nathan2331 Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 30 minutes ago, sturt said: One would naturally wonder... If we're talking a tripling of the income, why would I sign a 5 year deal if I'm John Collins? Or, a 4 year deal if I'm Trae Young (or Kevin Huerter)? Or, a 3 year deal if I'm Dre or Cam? Or a 2 year deal if I'm Big OO? Won't everyone who is at all bullish on his future want a contract that begins with the first dam-burst year, 2025-26? You could value the trade-off of security far more. This is more money than any of these guys have seen and they're in an industry where you're career can drastically change with a random injury or even change in role. Talk of a new TV deal sounds great, but I'll get my money when my time comes. Until then, if you have a contract at a good valuation, I'd say you take it, and then put yourself in position for more money down the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 Assuming JC gets some ridiculous offer that makes no sense. Promise to match and do a SnT for TPE and a future 1st. Otherwise, keep him if the cost is reasonable. Target P.J. Tucker or if Portland is rebuilding, target Robert Covington for a 1st and OKC 1st. Use TPE money for Marvin Bagley III for free. Bagley is expiring so he's a trial guy to see if we can use him if Gallo leaves in 2022 which is highly likely due to salary cap. Trade Dunn for Jarrett Culver, both are expiring contracts since no one is going to opt into Culver 4th year. The issue is Dunn doesn't fit our offensive style for a PG who has to create everything for others, that's not him nor is he a PDS offensive guard so he doesn't fit. Culver can PD but is a terrible shooter who needs a setup. I always looked at him like a lesser Bazemore with higher BBIQ and better defense. Both are min salary guys for now but we don't have mins at PG likely and we do on the wings due to our injury prone tendencies. Draft BPA Resign Solo Sign one of Mays or Knight to multi year non guaranteed deals. One will have to take a two way deal. A decision to keep or cut Bruno, likely cut or traded and then cut. Sign McConnell to a full MLE deal for three seasons. If not possible to upgrade, resign Lou Will. Trae/McConnell Bogi/Kevin/Mays* Hunter/Reddish/Solo/Culver Covington/Gallo/Bagley III/Knight* Capela/Okongwu 1 - BPA (20th overall) 2 - Two way contracts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted July 25, 2021 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 4:45 PM, JayBirdHawk said: I mentioned the cap increase possibility if revenues are better than expected over the next 2 years due to COVID losses last and this season. I think if the TV deal is negotiated and extended prior, the salary cap prior to the date may increase. No Revenue this year as expected, but lower than expected losses this year is good news all around which may have a greater effect on the 2022-23 projected cap figures. Also mentioned: revenue losses weren't as bad as projected. Teams are willing to spend. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecampster Posted July 30, 2021 Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 (edited) Post Draft Hawks Cap situation Okay, what we have and I included JJ's salary as he will sign to the rookie salary scale at slot 20. Rostered players Danilo Gallinari $20,475,000 Bogdan Bogdanovic $18,000,000 Clint Capela $17,103,448 De'Andre Hunter $7,775,400 Trae Young $8,326,471 Onyeka Okongwu $6,104,280 Kris Dunn $5,005,350 Cam Reddish $4,670,160 Kevin Huerter $4,253,357 Jalen Johnson - Hawks 2021 First Round Pick $2,659,680 Bruno Fernando $1,782,621 $96,155,767 Technically 11 players under contract. Holds Tony Snell $18,267,857 Lou Williams $15,200,000 John Collins $12,411,906 Brandon Goodwin $2,116,290 Solomon Hill $1,669,193 Nathan Knight $1,489,065 Skylar Mays $1,489,065 Total $52,643,376 Exceptions Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception $9,535,000 Bi-Annual Exception $3,303,327 Note: We only qualify for both exceptions once we officially sign someone to go over the cap but not into the LT. Projected Signings: Collins $25,000,000 2021 (I'm just guessing here). Cooper $925k (rookie minimum). Skylar Mays $925k (rookie minimum). Nathan Knight $925k (rookie minimum). (note: 2 of these 3 will be on 2 way contracts). This brings the total under contract to 13 + 2 two ways. There are 2 slots left. This gives the Hawks 1 player to take the NTMLE and 1 to take the BAE. Notes: Collins' cap hold of 12 million and the cap holds of Knight, Mays is a total cap hold of $15.4 million. with Atlanta's current salaries, that's $111.6 million. The projected Cap is $112.4. There is very little incentive (barring a trade) to not resign Knight and Mays and just sign Collins early. As long as those 3 exceptions exist, we are limited to effectively 1 vet level minimum contract before breaking the cap barrier. Waiving both Mays and Knight gives us a little less than $5 million in practical cap space. There are no games to play here without a trade to clear up cap space or Collins signing elsewhere. Edited July 30, 2021 by thecampster 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecampster Posted July 30, 2021 Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 FYI, those Mays and Knight salaries would be a tick higher but I left them be in case we swap out Knight, sign Mays to the roster or replace both. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted July 30, 2021 Author Moderators Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 Many thanks, @thecampster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomFan Posted July 30, 2021 Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, thecampster said: Post Draft Hawks Cap situation Okay, what we have and I included JJ's salary as he will sign to the rookie salary scale at slot 20. Rostered players Danilo Gallinari $20,475,000 Bogdan Bogdanovic $18,000,000 Clint Capela $17,103,448 De'Andre Hunter $7,775,400 Trae Young $8,326,471 Onyeka Okongwu $6,104,280 Kris Dunn $5,005,350 Cam Reddish $4,670,160 Kevin Huerter $4,253,357 Jalen Johnson - Hawks 2021 First Round Pick $2,659,680 Bruno Fernando $1,782,621 $96,155,767 Technically 11 players under contract. Holds Tony Snell $18,267,857 Lou Williams $15,200,000 John Collins $12,411,906 Brandon Goodwin $2,116,290 Solomon Hill $1,669,193 Nathan Knight $1,489,065 Skylar Mays $1,489,065 Total $52,643,376 Exceptions Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception $9,535,000 Bi-Annual Exception $3,303,327 Note: We only qualify for both exceptions once we officially sign someone to go over the cap but not into the LT. Projected Signings: Collins $25,000,000 2021 (I'm just guessing here). Cooper $925k (rookie minimum). Skylar Mays $925k (rookie