CAM REDDISH TO NY FOR KEVIN KNOX AND FIRST!?!

[JeffS17]

I'm willing to experiment with Simmons to see if he can fit here because he has unreal talent and I think championship teams have lots of people who are very good at specific things.

As soon as anyone includes Tobi to Atlanta in the deal, my ears physically shut 

[JTB]

1 hour ago, JeffS17 said:

I'm willing to experiment with Simmons to see if he can fit here because he has unreal talent and I think championship teams have lots of people who are very good at specific things.

As soon as anyone includes Tobi to Atlanta in the deal, my ears physically shut 

Exactly if you can’t get Simmons here with Trae AND collins then it’s just not worth it unfortunately….I don’t like Simmons fit here without collins at all. Then we’d really be looking for scoring help. 
But get Simmons here and by all means keep Trae and collins and the experiment is well worth it. 

[Spud2nique]

5 minutes ago, JTB said:

But get Simmons here and by all means keep Trae and collins and the experiment is well worth it. 

This one is growing on me also, but that means Cam or Hunter and Gallo go.

[NBASupes]

 

 

Lakers made this deal thinking it will get them over because Kuz doesn't fit Bron ball and now look at their asses. Bron is at the 5 and Russ is stinking it up viciously. Kuz showing all star production of late. 

Edited January 13, 2022 by NBASupes

[NBASupes]

It's the same as Bron/Luka/Trae is all just an high end variance of the same bullshit. The wings stand a lot. Only wings and guards that get better from this shit are guys Korver, Klay, J.R. Smith, Snell. Guys who are either movement specialist who run around to get open and they are sharps, spot up specialists like J.R. Smith, and guards who are just scoring based with some movement who really don't need touches like that, like Mo Williams. 

Anyone who needs touches? Nope.

Look at this shit: 

 

Kyle left Bron ball and instantly started playing well. Part of the reason Utah got Clarkson for so cheap was he sucked in Bron Ball. Bron/Luka/Trae ball is trash. I love all three of these generational rare talents but their style of heliocentric offense is ASS! And I am someone who think's Bron is GOAT. But this offense is so limiting. Almost everyone around them has to be very good shooters or better. What makes matters worse, Trae defense is WOAT so you almost got to get him around stacked defensive players. But he's so small, you need some extra ball handlers but how many 3&D guys got handles, NONE! It's like trying to build a team in a small cage. It's limiting. Idk. This shit is hard. 

All of them get more out of bigs than anything, especially Trae. All of them need shooters around for spacing. Man, I am not enjoying watching Trae right now more than any other Hawk. He's ruining shit. I've always said, boom or bust. He doesn't have a middle ground. He's not like Delon where he has a high center even if he has low ceilings. 

[Bonkers]

You will get trolled my the Trae fanatics but this is 100% the truth

 

And Bron could play that way and win titles in his prime because he's Bron!! The other 2 ain't. And prime Bron played good defense too (just had to throw that in there)

Edited January 13, 2022 by Bonkers

[Spud2nique]

Awaiting @TheNorthCydeRises‘s response…

[benhillboy]

Schlenk is well aware of the drawbacks of heliocentricity I’m sure coming from a GS squad that had offensive variance in spades:

Barnes slashing and dribble driving (with Barbosa sprinkled in)

Point Forward in Green AND Iggy

Bogut Point Center

Stupid three point shooting in Splash Bros

EVERYONE screening and cutting 

Mid range mastery from Livingston 

Great screen and lob threat in Ezeli

All we have is the last one in John and Clint.  After last nights dragging I expect drastic changes to the roster but the product won’t change much.  I can’t blame Trae his profile has been set in stone since a kid it’s Schlenk trying to build a sustainable product around a non screening, non cutting, non defender.  Who does that.  
 

Like you said the Blazers had their flash in the pan with Lilliard (as we did) but that’s clearly over.  And their team energy with Simons starting is much better as I thought it would.

Edited January 13, 2022 by benhillboy

[NBASupes]

1 minute ago, benhillboy said:

Schlenk is well aware of the drawbacks of heliocentricity I’m sure coming from a GS squad that had offensive variance in spades:

Barnes slashing and dribble driving (with Barbosa sprinkled in)

Point Forward in Green AND Iggy

Bogut Point Center

Stupid three point shooting in Splash Bros

EVERYONE screening and cutting 

Mid range mastery from Livingston 

Great screen and lob threat in Ezeli

All we have is the last one in John and Clint.  After last nights dragging I expect drastic changes to the roster but the product won’t change much.  I can’t blame Trae his profile has been set in stone since a kid it’s Schlenk trying to build a sustainable product around a non screening, non cutting, non defender.  Who does that.  
 

Like you said the Blazers had their flash in the pan with Lilliard (as we did) but that’s clearly over.  And their team energy with Simons starting is much better.

Steph Curry doesn't play heliocentric Basketball. He is an elite player movement type and Klay is a player movement type. Those guys resemble the 60 wins Hawks but with a lot more talent. 

