Premium Member Popular Post sturt Posted April 11, 2022 Premium Member Popular Post Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benhillboy Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 On one hand I don’t want to give any excuses, every team had to deal with Covid gutting their lineups to varying degrees. On the other hand yeah this team should be expected to win around that .620 clip based on what they’ve shown when healthy the past two seasons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 It was a lot going wrong in that frame. Injuries. COVID. It was rough. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 13 minutes ago, benhillboy said: On one hand I don’t want to give any excuses, every team had to deal with Covid gutting their lineups to varying degrees. On the other hand yeah this team should be expected to win around that .620 clip based on what they’ve shown when healthy the past two seasons. stahhp. Not every team had 20+ games effected. The impact was so disparate, in this case, no other team was even remotely equivalent. That's not to say they played well all year, because they didn't. But that covid stretch defined this season's outcome in more ways than ... certain folks want to recognize. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benhillboy Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 The defense never gelled due to Clint, Dre, OO, and Delon not playing together until 2/3 of the season was done. Luckily Trae carried the offense and allowed the Hawks to squeak in there. I had my sights set on a +6 point differential and Top 10 in both offense and defense. Oh well we’ll get em next year f&@k Covid man. Some advanced tidbits: Trae ended with his highest WS/ 48 of the season at .181, steady incline from rookie season. Kevin had a disappointing year but a .559 eFG is nothing to sneeze at. OO with the highest WS/48 on the team as I expected (.202) Just don’t want to see him stagnated because our staff can’t cut down on his fouling or gradually develop his offensive set. Delon was an advanced darling. 126 O Rating and a 112 D Rating because only Tyus Jones played with a better mix of defending without fouling and playmaking without turning. They were the BU equivalents to DeJonte Murray and Chris f&@kin Paul. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REHawksFan Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 3 hours ago, sturt said: I WANT to agree with you, but then I remember recent snafus such as losing twice to the Pistons at the end of the year, blowing the games vs Miami or Charlotte LATE in the 4th, or looking lousy vs NOP at home. The Hawks had more good outings later in the year than bad outings, but they were still pretty dang schizo even when mostly healthy. My hope is and always has been that once the play-in starts, the focus will dial in defensively, Trae will go bananas offensively, and we'll get enough from the supporting cast to make it a fun and interesting ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted April 11, 2022 Premium Member Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 10 minutes ago, REHawksFan said: I WANT to agree with you, but then I remember recent snafus such as losing twice to the Pistons at the end of the year, blowing the games vs Miami or Charlotte LATE in the 4th, or looking lousy vs NOP at home. The Hawks had more good outings later in the year than bad outings, but they were still pretty dang schizo even when mostly healthy. My hope is and always has been that once the play-in starts, the focus will dial in defensively, Trae will go bananas offensively, and we'll get enough from the supporting cast to make it a fun and interesting ride. Hey.. Every team lose games to teams that they were not supposed to lose. Detroit won a little more than 20 games. They beat some teams that they were not supposed to beat... Same with NOP. We did lose some heartbreakers against Miami and Charlotte. However, that doesn't change the fact that we had to play G-Leaguers and 3rd stringers in games that mattered. Games we could have otherwise won had we played our regular rotation. