Premium Member Peoriabird Posted October 29, 2020 Premium Member Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 3 hours ago, gurpilo said: I don't think we should jugde Travis trades till now. We just continue to give this guy a pass for Evan Turner or Damien Jones trades or Vince Carter resigning or Jabari Parker signings or Chandler Parsons trades and this was just last year. IF he gives up draft capital for a washed up Derozen who didn't take the Spurs anywhere then we know what kind of GM he really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurpilo Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 hace 1 hora, Peoriabird dijo: We just continue to give this guy a pass for Evan Turner or Damien Jones trades or Vince Carter resigning or Jabari Parker signings or Chandler Parsons trades and this was just last year. IF he gives up draft capital for a washed up Derozen who didn't take the Spurs anywhere then we know what kind of GM he really is. Turner was brought to get rid of Bazemore, Jones for Spellman, Parker and Carter were vets on a transition... They wer not supposed to ve difference makers, just fillers. I agree the siginings worked worst than expected but they were just fillers. Now we are going to fill the team to start winning. We washed all those players for Dedmon, Capela, Teague and Skal that are real contributors. We will see how the offseason works, we nees to add a backup PG or 2, 2 wings and a big and those players are supposed to be contributors, we made clear we want to big now. Let's see how we do this offseason. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Popular Post JayBirdHawk Posted October 29, 2020 Premium Member Popular Post Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 11 hours ago, Peoriabird said: Its not about the board deciding on who should be a Hawk but rather the competence of the front office. I just haven't been impressed with Travis Schlenk thus far. All of the report regarding his trade targets make no sense for this team. He was gifted Capela but otherwise his trades have been garbage. I'm worried! Gifted? Huh, how so? We didn't get Capela for free. We had what both Minny and Houston wanted from his prior trades - pick, capspace and 1 year expiring contracts. We traded for Crabbe and got the #17 pick to take his expiring. He then flipped them for Capela and Teague. He traded back for Dedmon and 2 2nds. I hated the Evan Turner trade. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Popular Post JayBirdHawk Posted October 29, 2020 Premium Member Popular Post Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 I agree with this take: Quote If you were Schlenk, what would you try to do with the sixth pick? John Hollinger: Here’s the thing if you’re the Hawks: You don’t want to go so hard to get the eighth seed in the East that it ends up being all you ever get out of this core. I’ve seen too many other teams sabotage rebuilds in the name of pyrrhic short-term victories like this one. Making the playoffs will be great fun for a couple of days, then they’ll get their brains beat in the first round and have to figure out how to actually become good. The player who will make a difference in a 2020-21 playoff pursuit probably isn’t available with the sixth pick in the draft, so it’s tempting to put the pick in play for short-term help. But this is also likely to be the best draft pick the Hawks will have for quite some time, especially if they make the right decisions the next few years. It would be organizational malpractice to waste their last good opportunity to draft a long-term difference-maker just to squeeze out 43 wins instead of 37. So, in spite of the push for short-term results, I would have to be awfully tempted before I put that sixth overall pick in play. The Hawks have more free-agent money than any team in the league and still have several future picks they can put into play if they really need a draft asset to get a trade over the finish line. But even in a weak-looking draft, the Hawks can’t be so delusional about short-term micro-goals that they punt on building a long-term winner. Kirschner: I agree that they should look at the long-term picture over fighting for the eighth or seventh seed this upcoming season, but if they don’t make the playoffs for the fourth straight year, changes certainly could happen. It is crazy to say because of how deliberate the organization has been about taking its time in trying to build a strong young core, but it does seem like there’s some pressure now to get out of this growth-and-development phase it has been preaching for the past two years. But are you saying you wouldn’t consider any trades down in the draft? In our beat writer mock draft last month, I offered our New York Knicks writer, Mike Vorkunov, No. 6 for Nos. 8 and 38 and Dennis Smith Jr., as someone who could fill the Brandon Goodwin spot as a third guard. I tried to get Frank Ntilikina, but no dice. The Ringer’s Kevin O’Connor proposed a deal of No. 6 to San Antonio for No. 11 and DeMar DeRozan. It’s not a move I would make, and honestly, it’s pretty bad and should be a non-starter for Atlanta. I’m sure there’s a way to have back-channel conversations with his agent if the Hawks truly wanted to target DeRozan in free agency. Would you advise them to just stick at No. 6 and grab the best player available as opposed to moving back a few spots to