JTB Posted November 16, 2020 Report Share Posted November 16, 2020 1 minute ago, thecampster said: Not a trade chip. I've been saying this for 2 weeks. Ok we believe you. So huerter is getting traded huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecampster Posted November 16, 2020 Report Share Posted November 16, 2020 In willingness to part with our trade chips are: Dedmon, Bruno, Huerter, (maybe) Hunter. (order of willingness). the draft rights to Alpha Kaba, Marcus Ericksson, Alain Digbeu and Augusto Binelli. Any current and future picks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucastheThird Posted November 16, 2020 Report Share Posted November 16, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, JeffS17 said: He's never been in Supes list of untradeable guys on our team, so either you guys disagree or what you really mean is he's not in any active discussions. No. @NBASupes has been clear. Trae, Cam, and Hunter are absolutely untouchable. Huerter and JC aren't being shopped, but if a team came with a good offer, we would listen. Edited November 16, 2020 by LucastheThird 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecampster Posted November 16, 2020 Report Share Posted November 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, JeffS17 said: He's never been in Supes list of untradeable guys on our team, so either you guys disagree or what you really mean is he's not in any active discussions. Oh he's tradeable...but the discussion is so out there that we would never get a package worth John. Further, John is a much better trade prospect at the deadline if you feel you can't get an extension done. Pre-draft is the absolute worst time to consider trading a player like Collins. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTB Posted November 16, 2020 Report Share Posted November 16, 2020 Just now, LucastheThird said: No. @NBASupes has been clear. Trae, Cam, and Hunter are absolutely untouchable. Huerter, JC, and Capela aren't being shopped, but if a team came with a good offer, we would listen. @thecampster also has sources and he’s been telling us that JC is untouchable as well . So really it leaves dedmon and huerter as the only player of the young core. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucastheThird Posted November 16, 2020 Report Share Posted November 16, 2020 Just now, JTB said: @thecampster also has sources and he’s been telling us that JC is untouchable as well . So really it leaves dedmon and huerter as the only player of the young core. Yeah, I was speaking on Supes' sources. But adding all the insider info together and we're only willing to trade Huerter and Dedmon. Which is great in my opinion, we never really got to see this whole group play together. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bleachkit Posted November 16, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 16, 2020 12 minutes ago, neanderballer said: So maybe not a trade chip? Shocked. I was just sure we were desperately shopping our ascending 23 year old 20 and 10 power forward. 3 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTB Posted November 16, 2020 Report Share Posted November 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, bleachkit said: Shocked. I was just sure we were desperately shopping our ascending 23 year old 20 and 10 power forward. Jury still out. Once he actually signs long term I will be the first to admit I was dead ass wrong . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Popular Post AHF Posted November 16, 2020 Moderators Popular Post Report Share Posted November 16, 2020 Trae is the only guy on the team who might be considered "untradeable" and even that is tough if you come up with some ridiculous hypotheticals. Like Cam is listed as "untouchable" for us but that just means "we wouldn't consider any offers that other teams would find reasonable but if Milwaukee offers an extended Giannis for him of course we would take that deal." With JC, there are probably some deals in the range of the somewhat realistic that we would listen to but it doesn't mean we are shopping him by any means. A realistic trade partner might view him as a 22 year old All-Star level talent and if they offer that value then TS is going to look long and hard at what they offer. But since he is getting paid $4M next year and has done nothing but significantly improve season-to-season, there is no reason to try to unload him at all. Huerter is a desirable trade target for a lot of teams given his low pay, steady production and young age. Given Cam's development, it is not outside the realm of possibility that a team could realistically offer something that makes sense. So TS will listen when they call and hang up when the value isn't there (as will be the case most of the time). 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted November 16, 2020 Report Share Posted November 16, 2020 Chris Paul's gonna be the greatest pg to never win anything. Suns'll finally make the playoffs tho so ... worth it? "It" being paying his old arse $40mills for the next several years. Yowch And can we stop the myth of Kelly WhOubre? Y'all have been pining for that dude for years. Literally years. Guys, if he was what y'all think he is, he wouldn't be bouncing from bad team to bad team to bad team. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTB Posted November 16, 2020 Report Share Posted November 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, LucastheThird said: Yeah, I was speaking on Supes' sources. But adding all the insider info together and we're only willing to trade Huerter and Dedmon. Which is great in my opinion, we never really got to see this whole group play together. Yup fair enough... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marco102 Posted November 16, 2020 Report Share Posted November 16, 2020 Just now, JTB said: Jury still out. Once he actually signs long term I will be the first to admit I was dead ass wrong . Why don't you like JC? He already exceeded the expectations you said he needed to prove in your thread. