My guy has talked around NBA circles of late

[REHawksFan]

18 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

At this point does it really make a difference if he formally asks outs vs sandbagging it on the court as a way out  

 

 

Hasn't Woj switched his position on this multiple times?  Yesterday there was a video saying Philly and BKN were absolutely in negotiations despite some people publicly denying it.  Now he's saying they have yet to be engaged in serious dialogue but hope to start today??  Is he just being played for a fool here? 

[thecampster]

Just now, sturt said:

I just don't like that illegitimate people essentially game the system and make money from doing essentially nothing that anyone should care about.

 

Do not talk to my boss about me....please!!!

1 minute ago, REHawksFan said:

Hasn't Woj switched his position on this multiple times?  Yesterday there was a video saying Philly and BKN were absolutely in negotiations despite some people publicly denying it.  Now he's saying they have yet to be engaged in serious dialogue but hope to start today??  Is he just being played for a fool here? 

Woj has been the only claiming this is a nothing burger.  IMHO, he's providing cover for the league.

[bleachkit]

5 minutes ago, marco102 said:

Why would Brooklyn do that deal? Also can Brooklyn take on that many contracts?

To replace shooting lost with Harris and Harden. But mostly to get a couple young studs like OO and Thybulle for a Harden that's about to walk. At some point you have to go younger and lay a pathway for a post KD era, they have no draft picks. 

[JayBirdHawk]

5 minutes ago, REHawksFan said:

Hasn't Woj switched his position on this multiple times?  Yesterday there was a video saying Philly and BKN were absolutely in negotiations despite some people publicly denying it.  Now he's saying they have yet to be engaged in serious dialogue but hope to start today??  Is he just being played for a fool here? 

Woj knows exactly what he is doing

[REHawksFan]

1 minute ago, bleachkit said:

To replace shooting lost with Harris and Harden. But mostly to get a couple young studs like OO and Thybulle for a Harden that's about to walk. At some point you have to go younger and lay a pathway for a post KD era, they have no draft picks. 

I think it makes more sense to do this:

Hawks get:  Simmons and Danny Green

Nets get:  Gallo, Wright, Curry, OO

Philly gets: Harden

That works money wise and replaces shooting with Gallo and Curry.  Also gives them a young asset in OO who, reportedly, they value very highly. 

[bleachkit]

3 minutes ago, REHawksFan said:

I think it makes more sense to do this:

Hawks get:  Simmons and Danny Green

Nets get:  Gallo, Wright, Curry, OO

Philly gets: Harden

That works money wise and replaces shooting with Gallo and Curry.  Also gives them a young asset in OO who, reportedly, they value very highly. 

Nets would have to get draft picks in this deal. Make one from us and one from Philly. 

[Diesel]

I doubt that there is anything that would make Schlenk move OO.   Not Simmons, Not Ayton.

However, here's my question.

Do you think giving a Stretch 5 that OO could play PF. 

For instance (and this is all fiction), if we did get KAT...  DO you think we could be successful with OO as the starting 4 and KAT as the 5?

 

[marco102]

2 minutes ago, Diesel said:

I doubt that there is anything that would make Schlenk move OO.   Not Simmons, Not Ayton.

However, here's my question.

Do you think giving a Stretch 5 that OO could play PF. 

For instance (and this is all fiction), if we did get KAT...  DO you think we could be successful with OO as the starting 4 and KAT as the 5?

 

Yes, because KAT can play on the perimeter on offense and Oo should be able to guard 4s on defense.

[Spud2nique]

1 hour ago, kg01 said:

I'm sure spud doesn't look to loud-a** to shape his opinions.

[kg01]

13 minutes ago, sturt said:

Hadn't even thought of that aspect, but I'd be inclined to agree... me being one who prefers to give the benefit of a doubt on things I can't actually know.

My premise is that I just don't like that illegitimate people essentially game the system and make money from doing essentially nothing that anyone should care about.

It's a philosophical thing. Society is generally better off without illegitimate loudmouths getting spotlights. So I subscribe to the idea to never help support that.

Maybe so. Then again, maybe people feel more latitude to just be themselves among people who otherwise have no effect on their lives anyhow.

I'm sure it's a mix.

Let's be clear. I hate loudmouths with opinions... with a bigger stage than mine and thus making big money that I don't just because... just because...  someone help me here... I can't even offer a rational explanation for how people like SAS got where they are.

I will say this w.r.t. SAS, Frank Isola apparently has known him since he was a legitimate reporter.  It sounds like Smith is indeed a guy who was an actual journalist who worked at the grass roots level and built relationships for years with the people who are now his 'sources'.