add a player/additional draft compensation? Hollinger: One random thought on the playoffs question: If we don’t have fans in seats next year, does that give Schlenk a mulligan on going all-in for this year? I presume part of the push for the playoffs is to make the Hawks relevant in this market, but if they can’t sell it, what’s the point? Anyway, back to your question. I’m not fundamentally opposed to trading back in the draft, if the Hawks have a player or players targeted they think are roughly equivalent. It’s certainly much better than trading up to get a player who wasn’t any better than if they stayed put. (Too soon?) In particular, one can see merit in doing something like this to acquire a young player, somebody who can still functionally act as a draft pick in terms of the timeline with Young and Collins but be in a better position to help immediately. (But please, not Smith. He’s terrible.) For instance, if the Phoenix Suns wanted to put Kelly Oubre Jr. on the table to move from No. 10 to No. 6, the Hawks absolutely should engage. On the other hand, trading down to overpay DeRozan or some other random veteran for a year is completely nuts. His contract has negative value, and the Spurs should be paying Atlanta to take him, not the other way around. https://theathletic.com/2167226/2020/10/29/atlanta-hawks-nba-draft/ 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurpilo Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 hace 1 hora, JayBirdHawk dijo: I agree with this take: https://theathletic.com/2167226/2020/10/29/atlanta-hawks-nba-draft/ Could not agree more, I don't want a 30 year old rental for one year. All in prospects for me are: Edwards, Ball, Wiseman, Okongwu, if any of those are available take him. Good prospects are Advija, Toppin, Hayes and Haliburton. Chose the pick between these 8 players if a cannot reject offer do not become available. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NBASupes Posted October 29, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 Hollinger gets it but I did get intel that Atlanta wants to add to their core, not be short sighted about it. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrell Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, Peoriabird said: Its not about the board deciding on who should be a Hawk but rather the competence of the front office. I just haven't been impressed with Travis Schlenk thus far. All of the report regarding his trade targets make no sense for this team. He was gifted Capela but otherwise his trades have been garbage. I'm worried! "He was gifted Capela"..Stop it. Some fools actually wanted him to trade a core piece for Drummond.If youre not gonna even give him credit for the Capela deal, you should just stop posting.. Edited October 29, 2020 by terrell 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrell Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Peoriabird said: We just continue to give this guy a pass for Evan Turner or Damien Jones trades or Vince Carter resigning or Jabari Parker signings or Chandler Parsons trades and this was just last year. IF he gives up draft capital for a washed up Derozen who didn't take the Spurs anywhere then we know what kind of GM he really is. Jabari was a good signing. He only failed when he was asked to be a starter after Collins suspension.. Jones and Spellman is a wash.... VC was here for leadership. Show our young guys how to be pros. Derozan trade is made up.. Edited October 29, 2020 by terrell 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrell Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 2 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said: I agree with this take: https://theathletic.com/2167226/2020/10/29/atlanta-hawks-nba-draft/ "changes certainly could happen" Looking at you LP................ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators macdaddy Posted October 29, 2020 Moderators Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 I know i shouldn't even bring it up but i just don't understand the "Travis has sucked, team was garbage, why didn't LP take them to the playoffs" position. Good news is this offseason is going to play out soon. I'm thinking we are going to be be pleasantly surprised. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrell Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 44 minutes ago, gurpilo said: Could not agree more, I don't want a 30 year old rental for one year. All in prospects for me are: Edwards, Ball, Wiseman, Okongwu, if any of those are available take him. Good prospects are Advija, Toppin, Hayes and Haliburton. Chose the pick between these 8 players if a cannot reject offer do not become available. Im taking Okoro, Advija, Toppin, Hali, Okungwu, or Hayes over Edwards, Ball, or Wiseman..... I may get fired for doing iti n the long run, but its just something about those 3 players I dont like.......Overhyped and risky being two of those things..lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin24Williams Posted October 29, 2020 Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 I'm not opposed to it if we get good value in return. However, most mocks or trades I've seen have us trading for someone like DeRozan or another expiring contract. What's the point of giving up #6 for a 1 year rental who may or may not resign. If a deal's not there don't force it. Just keep the pick and fill out the roster with cheap options who can help the team win next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Peoriabird Posted October 29, 2020 Premium Member Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 8 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said: Gifted? Huh, how so? We didn't get Capela for free. Yes gifted! Houston was looking to get rid of Capela for stupid reasons like to improve Westbrook's play. This Allowed the Hawks to under pay for Capela. Y'all should send thank you card to the old Houston GM because I'm sure the new GM would not even think about making the same move. