Hack a Ben

[JayBirdHawk]

1 hour ago, Thomas said:

Dean Smith would concur. Mastery of the clock wins close games all the time. Anyway we won and am still reflecting on the best touch pass I have seen this entire season with just a few seconds left by Trae to JC. Clutch All Star point guard in the clutch. Sorry, got carried away again.

Not many players would have attempted that pass and been that accurate.

[Thomas]

11 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Not many players would have attempted that pass and been that accurate.

There is a saying that a Chihuahua has the courage and heart of a Lion. Trae's courage and heart are so off the scale. 

[hawkman]

23 minutes ago, Thomas said:

There is a saying that a Chihuahua has the courage and heart of a Lion. Trae's courage and heart are so off the scale. 

That's contagious. The team is taking on Trae's Playoff mindset. The guys are doing some uncharacteristic things out there. Huerter burying a clutch 3 and then staring down the 76ers bench or Bogi hitting a clutch three and giving the fans the "hush" gesture. Capela finger waving like Deke and  talking trash in the media during the Knicks series.There's a confident swagger there that I haven't seen from these guys during the season.  I'm loving it.

[JayBirdHawk]

1 minute ago, hawkman said:

That's contagious. The team is taking on Trae's Playoff mindset. The guys are doing some uncharacteristic things out there. Huerter burying a clutch 3 and then staring down the 76ers bench or Bogi hitting a clutch three and giving the fans the "hush" gesture. Capela finger waving like Deke and  talking trash in the media during the Knicks series.There's a confident swagger there that I haven't seen from these guys during the season.  I'm loving it.

Love it!

I mean look at Trae's reaction after losing G2 in NYK - head held high telling fans we taking it back to the A. Bold and brash with the chops to back it up.

[Diesel]

9 hours ago, High5 said:

You’re ignoring the most important part: the clock. There are 16 seconds left and you’re not allowing any of that time to go when you immediately foul Simmons. Nate (or whoever made the call) was overthinking in that moment and it almost cost us the game.

That's not important if I get possession??  If I get possession then they are forced to foul my shooter.   My shooter that is going to do better than 3 for 10. 

This is not 1960.  There are three point shooters.  They can drop threes.  Why let them even get a look at a three when we can limit their points and FU their confidence.   You're picking Seth Curry's 44% over Ben Simmons 30%....

 

 

[AHF]

14 hours ago, Diesel said:

That's not important if I get possession??  If I get possession then they are forced to foul my shooter.   My shooter that is going to do better than 3 for 10. 

This is not 1960.  There are three point shooters.  They can drop threes.  Why let them even get a look at a three when we can limit their points and FU their confidence.   You're picking Seth Curry's 44% over Ben Simmons 30%....

 

 

Simmons is a 60% shooter fwiw.  You can't just see him shooting 1-5 in a game and assume he will shoot 1-5 on the next 5 free throws.  

IMO, it is very dangerous to stop the clock and put someone on the line when the score is that close.

[Atlantaholic]

21 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Love it!

I mean look at Trae's reaction after losing G2 in NYK - head held high telling fans we taking it back to the A. Bold and brash with the chops to back it up.

A lot less confident after this last game though. Everyone could see we pretty much gave game 2 away vs NY and that we were the better team, but 76ers really dominated us for the most part. The team needs to regroup. 

Edited June 9, 2021 by Atlantaholic

[Spud2nique]

In effect tonight. Look for it. McMillan do it.

[cam1218]

Hack a Ben, F the Sixers. I dunno @Spud2nique I’m just happy!

[Diesel]

[Spud2nique]

It worked tonight in the comeback.

Ben Simmons 4-14 FT.  Good for 28.6%

[Spud2nique]

 

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[HawkingAwesome]

2 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

 

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oof lower case goat

[lethalweapon3]

One more Hawks win, and Gameboy will have plenty of time.

~mmmm1lan0s

[Gray Mule]

Late in last night's game, Atlanta holding a three point edge and time running out, instead of a three point attempt, Embiid drove inside.  He collected a foul.  Two free throws would cut the lead to one, not tie the game.  He missed both.  The then had to foul Trae.  Hitting one made it a two point gap.  Ice Trae made them both!  Ball game was over at this point.  Hawks win!!

[Diesel]

[AHF]

1 minute ago, Diesel said:

Everyone agrees that hacking Ben is a solid play this series.  The strategic decision is do you hack him when you are leading down the stretch in a close game.  He has been garbage at the line but you give the Sixers a chance to score with no time coming off the clock so it isn't a no-brainer.

Last night, the Hawks chose not to hack Ben in that situation and it paid off.

[Diesel]

2 minutes ago, AHF said:

Everyone agrees that hacking Ben is a solid play this series.  The strategic decision is do you hack him when you are leading down the stretch in a close game.  He has been garbage at the line but you give the Sixers a chance to score with no time coming off the clock so it isn't a no-brainer.

Last night, the Hawks chose not to hack Ben in that situation and it paid off.

Uhm...

We did hack a ben.. and the hack a ben strategy worked so well that Doc took him off the court.   Think about that.   Ben can get to the Basket any time he wants to get there... he proved that.. Well, late in the game, when the 76ers need a bucket...  Ben is either on the perimeter staying out of the way or  on the bench.   The strategy takes away one of their most lethal weapons and we're still arguing about what would the ghost of Dean Smith Do??

