Carmine Posted December 9, 2020 Report Share Posted December 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, macdaddy said: Harden makes zero sense in Atlanta and he doesn't want to be here so no. But Harden could easily take the right team to the finals especially in the east. If I'm the sixers i'm making it happen. I'd make that trade but he doesn't want to be here so it's a moot point. Keep the players that are true to Atlanta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddielives Posted December 9, 2020 Report Share Posted December 9, 2020 Harden is starting to become a bit Dwight Howard like with his reputation. Too many red flags indicating he might be no fun to play with. We had an iso guy in Joe for many years and I’m not wanting to harken back to that type of basketball. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted December 9, 2020 Moderators Report Share Posted December 9, 2020 11 hours ago, kg01 said: Regular season Lion-O, postseason Snarf...snarf. Switch him and KD and Harden is the one winning rings with Curry, Klay, Green, et al. LeBron never wins without stud wingmen. Nobody does it alone. And I don't think Harden is the perfect player or anything but I think he is plenty good enough to win if he had Wade and Bosh or the GS guys, etc. Like last year he beasted in the playoffs (almost 30 ppg on .636% TS%) but his supporting cast was: * Westbrook (42% fg%, 24% 3pt%) * Eric Gordon (41% / 32%) and * role players averaging 11 points or lower and playing D, etc. That isn't much of a supporting cast. Robert Covington was the second best at 1.3 WS and .169 WS/48 and that is by a large margin as the rest of the crew was very unimpressive. Westbrook was actually a negative Win Share. No comparison to the 4.5 Win Shares and .284 WS/48 number seen from Anthony Davis, etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Peoriabird Posted December 9, 2020 Premium Member Report Share Posted December 9, 2020 24 minutes ago, AHF said: Switch him and KD and Harden is the one winning rings with Curry, Klay, Green, et al. LeBron never wins without stud wingmen. Nobody does it alone. And I don't think Harden is the perfect player or anything but I think he is plenty good enough to win if he had Wade and Bosh or the GS guys, etc. Like last year he beasted in the playoffs (almost 30 ppg on .636% TS%) but his supporting cast was: * Westbrook (42% fg%, 24% 3pt%) * Eric Gordon (41% / 32%) and * role players averaging 11 points or lower and playing D, etc. That isn't much of a supporting cast. Robert Covington was the second best at 1.3 WS and .169 WS/48 and that is by a large margin as the rest of the crew was very unimpressive. Westbrook was actually a negative Win Share. No comparison to the 4.5 Win Shares and .284 WS/48 number seen from Anthony Davis, etc. Didn't Harden play with Durant and Westbrook in OKC? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted December 9, 2020 Report Share Posted December 9, 2020 23 minutes ago, AHF said: Switch him and KD and Harden is the one winning rings with Curry, Klay, Green, et al. LeBron never wins without stud wingmen. Nobody does it alone. And I don't think Harden is the perfect player or anything but I think he is plenty good enough to win if he had Wade and Bosh or the GS guys, etc. Like last year he beasted in the playoffs (almost 30 ppg on .636% TS%) but his supporting cast was: * Westbrook (42% fg%, 24% 3pt%) * Eric Gordon (41% / 32%) and * role players averaging 11 points or lower and playing D, etc. That isn't much of a supporting cast. Robert Covington was the second best at 1.3 WS and .169 WS/48 and that is by a large margin as the rest of the crew was very unimpressive. Westbrook was actually a negative Win Share. No comparison to the 4.5 Win Shares and .284 WS/48 number seen from Anthony Davis, etc. I think we just differ on attitude. I don't think Harden is the type to change how he plays (significantly) based on who he's playing with. I posit, if he had a better cast, he'd still dribble the ball 25 seconds then shoot or bail-out pass. You seem to be suggesting he'd morph into a win-at-all-costs guy. I disagree. He's gotten fat and happy just being what he is. He's been catered too for way too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted December 9, 2020 Moderators Report Share Posted December 9, 2020 34 minutes ago, Peoriabird said: Didn't Harden play with Durant and Westbrook in OKC? Yes - they went 47-19 and lost to LeBron in the NBA finals. This is before Harden was fully developed as he was just a little younger than Trae. OKC dealt Harden and never made the finals again. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Mule Posted December 9, 2020 Report Share Posted December 9, 2020 Thoughts about a Harden trade from the old man. It will be almost impossible for Houston to obtain what they want in exchange for Hardin, Why? Because there must be a payroll $$$ match within a few dollars. It requires either another all star player on a high contract or a bunch of smaller. Houston doesn't want another big contract. What do they want? Some young players on reasonable contracts and a bunch of unprotected first round draft picks. Houston wants exactly what the Hawks have right now in exchange for Harden! Wow !! Here's a trade I would not do - - All Hawk players under contract right now for all of Houston's players under contract right now. How about you? Would you do this deal ?? