CAM REDDISH TO NY FOR KEVIN KNOX AND FIRST!?!

[NBASupes]

16 minutes ago, IheartVolt said:

I think things would have worked better for the guy if he was O.J. Miracle Whip personally. The guy never had a chance since so many hate mayo

So much went wrong for Mayo and Memphis in general. They took the best player in Mayo but he didn't fit. Wasn't a PG or SG. Needed possessions. Not a shooter but a scorer. Could defend PG but couldn't run an offense. Was a #1 option at that time talent wise but with those weaknesses, what can you do on average. His off the court life was wild too. He did a lot of damage to his career. 

I still say Mayo at PG while Joe ran the offense gave us the best chance to win at that time but as it turns out. Jeff was developing and he eventually worked even if Joe was long gone by that point. 

Edited July 19, 2019 by NBASupes

[gurpilo]

I value a lot the work NBAsupes has posted, posts like this are delicous to read.

I also think Reddish is going to play better with us due to some issues

1) We are weak at defense and he is a good defender, defense will earn him minutes on the court.

2) He is a good shooter and that fits well with our system.

3) We have Trae, that means he will get good shots on offense, as he is a good shooter that will improve his efficiency.

4) He is a good ballhandler and we need a 2nd ballhandler to help Trae, that will earn him minutes too which ia good for his confidence, he couldn't do that at Duke with Zion and RJ.

5) He will have more space on offense which us good for his efficiency.

All these issues play in favor of placing him as SG and I think his minutes might come at the expense of Huerter's minutes. 96 minutes available at SG and SF, there are 25 minutes at least for the 3 young wings.

Things that I think will cap his upside:

1) Lack of intensity, phisicality, no alphadog... Call the way you want, seems that he could try harder, that bodes well with him been a role player rather than a star

2) Turnovers as ball handler, he had some ugly ones, if he starts doing those on NBA, confidence and time as ballhandler will be impacted

3) TO when going to the rim, some soft ballhandling, getting blocked, not going hard to the rim, his efficiency at the rim is worrying.

4) Low percentages related to different reasons, I think his efficiency as a scorer and decission making needs to improve.

5) Even if he improves his efficiency he could still be below average, starting point is really low, can he even become a ,45 FG%?

Overall I like the player and the prospect, fits so well that I understand the excitement, however his performance last year leaves a lot of questionmarks that even if solved in some way you may still have a low efficient wing on offense. Getting open shots, playing on a ball movement system and on a team needing a player like him will do wonders for him, really excited to see Cam playing for us.

Edited July 19, 2019 by gurpilo

[sturt]

13 hours ago, kg01 said:

Aye @Spud2nique, you know @sturt was like this when he saw how long that OP was ...

The man has a fetish for words.  The OP just made his day(s).

Yeah I got nothin' to add to this thread but, if you ask most o' y'all, that's pretty much par for the kg course.

Carry on ...

Just an observation... how many pages now of vigorous discussion has taken place?

And, do I understand correctly that this is a discussion board?

All is well with the world.

Thanks, Supes, for your work to promote deeper conversation with an attempt at well-supported assertions... as well as you others who have engaged, and written several paragraphs in response.

Sound bites and tweets have their place. Even here.

But so do essays.

[NBASupes]

9 minutes ago, gurpilo said:

I value a lot the work NBAsupes has posted, posts like this are delicous to read.

I also think Reddish is going to play better with us due to some issues

1) We are weak at defense and he is a good defender, defense will earn him minutes on the court.

2) He is a good shooter and that fits well with our system.

3) We have Trae, that means he will get good shots on offense, as he is a good shooter that will improve his efficiency.

4) He is a good ballhandler and we need a 2nd ballhandler to help Trae, that will earn him minutes too which ia good for his confidence, he couldn't do that at Duke with Zion and RJ.

5) He will have more space on offense which us good for his efficiency.

All these issues play in favor of placing him as SG and I think his minutes might come at the expense of Huerter's minutes. 96 minutes available at SG and SF, there are 25 minutes at least for the 3 young wings.

Things that I think will cap his upside:

1) Lack of intensity, phisicality, no alphadog... Call the way you want, seems that he could try harder, that bodes well with him been a role player rather than a star

2) Turnovers as ball handler, he had some ugly ones, if he starts doing those on NBA, confidence and time as ballhandler will be impacted

3) TO when going to the rim, some soft ballhandling, getting blocked, not going hard to the rim, his efficiency at the rim is worrying.

4) Low percentages related to different reasons, I think his efficiency as a scorer and decission making needs to improve.

