My guy has talked around NBA circles of late

[Diesel]

1 minute ago, marco102 said:

He might have the yips.  May explain his hesitancy to shoot threes and the decline in free throw shooting.  You'll need a sports psychologist for that. 

I can believe it.  His mechanics have never seemed bad.  It's one thing I would prescribe if we did get him. 

[kg01]

10 minutes ago, marco102 said:

He might have the yips.  May explain his hesitancy to shoot threes and the decline in free throw shooting.  You'll need a sports psychologist for that. 

It's a real detriment to the value they can realize for him.  The arrogant way they seem to be handling the process isn't helping them.

They're mindset seems to be, "He's a primo asset so I want a primo asset in return."

Well, no, he isn't.  And, even if he was, what trade of a high-level player has ever netted equal value back?

9 minutes ago, REHawksFan said:

I really appreciate the insight.  I don't see anything compelling Philly to do a deal sooner rather than later. They are solidly in the playoffs and playing fairly well at the moment so it's not like they are looking for help.  And Simmons is no longer a huge distraction to them or hurting them in any way.  Why trade him to another team early and potentially give him an opportunity to make said team better prior to the playoffs?  

If I knew the Hawks had the ability to continue to play the way they have the last 3 games I'd say just walk away and try again over the summer if he's still available.  Although that may not be an option if Trae is telling Travis what to do.  

A pretty strong argument can be made that his value will only fall from here.

[JayBirdHawk]

14 minutes ago, marco102 said:

He might have the yips.  May explain his hesitancy to shoot threes and the decline in free throw shooting.  You'll need a sports psychologist for that. 

Might have something to do with this little snippet I saw awhile ago

In 2016, Simmons told Kevin Armstrong of the New York Daily News that he grew up using his right hand, but that his father was insistent on him developing a left-handed shot and handle on the court. “I think I was supposed to be right-handed,” he said. “It’s all natural now.”

Even Simmons’ former teammates agree he’s a better shooter with his right hand. JJ Redick, who played on the Sixers with Simmons for two seasons, recently said on his The Old Man and the Three podcast that he’s approached both Simmons and DeAndre Jordan about switching to righty.

“I’ve seen them shoot right-handed. It’s better form right-handed,” Redick said. “They do everything else right-handed, I don’t understand why you’re shooting a basketball left-handed.”

[JayBirdHawk]

Jerami Grant:

 Sources say Detroit is now asking for two first-round picks or one first-round pick plus a high-upside young player. That's a similar valuation Aaron Gordon garnered last season. Like Gordon at the time of his deal to Denver, Grant still has one year remaining on his contract following this season. Sources say Grant expects to sign a lucrative extension in the ballpark of four years, $112 million this offseason.

* For any team to sign off on a trade for Grant, they'll need assurances of his plans to re-sign this offseason, just like Gordon did in Denver. Grant also has little interest in joining a new situation where he doesn't feature as a primary offensive option, sources said.

 

[marco102]

13 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Jerami Grant:

 Sources say Detroit is now asking for two first-round picks or one first-round pick plus a high-upside young player. That's a similar valuation Aaron Gordon garnered last season. Like Gordon at the time of his deal to Denver, Grant still has one year remaining on his contract following this season. Sources say Grant expects to sign a lucrative extension in the ballpark of four years, $112 million this offseason.

* For any team to sign off on a trade for Grant, they'll need assurances of his plans to re-sign this offseason, just like Gordon did in Denver. Grant also has little interest in joining a new situation where he doesn't feature as a primary offensive option, sources said.

 

[bleachkit]

2 minutes ago, marco102 said:

Every guy wants to be the primary option, because every guy wants a big contact. I wouldn't worry about those remarks. What team would he be the primary option for?

[kg01]

20 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Grant also has little interest in joining a new situation where he doesn't feature as a primary offensive option, sources said.

What the?

Gotdang scrubs gettin' to big for their britches these days.

6 minutes ago, marco102 said:

Post of the day.

Just now, bleachkit said:

Every guy wants to be the primary option, because every guy wants a big contact. I wouldn't worry about those remarks. What team would he be the primary option for?

No they don't because that's not the only path to a big contract.

Those remarks are problematic for multiple reasons:

a. His game doesn't support that desired role.

b. He left a winning opportunity (DEN) to pursue that role so it's not just 'talk' for him.

c. That role's not available for him here.

d. It's also an indication of how he expects to be paid which, again, isn't likely available here.

To answer your question, he could be the primary option on a tanking team.