[AHF]

Just now, Diesel said:

Uhm...

We did hack a ben.. and the hack a ben strategy worked so well that Doc took him off the court.   Think about that.   Ben can get to the Basket any time he wants to get there... he proved that.. Well, late in the game, when the 76ers need a bucket...  Ben is either on the perimeter staying out of the way or  on the bench.   The strategy takes away one of their most lethal weapons and we're still arguing about what would the ghost of Dean Smith Do??

Not being able to have bad free throw shooters like Capela, Simmons, etc. on the floor down the stretch is a known positive for opponents facing these suspect shooters - sometimes coaches bench these good players and sometimes they don't.  The team defending the bad FT shooter doesn't make a strategic choice about whether to play the FT shooting liability. The strategic question for the team defending that bad FT shooter goes to whether to stop the clock with a hack when that player is on the floor and you are winning.  That didn't happen last night.  In fact, Philly didn't even bench him down the stretch until the final shot.

If your point is that Ben is a bad free throw shooter then we agree.  If your point is that teams should be hacking him when leading Philly by a slim margin in the last minute or so, then last night is not the case for that proposition.

Let's look at the tape:

2:29 left in the game, Simmons is on the floor.  Atlanta trails by 4. 

2:17 Trae nails a floater. 102-104 Philly lead

Hawks consciously don't foul Simmons and play straight up D.

 1:49 Harris misses 

1:26 Trae is fouled and hits 3 FT.  105-104 Hawks lead

Philly makes an offense/defense swap by putting Thybulle in the game but leaves Simmons on the floor.

Hawks consciously don't foul Simmons and play straight up D.

1:13 Harris misses; on stopped ball Thybulle comes back in.  Simmons remains on the floor.

0:52 Gallo hits the fadeaway  107-104 Hawks lead

Philly leaves Simmons on the floor.

Hawks consciously don't foul Simmons and play straight up D.

0:45 Curry misses a 3

0:24 Trae misses a 3

0:21  Philly timeout.  Philly leaves Simmons on the floor.

Hawks consciously don't foul Simmons and play straight up D.

0:10 Gallo fouls Embiid who misses both FT

0:10 Atlanta timeout

0:08 Trae goes to the line to hit 2 109-104 Hawks lead

Only now when shooting a desperation 3 does Philly sub Simmons out.  Korkmaz misses the 3, Curry hits a 2 and game over.

 

So last night was absolutely a case study for whether the Hawks would chose to hack Simmons when the game was close down the stretch and they clearly chose not to do so.  

 

[macdaddy]

1 hour ago, AHF said:

Not being able to have bad free throw shooters like Capela, Simmons, etc. on the floor down the stretch is a known positive for opponents facing these suspect shooters - sometimes coaches bench these good players and sometimes they don't.  The team defending the bad FT shooter doesn't make a strategic choice about whether to play the FT shooting liability. The strategic question for the team defending that bad FT shooter goes to whether to stop the clock with a hack when that player is on the floor and you are winning.  That didn't happen last night.  In fact, Philly didn't even bench him down the stretch until the final shot.

If your point is that Ben is a bad free throw shooter then we agree.  If your point is that teams should be hacking him when leading Philly by a slim margin in the last minute or so, then last night is not the case for that proposition.

Let's look at the tape:

2:29 left in the game, Simmons is on the floor.  Atlanta trails by 4. 

2:17 Trae nails a floater. 102-104 Philly lead

Hawks consciously don't foul Simmons and play straight up D.

 1:49 Harris misses 

1:26 Trae is fouled and hits 3 FT.  105-104 Hawks lead

Philly makes an offense/defense swap by putting Thybulle in the game but leaves Simmons on the floor.

Hawks consciously don't foul Simmons and play straight up D.

1:13 Harris misses; on stopped ball Thybulle comes back in.  Simmons remains on the floor.

0:52 Gallo hits the fadeaway  107-104 Hawks lead

Philly leaves Simmons on the floor.

Hawks consciously don't foul Simmons and play straight up D.

0:45 Curry misses a 3

0:24 Trae misses a 3

0:21  Philly timeout.  Philly leaves Simmons on the floor.

Hawks consciously don't foul Simmons and play straight up D.

0:10 Gallo fouls Embiid who misses both FT

0:10 Atlanta timeout

0:08 Trae goes to the line to hit 2 109-104 Hawks lead

Only now when shooting a desperation 3 does Philly sub Simmons out.  Korkmaz misses the 3, Curry hits a 2 and game over.

 

So last night was absolutely a case study for whether the Hawks would chose to hack Simmons when the game was close down the stretch and they clearly chose not to do so.  

 

Well i see your point but you also left out that we hacked him several times before the last two minutes which is when you do it anyway.  Hiss two missed free throws with 3.5 left and subsequent Cap dunk swung the game from what could have been a 10 point lead to a 6 point lead.   Other than Embiid folding under the pressure those two misses by Simmons were a huge turning point.   

Not to jump in the middle of your discussion but hack a simmons was definitely a strategy we used and it worked for us last night.