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kg01 Posted November 16, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 16, 2020 And about 3.5 milliseconds after trading Kevin Heurter, we'll be searching for the next Kevin Heurter. Grass ain't always greener, mayne. Let it breath ... unless you're bringin' back an actual difference maker. Then maybe we can talk. But, so far, I ain't heard no tell of anything that gets my attention in a Heurter trade. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTB Posted November 16, 2020 Report Share Posted November 16, 2020 1 minute ago, marco102 said: Why don't you like JC? He already exceeded the expectations you said he needed to prove in your thread. Lol I never said I didn’t like JC and I’ve said this multiple times. I guess I just don’t believe Schlenk is fully in on JC. If Collins is here long term great. We will know next off season for sure. I AM NOT MAD THAT JC REMAINS A HAWK....let’s be clear on that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marco102 Posted November 16, 2020 Report Share Posted November 16, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, JTB said: Lol I never said I didn’t like JC and I’ve said this multiple times. I guess I just don’t believe Schlenk is fully in on JC. If Collins is here long term great. We will know next off season for sure. I AM NOT MAD THAT JC REMAINS A HAWK....let’s be clear on that Yeah you don't say it out right but your posts sure indicate you'd like to have someone else. You were too happy to move JC for Siakiam and then you tend to down play him whenever you can. It's okay not to like someone just be upfront about it. I'm not the biggest Hunter fan but thats my bias for Cam..lol. Edited November 16, 2020 by marco102 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thecampster Posted November 16, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 16, 2020 On Court / Off Court stats Please see below. John Collins on court vs off court stats last year. Collins on floor was 3.7 points net better than Collins off floor. Both the Defense and Offense were better. He makes 1/2 of the average NBA player salary. He makes less than the vet minimum. You control his fate for as long as 5 years if you will it. There is no package that would be offered right now that can touch this. Many stats are shown on a 'per 48 minute' basis Stat ON Court OFF Court Net Minutes 1340 1855 41% Offense: Pts per 100 Poss. 109.5 108.1 +1.4 Defense: Pts per 100 Poss. 115.2 117.5 -2.3 Net Points per 100 Possessions -5.7 -9.4 +3.7 Points Scored 3162 4326 -1164 Points Allowed 3326 4696 -1370 Net Points -164 -370 +206 It is the same reason Trae Young is untouchable. Although team defense was better with Trae off the floor....the offense was a full 14.1 points per 100 possession better with him on it. On Court / Off Court stats Many stats are shown on a 'per 48 minute' basis Stat ON Court OFF Court Net Minutes 2085 1110 65% Offense: Pts per 100 Poss. 113.5 99.4 +14.1 Defense: Pts per 100 Poss. 118.7 112.4 +6.2 Net Points per 100 Possessions -5.2 -13.0 +7.9 These 2 are staying together. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleachkit Posted November 16, 2020 Report Share Posted November 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, marco102 said: Why don't you like JC? He already exceeded the expectations you said he needed to prove in your thread. The guy took Kevin on Trae to school in the recent practice on...free throw shooting. A 6'9" power forward. The man is a freak. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted November 16, 2020 Report Share Posted November 16, 2020 1 hour ago, thecampster said: Well to be fair...Hayes is most probably going to be the best point guard in this draft but he'll take a bit longer. Anthony should be able to play meaningful minutes fairly quickly. For anyone questioning campst's credibility, let the record reflect he got atleast one thing right in this thread. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleachkit Posted November 16, 2020 Report Share Posted November 16, 2020 11 minutes ago, kg01 said: And about 3.5 milliseconds after trading Kevin Heurter, we'll be searching for the next Kevin Heurter. Grass ain't always greener, mayne. Let it breath ... unless you're bringin' back an actual difference maker. Then maybe we can talk. But, so far, I ain't heard no tell of anything that gets my attention in a Heurter trade. At the end of the day, probably stay at #6, extend (or keep working on extending) John, no mega trade, add a solid free agent or two, and call it a day. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTB Posted November 16, 2020 Report Share Posted November 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, marco102 said: Yeah you don't say it out right but your posts sure indicate you'd like to have someone else. You were too happy to move JC for Siakiam and then you tend to down play him whenever you can. It's okay not to like someone just be upfront about it. I'm not the biggest Hunter fan but thats my bias for Cam..lol. No I’m being honest in my post ....with Siakiam I was excited about the defense around Trae. So that’s where the excitement comes in. I’m not down on Collins but he does need to improve the defense to be more of an impact player on winning. ive also noted things that I think Collins is elite at that don’t get mentioned enough like his off ball movement as a big. His rebounding has been impressive and shot development is really good. Collins two biggest issues are defense and having another offensive skill that can benefit his teammates like playmaking or putting the ball on the floor better. but the guy is 23 I’m not down on him by any means . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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