minimum). Nathan Knight $925k (rookie minimum). (note: 2 of these 3 will be on 2 way contracts). This brings the total under contract to 13 + 2 two ways. There are 2 slots left. This gives the Hawks 1 player to take the NTMLE and 1 to take the BAE. Notes: Collins' cap hold of 12 million and the cap holds of Knight, Mays is a total cap hold of $15.4 million. with Atlanta's current salaries, that's $111.6 million. The projected Cap is $112.4. There is very little incentive (barring a trade) to not resign Knight and Mays and just sign Collins early. As long as those 3 exceptions exist, we are limited to effectively 1 vet level minimum contract before breaking the cap barrier. Waiving both Mays and Knight gives us a little less than $5 million in practical cap space. There are no games to play here without a trade to clear up cap space or Collins signing elsewhere. To clarify, trading away Dunn and Bruno without taking a contract back would open up just under $7M more in cap space, correct? But then you have to add back 1 minimum cap charge as a place holder on the cap. So we could technically free up a little over $6M in cap space to sign someone before going over the cap I think? Edited July 30, 2021 by RandomFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecampster Posted July 30, 2021 Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 8 minutes ago, RandomFan said: To clarify, trading away Dunn and Bruno without taking a contract back would open up just under $7M more in cap space, correct? But then you have to add back 1 minimum cap charge as a place holder on the cap. So we could technically free up a little over $6M in cap space to sign someone before going over the cap I think? as long as you have Knight and Mays as holds, they are those min cap holds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecampster Posted July 30, 2021 Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 to be clear, technically trading away Bruno offers little in salary relief except a free slot. You'd get more trading them for other players because you can take back 125%. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member sturt Posted July 30, 2021 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 1 hour ago, thecampster said: Waiving both Mays and Knight gives us a little less than $5 million in practical cap space. This is consistent with the $4.5m indicated in an earlier post. If we like someone that we can get with that amount, it's important to note that there's nothing to keep us from re-signing one or both to either a two-way or a standard contract. Remember, even if we signed both to standard contracts, b/c they are minimum contracts, we can do that w/o any problem with our payroll. Annnnnnnnnnd what do I know, right?.... but I think it's plausible you can get your 1/2 season CC backup with that $4.5m. That said... optimal will probably be to send out Dunn and Bruno (~7m) and take back a contract that's in the $11.5 range ($4.5m + $7m). Suspicious that that was the premise of the Utah deal that Supes believed was being contemplated... and we'd just take back Favors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecampster Posted July 30, 2021 Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 12 minutes ago, sturt said: This is consistent with the $4.5m indicated in an earlier post. If we like someone that we can get with that amount, it's important to note that there's nothing to keep us from re-signing one or both to either a two-way or a standard contract. Remember, even if we signed both to standard contracts, b/c they are minimum contracts, we can do that w/o any problem with our payroll. Annnnnnnnnnd what do I know, right?.... but I think it's plausible you can get your 1/2 season CC backup with that $4.5m. That said... optimal will probably be to send out Dunn and Bruno (~7m) and take back a contract that's in the $11.5 range ($4.5m + $7m). Suspicious that that was the premise of the Utah deal that Supes believed was being contemplated... and we'd just take back Favors. Or you sign into space first a 4.5 million player, which takes you over the cap, then trade the 2 salaries worth 7 million for 8.75 million in salary, then use the 9 million NT-MLE on that center/extra player. Just now, thecampster said: Or you sign into space first a 4.5 million player, which takes you over the cap, then trade the 2 salaries worth 7 million for 8.75 million in salary, then use the 9 million NT-MLE on that center/extra player. Then you sign JC to his deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomFan Posted July 30, 2021 Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 So yeah @thecampster we know you just spent a lot of time writing this up, but the Hawks didn't like it so time to redo it sir 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecampster Posted July 30, 2021 Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 I'm on Strike! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted July 30, 2021 Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 Trae/Lou Will/Coop Bogi/Kevin/Mays Hunter/Reddish/Solo JC/Gallo/JJ/Knight* Capela/Okongwu/Tristian Knight will likely be on another two way contract. Mays will likely be converted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecampster Posted July 30, 2021 Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 The biggest benefit to this deal is acquiring a need player without using either exception. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLHawks3 Posted July 30, 2021 Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, NBASupes said: Trae/Lou Will/Coop Bogi/Kevin/Mays Hunter/Reddish/Solo JC/Gallo/JJ/Knight* Capela/Okongwu/Tristian Knight will likely be on another two way contract. Mays will likely be converted. In looking at this roster, I'd want us to pick up an extra wing shooter in free agency and let Solo walk. Or make Mays another 2-way., get another shooter, and resign Solo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted July 30, 2021 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, thecampster said: The biggest benefit to this deal is acquiring a need player without using either exception. ...and we can turn around and trade Thompson for a player with a higher salary $11.6 mil if my math is correct. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted July 30, 2021 Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, NBASupes said: Lou Will I think we get TJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecampster Posted July 30, 2021 Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 Hold 1, it's a 3 way deal with Sacramento. Sac getting Thompson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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