[marco102]

5 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Every guy wants to be the primary option, because every guy wants a big contact. I wouldn't worry about those remarks. What team would he be the primary option for?

The type of team he currently is own, a lottery bound team.

[kelston827]

I check in and out on this board every so often, and I have to say, it’s so comforting to see how committed this group is to the whole “my sources tell me” BS.

Supes had most of you going for awhile before folks figured out he was full of it, but now to see copycat “insiders” just warms my heart. LOL

 

[marco102]

Just now, kelston827 said:

I check in and out on this board every so often, and I have to say, it’s so comforting to see how committed this group is to the whole “my sources tell me” BS.

Supes had most of you going for awhile before folks figured out he was full of it, but now to see copycat “insiders” just warms my heart. LOL

 

Realgmer, is that you? 

[JayBirdHawk]

13 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

What team would he be the primary option for?

The one he is on...at least last year he was on their tanking team.

[aali34]

10 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Every guy wants to be the primary option, because every guy wants a big contact. I wouldn't worry about those remarks. What team would he be the primary option for?

JC just demonstrated how you can get a fat contract while decreasing his role in the process.

These dudes don't want to win, they want to chuck shots up while getting paid winner money. 

There's gotta be a limit to a players earning potential if they aint winning games. 

[kg01]

1 minute ago, aali34 said:

JC just demonstrated how you can get a fat contract while decreasing his role in the process.

These dudes don't want to win, they want to chuck shots up while getting paid winner money. 

There's gotta be a limit to a players earning potential if they aint winning games. 

I wish there was, but it's hard to juggle that.  To win, you gotta have/keep guys.  To keep guys, you gotta pay.  Oftentimes, before they actually win.  Hard process.

I do agree with your first 2 statements though.  There's a lot of guys that just happen to be good at basketball.  For them, winning either happens or it doesn't.  They just go home.

Great ones care ... and are also good at it.

It's the same in all walks of life, really.  jmho

[kg01]

14 minutes ago, marco102 said:

Realgmer, is that you? 

Can you imagine how much rent supes would owe them dudes if they'd just charge him to be in their heads?

#RentFreeB*tches

[Sothron]

Grant should have stayed in Denver. I hope we don't trade for him. He has no fit on our team.

[kg01]

Per Shams aka 'my sources', Turner (IND) has a stress reaction in his foot.  To be re-evaluated in 2 weeks.

Pacers asking price about to nosedive.

Just now, Sothron said:

Grant should have stayed in Denver. I hope we don't trade for him. He has no fit on our team.

He fits.  Just not in the role he wants.  He's best basically the same role he had for DEN.

[JayBirdHawk]

1 minute ago, kg01 said:

Per Shams aka 'my sources', Turner (IND) has a stress reaction in his foot.  To be re-evaluated in 2 weeks.

Pacers asking price about to nosedive.

He fits.  Just not in the role he wants.  He's best basically the same role he had for DEN.

Woj 'Sources' saying he may be out beyond the trade deadline.

[Sothron]

1 minute ago, kg01 said:

Per Shams aka 'my sources', Turner (IND) has a stress reaction in his foot.  To be re-evaluated in 2 weeks.

Pacers asking price about to nosedive.

He fits.  Just not in the role he wants.  He's best basically the same role he had for DEN.

He doesn't want to be an energy sixth man off the bench. I agree with him that he's better than that role but as a third option as a starter. Nowhere near the primary option on offense. If he had stayed in Denver and Porter was healthy boy Denver would be scary. As it is Gordon has played much better than I thought for Denver.

[mrhonline]

2 minutes ago, kg01 said:

He fits.  Just not in the role he wants.  He's best basically the same role he had for DEN.

I'd say he's best in between the DEN and DET roles. He's more than capable as a 3rd option but not a 1st option. The question is if he can be a reliable 2nd option. I honestly don't know.

Either way, I was certain that would be the asking price. The bigger problem for a team like the Hawks is the extension. You'd basically be choosing him over JC and that's a fairly lateral move to me.

[Gray Mule]

Mental health is a real worry.  Example:  #1 wide receiver for the Falcons went out of the rotation and didn't play any after game 3 of the season.  

If his team tells us (The Hawks) that he has a mental problem, believe them.  Quietly withdraw whatever offer you had on the table and move on.  Too much is at stake to blow a lot of assets on a questionable player.

Nothing against the man.  I wish him well and hope he gets over whatever is bothering him.

My biggest want right now is a rugged giant, third string center who can hold his own in a fight around the basket.  Maybe we trade for one or maybe in the upcoming draft.  Everyone knows I want that guard from the Kings to go with Trae.