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post warcore Posted October 29, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 21 minutes ago, Peoriabird said: Yes gifted! Houston was looking to get rid of Capela for stupid reasons like to improve Westbrook's play. This Allowed the Hawks to under pay for Capela. Y'all should send thank you card to the old Houston GM because I'm sure the new GM would not even think about making the same move. So what you're saying is Travis took advantage of someone else's poor judgement and bent him over in a trade? I knew you'd see it our way eventually. 5 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Popular Post JayBirdHawk Posted October 29, 2020 Premium Member Popular Post Report Share Posted October 29, 2020 38 minutes ago, warcore said: So what you're saying is Travis took advantage of someone else's poor judgement and bent him over in a trade? I knew you'd see it our way eventually. Well played, wrapped up in a neat little bow. 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Sothron Posted October 30, 2020 Premium Member Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 3 hours ago, Peoriabird said: Yes gifted! Houston was looking to get rid of Capela for stupid reasons like to improve Westbrook's play. This Allowed the Hawks to under pay for Capela. Y'all should send thank you card to the old Houston GM because I'm sure the new GM would not even think about making the same move. I agree with you that LP isn't impressing me as a HC but our GM so far has done a good job. The big question we haven't seen yet is from the owners. Will they actually PAY someone to stay here? This JC extension is going to tell me a lot about how serious our ownership is about trying to win. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted October 30, 2020 Premium Member Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 I will pass for this 1 year rental....again. I'd be amenable to a pick swap of #6 for #13 and Jrue if he picks up his option. Quote The Atlanta Hawks are looking to move the sixth pick for some veteran leadership to help Trae Young win quicker. Holiday would be a perfect backcourt mate next to Young, especially considering Holiday feels much more comfortable as the guy off the ball. He would provide great defense and leadership. If the Hawks managed to throw the sixth pick, Dewayne Dedmon’s $13.3 million contract for next season (only $1 million guaranteed in ’21-22), and a future pick, that would be the start???? of a really good trade package for Holiday. It wouldn’t be about the Pelicans needing the sixth pick necessarily. They’re plenty young already. But it’s an asset to flip down the road as they try to navigate the small market existence with maximizing value all around. https://theathletic.com/2162206/2020/10/29/nba-draft-questions-what-to-do-at-no-1-trade-jrue-holiday-and-more/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDawg#8 Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 Anyone find it interesting that not only did Trae not sit with Lebron and AD at the Klutch workout, but that they were on opposite sides of the court too. I like reading in to stuff like that. Is it a respect thing? Or an ego thing? Im glad Trae wasnt all up their butts being buddy buddy, further proof he isn't worried about trying to join a super team or chase Lebron. He is able to be his own person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_dirt Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 hour ago, RedDawg#8 said: Anyone find it interesting that not only did Trae not sit with Lebron and AD at the Klutch workout, but that they were on opposite sides of the court too. I like reading in to stuff like that. Is it a respect thing? Or an ego thing? Im glad Trae wasnt all up their butts being buddy buddy, further proof he isn't worried about trying to join a super team or chase Lebron. He is able to be his own person Literal social distancing 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marco102 Posted November 2, 2020 Report Share Posted November 2, 2020 On 10/30/2020 at 6:37 PM, RedDawg#8 said: Anyone find it interesting that not only did Trae not sit with Lebron and AD at the Klutch workout, but that they were on opposite sides of the court too. I like reading in to stuff like that. Is it a respect thing? Or an ego thing? Im glad Trae wasnt all up their butts being buddy buddy, further proof he isn't worried about trying to join a super team or chase Lebron. He is able to be his own person They dapped each other up at the end though. Trae seems to friendly with both Maxey and Edwards. Edwards said Trae wanted him in Atl.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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