5) Even if he improves his efficiency he could still be below average, starting point is really low, can he even become a ,45 FG%?

Overall I like the player and the prospect, fits so well that I understand the excitement, however his performance last year leaves a lot of questionmarks that even if solved in some way you may still have a low efficient wing on offense. Getting open shots, playing on a ball movement system and on a team needing a player like him will do wonders for him, really excited to see Cam playing for us.

Great all around post. 100% 

His style of play is considered statistically efficient for the NBA. It's not for college. 

 

For example:

"The most encouraging part of his performance is his outside shooting. He’s probably a better 3-point shooter than his average percentage (35.6) indicates.

Few players at the next level, regardless of experience, possess his two-way potential. There are only four players 6-foot-8 or taller this season shooting at least 35 percent from 3 on more than five attempts per game with a steal rate higher than 2 percent: Paul George, Joe Ingles, Trevor Ariza, and Robert Covington. Reddish fits the profile of the type of player who could be better in the NBA than he was in college.

Players with his skill set will only become more valuable. The number of 3s that NBA teams take per game has skyrocketed, and it doesn’t show any signs of slowing down. Your best scorers need to be volume 3-point shooters for that to work. Reddish could be the rare volume 3-point shooter who doubles as an elite defender, and there is only a handful of those players in the world. It’s hard to pass up on them in the draft, no matter how much they struggle in college." - The Ringer

Edited July 19, 2019 by NBASupes

[kg01]

10 minutes ago, sturt said:

Just an observation... how many pages now of vigorous discussion has taken place?

I dunno, bro.  I tapped out on page 1.

And don't be tryna use me as your soapbox.

[Spud2nique]

6 minutes ago, kg01 said:

I dunno, bro.  I tapped out on page 1.

And don't be tryna use me as your soapbox.

A kg that gets 6.5 hours of sleep clearly isn’t the kg that gets the full 8 inches ..HOURS! Hours of sleep 🛏... yes.

[NBASupes]

8 minutes ago, kg01 said:

I dunno, bro.  I tapped out on page 1.

And don't be tryna use me as your soapbox.

Honestly, just the first page and maybe the last one. NC and I are in the process of it. 

[sturt]

1 hour ago, kg01 said:

And don't be tryna use me as your soapbox.

 

 

But yet you seem to volunteer...

And so often...

And over and over again...

 

 

[kg01]

35 minutes ago, sturt said:

But yet you seem to volunteer...

And so often...

And over and over again...

smh

You take the soul out of gif'n.  Do you know that?

Leave it to the eggsperts, mmkay?

[Buzzard]

2 hours ago, NBASupes said:

Great all around post. 100% 

His style of play is considered statistically efficient for the NBA. It's not for college. 

 

For example:

"The most encouraging part of his performance is his outside shooting. He’s probably a better 3-point shooter than his average percentage (35.6) indicates.

Few players at the next level, regardless of experience, possess his two-way potential. There are only four players 6-foot-8 or taller this season shooting at least 35 percent from 3 on more than five attempts per game with a steal rate higher than 2 percent: Paul George, Joe Ingles, Trevor Ariza, and Robert Covington. Reddish fits the profile of the type of player who could be better in the NBA than he was in college.

Players with his skill set will only become more valuable. The number of 3s that NBA teams take per game has skyrocketed, and it doesn’t show any signs of slowing down. Your best scorers need to be volume 3-point shooters for that to work. Reddish could be the rare volume 3-point shooter who doubles as an elite defender, and there is only a handful of those players in the world. It’s hard to pass up on them in the draft, no matter how much they struggle in college." - The Ringer

I don't know where they are getting their three point stats from. What I see is he shot .333 from college three last season.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/cam-reddish-1.html

He did show great potential in November shooting .431 from three in five games but his 2PT% was still awful at .367.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/cam-reddish-1/splits/2019

[Spud2nique]

1 hour ago, kg01 said:

smh

You take the soul out of gif'n.  Do you know that?

Leave it to the eggsperts, mmkay?

I actually slightly worried about where this thread is headed. I see Cam’s mom and Or gf putting a restraining order on Supes....the basis of the restraint...

Too much man love. No jury is gonna buy that Supes didn’t have underground basement activities lined up for Cam..

[hazer]

29 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

I actually slightly worried about where this thread is headed. I see Cam’s mom and Or gf putting a restraining order on Supes....the basis of the restraint...

Too much man love. No jury is gonna buy that Supes didn’t have underground basement activities lined up for Cam..

Him has the lotion (and a basket) all ready to go? 

