walker Posted October 14, 2020 Premium Member Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 That potential blockbuster screams porzingis to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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