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted December 9, 2020 Moderators Report Share Posted December 9, 2020 Houston is in free fall right now. I don't think anybody here would trade our roster for their team (or even their roster from last year knowing what we know about the dynamics in play. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post terrell Posted December 9, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 9, 2020 17 hours ago, NBASupes said: Atlanta is not on his list. It's best to avoid altogether for the Hawks Surprising, considering all of the strip clubs...lol 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Peoriabird Posted December 9, 2020 Premium Member Report Share Posted December 9, 2020 4 hours ago, AHF said: Yes - they went 47-19 and lost to LeBron in the NBA finals. This is before Harden was fully developed as he was just a little younger than Trae. OKC dealt Harden and never made the finals again. Wade won a finals MVP in his 3rd year right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted December 9, 2020 Moderators Report Share Posted December 9, 2020 38 minutes ago, Peoriabird said: Wade won a finals MVP in his 3rd year right? Yes he did. (He was in his prime and two years older than Harden and Trae.) He and Shaq made a potent combination. Shaq was 1st Team All-NBA that year while Wade was 2nd Team All-NBA. Good squad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cwell Posted December 9, 2020 Report Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Peoriabird said: Wade won a finals MVP in his 3rd year right? Might have been on his way in his 2nd season if he didn't get hurt against Detroit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFuzz Posted December 9, 2020 Report Share Posted December 9, 2020 19 hours ago, AHF said: Feel like people are going overboard with the Harden hate here. His teams have won a ton of games without him having a true second star. He is a superstar. I agree he probably isn’t the right fit for our team but you do a deal if the price is right and he wants to be here. I suspect he doesn’t want to be here but let’s not pretend like he is Zach Lavine or Andrew Wiggins or something. Always the voice of reason. I have no love for Harden or his game but I wouldn't rule it out completely. Still a weird fit between him and Trae, and we'd be scrambling into championship mode. It would be tough to make it worth it but the upside is high (maybe even championship high) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin capstone21 Posted December 10, 2020 Admin Report Share Posted December 10, 2020 Harden would be a great fit in Philly but it would cost Simmons ... I don’t think he is a great fit in Brooklyn and it would cost all their depth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member mrhonline Posted December 10, 2020 Premium Member Report Share Posted December 10, 2020 The Hawks could be a good 3rd team in a Harden trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin capstone21 Posted December 10, 2020 Admin Report Share Posted December 10, 2020 38 minutes ago, mrhonline said: The Hawks could be a good 3rd team in a Harden trade. Why do we need to make any moves right now? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Peoriabird Posted December 10, 2020 Premium Member Report Share Posted December 10, 2020 2 hours ago, capstone21 said: Why do we need to make any moves right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmine Posted December 10, 2020 Report Share Posted December 10, 2020 6 hours ago, Cwell said: Might have been on his way in his 2nd season if he didn't get hurt against Detroit Was my favorite player of that era, gonna feel surreal when LeBron hangs it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted December 10, 2020 Report Share Posted December 10, 2020 19 hours ago, terrell said: Surprising, considering all of the strip clubs...lol Speaking of clubs, based on today's report, Har_en's added MIA to his list. MIL too, which is particularly galling considering he basically called Giannis a fake-MVP last year. Well, why you wanna play with 'im then, bro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators macdaddy Posted December 10, 2020 Moderators Report Share Posted December 10, 2020 1 hour ago, kg01 said: Speaking of clubs, based on today's report, Har_en's added MIA to his list. MIL too, which is particularly galling considering he basically called Giannis a fake-MVP last year. Well, why you wanna play with 'im then, bro? I think this means Harden is going to Miami. Riley has to realize that the Heat as currently constructed probably aren't going back to finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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