[Spud2nique]

9 hours ago, hazer said:

Him has the lotion (and a basket) all ready to go? 

Having said that I pre ordered by Reddish jersey a month ago. Should be arriving anytime now!

[hazer]

3 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Having said that I pre ordered by Reddish jersey a month ago. Should be arriving anytime now!

It puts the jersey on its skin?

[Spud2nique]

35 minutes ago, hazer said:

It puts the jersey on its skin?

If Cam’s the pretty girl at Ridgemont high then...

Well he already woo’d the crap outta her.him.  

[bleachkit]

14 hours ago, NBASupes said:

Great all around post. 100% 

His style of play is considered statistically efficient for the NBA. It's not for college. 

 

For example:

"The most encouraging part of his performance is his outside shooting. He’s probably a better 3-point shooter than his average percentage (35.6) indicates.

Few players at the next level, regardless of experience, possess his two-way potential. There are only four players 6-foot-8 or taller this season shooting at least 35 percent from 3 on more than five attempts per game with a steal rate higher than 2 percent: Paul George, Joe Ingles, Trevor Ariza, and Robert Covington. Reddish fits the profile of the type of player who could be better in the NBA than he was in college.

Players with his skill set will only become more valuable. The number of 3s that NBA teams take per game has skyrocketed, and it doesn’t show any signs of slowing down. Your best scorers need to be volume 3-point shooters for that to work. Reddish could be the rare volume 3-point shooter who doubles as an elite defender, and there is only a handful of those players in the world. It’s hard to pass up on them in the draft, no matter how much they struggle in college." - The Ringer

Not to nit pick. But the actual heights for those players is as follows Cam Reddish 6' 6.5" , Paul George 6' 7.75", Joe Ingles 6' 7.75", Trevor Ariza 6' 7", Robert Covington 6' 6.25". Klay Thompson is also close at 6' 5.75". 

[benhillboy]

  We Yo Supes weren’t you very high on McLemore? (another player who looks eerily like Cam Reddish and the rapper Cam’Ron, go figure). I’m just guessing but didn’t they have a similar profile coming out?  I know fit and current NBA trends is why you champion Cam but why did McLemore have only one good season?

And I can’t understand the volume three point attempt advantage just for the sake of getting them up.  Doesn’t shot quality factor in?  You getting up a lot of uncontested, rhythm, and corner threes I’m with it.  But walk ups, step backs, unnecessary distnance behind the line, contested, ample time left on the clock, favorable matchups elsewhere, how can those be considered a plus for your team?  What happens after a particular player misses a three should be analyzed way before I can start praising them for just getting them up.  We need brick rates, offensive rebound rates, airball rates, transition defense ratings, soft shot ratings, foul ratings, al types of sh@t.

Edited July 21, 2019 by benhillboy

[NBASupes]

27 minutes ago, benhillboy said:

  We Yo Supes weren’t you very high on McLemore? (another player who looks eerily like Cam Reddish and the rapper Cam’Ron, go figure). I’m just guessing but didn’t they have a similar profile coming out?  I know fit and current NBA trends is why you champion Cam but why did McLemore have only one good season?

And I can’t understand the volume three point attempt advantage just for the sake of getting them up.  Doesn’t shot quality factor in?  You getting up a lot of uncontested, rhythm, and corner threes I’m with it.  But walk ups, step backs, unnecessary distnance behind the line, contested, ample time left on the clock, favorable matchups elsewhere, how can those be considered a plus for your team?  What happens after a particular player misses a three should be analyzed way before I can start praising them for just getting them up.  We need brick rates, offensive rebound rates, airball rates, transition defense ratings, soft shot ratings, foul ratings, al types of sh@t.

That's disrespectful. When was I ever high like that on Ben. I wanted Ben like a reclamation project the same way Toronto did Stanley Johnson. Like a cheap let's see if he got something if in a better situation. Shit, both him and Nick Stauskas. 

This was a shit post benhill and you are someone with not many if any at all till this point. I was high like this on Giannis Antetokounmpo. 

[thecampster]

Supes.....I just figured out this thread....I think you're confused...the player you're describing is mentioned here:  https://hoopshype.com/rumor/1273732/

Yes,  I would take the risk and trade assets for him.

[Spud2nique]

Oh boy...

Just now, thecampster said:

Supes.....I just figured out this thread....I think you're confused...the player you're describing is mentioned here:  https://hoopshype.com/rumor/1273732/

Yes,  I would take the risk and trade assets for him.

For Lamelo???? Hellllll no! No way. Never.