[terrell]

Hawks need to go ahead and start

Trae/Cam/Hunter/Collins/Capela

When everyone gets healthy..

Its time to Let them grow together..

See if its our lineup of the future or not...

Bogi/Gallo/Lou/Delon should be moved.....

Might as well start getting Rife and JJ into the flow of the NBA..

 

 

 

[terrell]

2 hours ago, NBASupes said:

 

 

Lakers made this deal thinking it will get them over because Kuz doesn't fit Bron ball and now look at their asses. Bron is at the 5 and Russ is stinking it up viciously. Kuz showing all star production of late. 

Trae moving to the 5? lol

[Bonkers]

2 hours ago, NBASupes said:

 

 

Lakers made this deal thinking it will get them over because Kuz doesn't fit Bron ball and now look at their asses. Bron is at the 5 and Russ is stinking it up viciously. Kuz showing all star production of late. 

Salute to @NBASupes

It seems like only a handfull of us on here really understand Basketball and how it's supposed to be played

Edited January 13, 2022 by Bonkers

[benhillboy]

19 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Steph Curry doesn't play heliocentric Basketball. He is an elite player movement type and Klay is a player movement type. Those guys resemble the 60 wins Hawks but with a lot more talent. 

You clearly didn’t understand me bro, I agree totally with you.  I said that team was the antithesis of heliocentricity.  I’m proud to say  you don’t know a bigger Steph fanatic nor Trae critic.   I got posts in the archives detailing how Steph was better than Joe Johnson in his second season and how BUs with solid floor games abused Trae in his sophomore campaign.  You preaching to the choir bro.

Edited January 13, 2022 by benhillboy

[NBASupes]

3 minutes ago, benhillboy said:

You clearly didn’t understand me bro, I agree totally with you.  I said that team was the antithesis of heliocentricity.  You don’t know a bigger Steph Stan nor Trae detractor than me, they’re polar opposites.

100%

[Spud2nique]

2 minutes ago, benhillboy said:

You don’t know a bigger Steph Stan

tell me something I don’t know. You come straight from the Warriors bro, I’ve known this for years. Why do you think I took over your avatar? Cuz you’re a Warrior Stan, I’m just glad you finally had the guts to say it out loud. 

[mrhonline]

7 minutes ago, Bonkers said:

It seems like only a handfull of us on here really understand Basketball and how it's supposed to be played

Can you point these people out to me? I'm really struggling to find them right now.

[kg01]

So trade Trae, start Wright then?

[benhillboy]

Side note do we have a win against a Kyle Lowry-starting team since Trae’s been here?  I think I remember one but not sure.

[Final_quest]

4 minutes ago, kg01 said:

So trade Trae, start Wright then?

I guess we're saying trade Trae and build around our superstar wings?  Trae is holding back their greatness.

[terrell]

2 hours ago, NBASupes said:

It's the same as Bron/Luka/Trae is all just an high end variance of the same bullshit. The wings stand a lot. Only wings and guards that get better from this shit are guys Korver, Klay, J.R. Smith, Snell. Guys who are either movement specialist who run around to get open and they are sharps, spot up specialists like J.R. Smith, and guards who are just scoring based with some movement who really don't need touches like that, like Mo Williams. 

Anyone who needs touches? Nope.

Look at this shit: 

 

Kyle left Bron ball and instantly started playing well. Part of the reason Utah got Clarkson for so cheap was he sucked in Bron Ball. Bron/Luka/Trae ball is trash. I love all three of these generational rare talents but their style of heliocentric offense is ASS! And I am someone who think's Bron is GOAT. But this offense is so limiting. Almost everyone around them has to be very good shooters or better. What makes matters worse, Trae defense is WOAT so you almost got to get him around stacked defensive players. But he's so small, you need some extra ball handlers but how many 3&D guys got handles, NONE! It's like trying to build a team in a small cage. It's limiting. Idk. This shit is hard. 

All of them get more out of bigs than anything, especially Trae. All of them need shooters around for spacing. Man, I am not enjoying watching Trae right now more than any other Hawk. He's ruining shit. I've always said, boom or bust. He doesn't have a middle ground. He's not like Delon where he has a high center even if he has low ceilings. 

When I say shit like this I'm labeled a hater....lol

Said it from the beginning it aint gonna work...

Hawks would've been better off takiing JJ(who LP wanted) to pair with Collins..

Then we couldve lucked into Ja or Melo within the next couple of seasons...smdh

 

Just shut Trae down for a while...Make up a fake injury or something..It's a lost season. That's the best case scenario at the moment. Several reasons for that..

First, .500 right now doesn't get you in the play in. So think about it the hawks are 6 games under and if they were at .500 they'd be tied to be the last play in team. So pretty much season is over at this point it's safe to say....

Second, they will get to better evaluate the remaining core players on this team in a setting where they have to take more responsibility and that ultimately will lead to better decisions from our ass backwards front office..

 

 

Edited January 13, 2022 by terrell