Spud2nique Posted February 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2021 (edited) Wow.. If you don’t count Tormohlen (whoever he was), Lloyd is statistically the WORST. Lon Kruger at .361 and Lloyd is at .346 ! Paging Schlenk!!! https://www.nba.com/hawks/history/Hawks-All-Time-Coaching-Records.html 1953-57 William "Red" Holzman 83 120 .409 1956-57 Slater Martin 5 3 .625 1956-58 Alex Hannum 56 47 .544 1958-59 Andy Phillip 6 4 .600 1958-60 Ed Macauley 89 48 .650 1960-62 Paul Seymour 56 37 .602 1961-62 Bob Pettit 4 2 .667 1962-65 Harry Gallatin 111 82 .575 1964-72 Richie Guerin 327 291 .529 1972-76 Cotton Fitzsimmons 140 180 .438 1975-76 Gene Tormohlen 1 7 .125 1976-81 Hubie Brown 199 208 .489 1980-81 Michael Fratello/ Brendan Suhr 0-3 3 .000 1981-83 Kevin Loughery 85 79 .518 1983-90 Michael Fratello 324 250 .564 1990-93 Bob Weiss 124 122 .504 1993-2000 Lenny Wilkins 310 232 ..572 2001-03 Lon Kruger 69 122 .361 2002-04 Terry Stotts 52 85 .380 2004-10 Mike Woodson 206 286 .419 2010-2013 Larry Drew 128 102 .557 2013-Present Mike Budenholzer - - .000 Edited February 28, 2021 by Spud2nique Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Final_quest Posted February 28, 2021 Report Share Posted February 28, 2021 18 hours ago, Spud2nique said: If you’re gonna do it, like a band aid one rip, RIGHT OFF!!!! Now would be better than tomorrow, tomorrow would be better than the following day... etc. That would be the right thing to do, but in the real world a GM cares about optics and perception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted February 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Final_quest said: optics and perception. What the hell? How long you been waitin to squeeze that into the convo. https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/f81426a7-2b6a-44b8-9522-eae8f1c2eb32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted March 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 Loser Lloyd getting ready to make more excuses, stayed tuned. BUM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted March 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 Looks like the last 2 games for coach Lloyd as he will be let go during the all star break. Florida will be his last stop. Last 3 days of being the Hawks coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators macdaddy Posted March 1, 2021 Moderators Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 I'm ready but I don't believe it will happen. Travis and ownership love him too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Posted March 1, 2021 Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 (edited) Pelicans fans are not enthused with SVG; but at least he knows which way is up. The below is on him talking about their problems as a team. Quote “That’s the problem, when you have to shoot the ball well to win,” Van Gundy said. “That’s going to be a problem. Guys are going to have bad nights shooting the ball. You’ve got to be able to win games where you don’t shoot well, and right now we can’t. We’re totally dependent on our offense to win games, and that’s not going to take you very far.” That is real coach speak. Not the energy, effort, and shots just not falling BS. SVG has no delusions that Nicolo Melli and Wenyen Gabriel are centers. If he can play Hernangómez and Hayes at center, Pierce can play Okongwu and Fernando at center. Please get over these offensive first rotations with Gallo and play some of your best defenders, If Pierce would have started the season doing this, they would be ahead of the curve. Edited March 1, 2021 by Buzzard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted March 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 Has the tuna been canned yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorthCydeRises Posted March 1, 2021 Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 2 hours ago, Buzzard said: Pelicans fans are not enthused with SVG; but at least he knows which way is up. The below is on him talking about their problems as a team. That is real coach speak. Not the energy, effort, and shots just not falling BS. SVG has no delusions that Nicolo Melli and Wenyen Gabriel are centers. If he can play Hernangómez and Hayes at center, Pierce can play Okongwu and Fernando at center. Please get over these offensive first rotations with Gallo and play some of your best defenders, If Pierce would have started the season doing this, they would be ahead of the curve. I've talked about team balance since the start of the season. When everyone was healthy, it was easy to keep the team balanced. But when LP tried to get all of his new guys and wings the minutes they supposedly needed, that's when the problems began. He sacrificed the value of constantly having rebounding and rim defending bigs in the game, for guys who supposedly could shoot the basketball. Say what you want about guys like Bruno and Onyeka on offense, their true value is on the defensive end. If a guy like Solo barely gives you any offense, why not play a mobile big in his place that can rebound and rim protect far better than he can? Defense can generate offense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thecampster Posted March 1, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 (edited) On 2/27/2021 at 3:21 AM, Spud2nique said: Hand the reigns to Nate already. Nate with the Pacers: 2017-18 48-34 2018-19 48-34 2019-20 45-28 Lloyd with us: 2018-19 29-53 2019-20 20-47 2020-2021 14-19... on pace for 31-41 (that’s not gonna make the playoffs) 2021-2022 He won’t make it.. Cut our losses now and roll with Nate. It’ll give the team a wake up call and they will know that this isn’t a part time job and people should be held accountable for minutes on the floor and playing their part or they will get no playing time or get traded. Schlenk’s move... I do not have as quick of a trigger as you, but I came very close last night to saying the same. In the first half, after Trae left the game, Miami began full court pressure and a tight half court trapping