Long story long, there is some actual basis to his rep and he's not "just" a fan.  From what I understand, the same is true of Skip Bayless.  He was apparently an actual journalist at some point.  The problem with both is that "actual" journalism doesn't get the clix so they went to the darkside of loudmouth island.

[thecampster]

Just now, Spud2nique said:

LOL Owls are so cool!

[Diesel]

Just now, marco102 said:

Yes, because KAT can play on the perimeter on offense and Oo should be able to guard 4s on defense.

Yeah, my question mainly circulates around defense.   I do have doubts about OO being an efficient inside player.  I don't think he's there yet.  But Trae can make him better.  However, defensively, I was just thinking if OO could stay out of foul trouble. 

[Spud2nique]

1 hour ago, sturt said:

Who?

Time out.

I mean, you people really have to stop watching loudmouths who get paid merely for being loud and having an opinion. Really. Please.

Loudmouth opinions are only that, whether they're on ESPN or pick your cable news network. It's a form of soft porn, and it doesn't benefit adult dialogue in any way. People who weren't coaches or scouts or GMs or players... whose only legitimacy is that they watch sports... like the rest of us... aren't. (Legitimate.)

I tuned in for entertaining not information.

[marco102]

1 minute ago, Diesel said:

Yeah, my question mainly circulates around defense.   I do have doubts about OO being an efficient inside player.  I don't think he's there yet.  But Trae can make him better.  However, defensively, I was just thinking if OO could stay out of foul trouble. 

Isn't he shooting like 70% from the field without much off season work.

[bleachkit]

3 minutes ago, Diesel said:

I doubt that there is anything that would make Schlenk move OO.   Not Simmons, Not Ayton.

However, here's my question.

Do you think giving a Stretch 5 that OO could play PF. 

For instance (and this is all fiction), if we did get KAT...  DO you think we could be successful with OO as the starting 4 and KAT as the 5?

 

To able to get Simmons with out giving up JC, You make that deal all day every day. We always do this thing where we overrate our young players. Like the "you dont trade Cam for anything less than a superstar" crap people here were always saying. Get real, stop overrating your young guys. We always do that. OO is an excellent young defender. But to get Ben Simmons? bye bye.

[Spud2nique]

6 minutes ago, thecampster said:

LOL Owls are so cool!

I’ll play along..

WHO? 

[Diesel]

1 minute ago, kg01 said:

I will say this w.r.t. SAS, Frank Isola apparently has known him since he was a legitimate reporter.  It sounds like Smith is indeed a guy who was an actual journalist who worked at the grass roots level and built relationships for years with the people who are now his 'sources'.

Long story long, there is some actual basis to his rep and he's not "just" a fan.  From what I understand, the same is true of Skip Bayless.  He was apparently an actual journalist at some point.  The problem with both is that "actual" journalism doesn't get the clix so they went to the darkside of loudmouth island.

I think really you have to uncover the truth in basketball media.  Clutch Sports has some of these media folks on their payroll.   I believe the Redskins owner Daniel Snyder was the first that I have heard who tried to do this... he wanted to control the media around Washington so that he could control the narrative about the Redskins.   In today's NBA, I believe that ClutchSports has done something similar in media.  Here's the litmus:

Regardless of what season we're in or what's going on,  you will always here about:  Cowboys, Lebron, and now Simmons.  Whatever is said about Lebron is messaged so that it makes him look good.  You would never know that Lebron is a bad free throw shooter who avoids taking the inside shot at the end of games.   That shows you that they are doing their job at Clutch.  I think SAS is on that gravy train. 

[Spud2nique]

I’ll be back..

[kg01]

13 minutes ago, Diesel said:

I think really you have to uncover the truth in basketball media.  Clutch Sports has some of these media folks on their payroll.   I believe the Redskins owner Daniel Snyder was the first that I have heard who tried to do this... he wanted to control the media around Washington so that he could control the narrative about the Redskins.   In today's NBA, I believe that ClutchSports has done something similar in media.  Here's the litmus:

Regardless of what season we're in or what's going on,  you will always here about:  Cowboys, Lebron, and now Simmons.  Whatever is said about Lebron is messaged so that it makes him look good.  You would never know that Lebron is a bad free throw shooter who avoids taking the inside shot at the end of games.   That shows you that they are doing their job at Clutch.  I think SAS is on that gravy train. 

Grains of truth here.  Isola is a recent Klutch signee.  Jokes about it at times but you know these guys are human.  Even if they don't actively push the company agenda, they have no choice but to be muted in their criticism.

[sturt]

30 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

I tuned in for entertaining not information.

I'd guess that's 99% of the audience's motive, though.

So, that's not really the point. Merely by tuning in a person participates in building the soapbox for these people, and giving them a salary that is insane given that your opinion is at least as good as SAS's.