zone. Now anyone who has played high school, college level ball knows the best way to beat the full court pressure is bring your center to half court, race a wing up the sidelines, throw a pass half court to your center who then hits the wing in stride to attack the basket...2 pass press break. And anyone who has ever faced a zone like they saw in the first half knows that curls on the elbows breaks down the zone. It went on for a full 5 minutes and LP didn't call a time out. Didn't drop any knowledge on the kids. Get them on the same page. My wife threatened to change the channel to calm me down. I was livid. That should never ever happen in a pro game. It was embarrassing and LP needs to take a very hard look in the mirror. That can never happen again. That was more embarrassing than a Trae nutmeg. IMHO, that's strike 2. Edited March 1, 2021 by thecampster 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted March 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, thecampster said: My wife My wife did worse than that. She said, wait a minute, you loved Lloyd when you hired him a few years ago. I ran out of the house and cannonballed into the jacuzzi to let off steam. I prolly shoulda cannoned into the pool. Ugh 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted March 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 6 hours ago, macdaddy said: Travis and ownership love him too much. You cannot combine friendship with business. They all say they know that but human emotion does tend to get in the way. If Schlenk is truly professional though he shouldn’t let it get in the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted March 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 11 hours ago, Spud2nique said: Looks like the last 2 games for coach Lloyd as he will be let go during the all star break. Florida will be his last stop. Last 3 days of being the Hawks coach. Inside source here! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators macdaddy Posted March 1, 2021 Moderators Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 7 hours ago, macdaddy said: I'm ready but I don't believe it will happen. Travis and ownership love him too much. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted March 1, 2021 Premium Member Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 1 minute ago, macdaddy said: You should have added the 'but there's a chance gif' to cover yourself. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecampster Posted March 1, 2021 Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Spud2nique said: My wife did worse than that. She said, wait a minute, you loved Lloyd when you hired him a few years ago. I ran out of the house and cannonballed into the jacuzzi to let off steam. I prolly shoulda cannoned into the pool. Ugh Not gonna lie. I saw this coming. That lack of adjustment to the zone had me irate. I can only wonder what Rondo and Gallo said behind closed doors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted March 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, thecampster said: Not gonna lie. I saw this coming. If you hadn’t I’d be worried about your eye 👁 sight? I think 95% of people saw it coming. I’m glad it happened though because I was getting worried that Lloyd had Schlenk tied up in a basement somewhere. 18 minutes ago, macdaddy said: I was gonna say something I’m glad you did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted March 1, 2021 Premium Member Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 1 hour ago, thecampster said: I do not have as quick of a trigger as you, but I came very close last night to saying the same. In the first half, after Trae left the game, Miami began full court pressure and a tight half court trapping zone. Now anyone who has played high school, college level ball knows the best way to beat the full court pressure is bring your center to half court, race a wing up the sidelines, throw a pass half court to your center who then hits the wing in stride to attack the basket...2 pass press break. And anyone who has ever faced a zone like they saw in the first half knows that curls on the elbows breaks down the zone. It went on for a full 5 minutes and LP didn't call a time out. Didn't drop any knowledge on the kids. Get them on the same page. My wife threatened to change the channel to calm me down. I was livid. That should never ever happen in a pro game. It was embarrassing and LP needs to take a very hard look in the mirror. That can never happen again. That was more embarrassing than a Trae nutmeg. IMHO, that's strike 2. You called it with this zone stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecampster Posted March 1, 2021 Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said: You called it with this zone stuff. A grown 50 year old man should not be behaving like I was. I was bounded out of my chair yelling "call a flipping timeout. Come on!!!" Yes, that has been cleaned up for the weak souled among us. I have quietly allowed Peoria to champion this all year as I've been really rooting for LP. There are some things he does really well. Adjustments, good use of time outs, proper use of personnel are not on that list. He does a good job sticking up for the guys and has a good grasp of instituting offense in practice but being a head coach is much more complicated. There is no world where this teams should be under 500. I can lay at least 8 losses solely on LP. Edited March 1, 2021 by thecampster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted March 1, 2021 Premium Member Report Share Posted March 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, thecampster said: A grown 50 year old man should not be behaving like I was. I was bounded out of my chair yelling "call a flipping timeout. Come on!!!" Yes, that has been cleaned up for the weak souled among us. ...I had the opposite reaction...I was like ...what am I looking at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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