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REHawksFan Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, Diesel said: Hey.. Every team lose games to teams that they were not supposed to lose. Detroit won a little more than 20 games. They beat some teams that they were not supposed to beat... Same with NOP. We did lose some heartbreakers against Miami and Charlotte. However, that doesn't change the fact that we had to play G-Leaguers and 3rd stringers in games that mattered. Games we could have otherwise won had we played our regular rotation. I'm aware. It's just that losing those games to teams they shouldn't have and blowing leads is not a huge deal when you are 20 games over .500 and comfortably in the top 6. But for the Hawks, it meant going from an outside shot at the 6 seed to the 9 seed and hoping to make it into the real playoffs. So it hurt more. And it's precisely because the NBA didn't cancel the Hawks games early on during their COVID issues like they did for other teams. I'm just saying I'd feel better about the position we are in if they had not lost those games late in the season once healthy. They were still a pretty Jeckyll / Hyde team when healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member sturt Posted April 11, 2022 Author Premium Member Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 31 minutes ago, REHawksFan said: then I remember recent snafus 1. That's practically every team this season... it's ridiculous who's beaten who. 2. Even taking that into account and saying what record we should have accumulated... then you're talking, what, 6 games lost that should have been wins?... so, that's good for #1 in the EC. 3. I subscribe to the Parcells mantra... you are what your record says you are... and when our real team played, we were .621. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted April 11, 2022 Premium Member Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 Date Start (ET) Opponent Tm Opp W L Streak Notes 1 Wed, Oct 20, 2021 7:00p Box Score Chicago Bulls L 88 94 0 1 L 1 2 Sat, Oct 23, 2021 8:00p Box Score @ Chicago Bulls L 82 97 0 2 L 2 3 Mon, Oct 25, 2021 7:30p Box Score @ Atlanta Hawks L 104 122 0 3 L 3 4 Thu, Oct 28, 2021 7:00p Box Score @ Philadelphia 76ers L 102 110 0 4 L 4 5 Sat, Oct 30, 2021 7:00p Box Score Orlando Magic W 110 103 1 4 W 1 6 Sun, Oct 31, 2021 7:30p Box Score @ Brooklyn Nets L 91 117 1 5 L 1 7 Tue, Nov 2, 2021 7:00p Box Score Milwaukee Bucks L 89 117 1 6 L 2 8 Thu, Nov 4, 2021 7:00p Box Score Philadelphia 76ers L 98 109 1 7 L 3 9 Fri, Nov 5, 2021 7:00p Box Score Brooklyn Nets L 90 96 1 8 L 4 10 Wed, Nov 10, 2021 7:30p Box Score @ Houston Rockets W 112 104 2 8 W 1 11 Fri, Nov 12, 2021 7:30p Box Score @ Cleveland Cavaliers L 78 98 2 9 L 1 12 Sat, Nov 13, 2021 7:30p Box Score @ Toronto Raptors W 127 121 3 9 W 1 13 Mon, Nov 15, 2021 7:00p Box Score Sacramento Kings L 107 129 3 10 L 1 14 Wed, Nov 17, 2021 7:00p Box Score Indiana Pacers W 97 89 4 10 W 1 15 Fri, Nov 19, 2021 7:00p Box Score Golden State Warriors L 102 105 4 11 L 1 16 Sun, Nov 21, 2021 6:00p Box Score Los Angeles Lakers L 116 121 4 12 L 2 17 Tue, Nov 23, 2021 7:00p Box Score Miami Heat L 92 100 4 13 L 3 18 Wed, Nov 24, 2021 8:00p Box Score @ Milwaukee Bucks L 93 114 4 14 L 4 19 Fri, Nov 26, 2021 3:30p Box Score @ Los Angeles Clippers L 96 107 4 15 L 5 20 Sun, Nov 28, 2021 9:30p Box Score @ Los Angeles Lakers L 106 110 4 16 L 6 G Date Start (ET) Opponent Tm Opp W L Streak Notes 21 Tue, Nov 30, 2021 10:00p Box Score @ Portland Trail Blazers L 92 110 4 17 L 7 22 Thu, Dec 2, 2021 9:00p Box Score @ Phoenix Suns L 103 114 4 18 L 8 23 Mon, Dec 6, 2021 7:00p Box Score Oklahoma City Thunder L 103 114 4 19 L 9 24 Wed, Dec 8, 2021 7:00p Box Score Washington Wizards L OT 116 119 4 20 L 10 25 Fri, Dec 10, 2021 8:00p Box Score @ New Orleans Pelicans L 93 109 4 21 L 11 26 Sun, Dec 12, 2021 6:00p Box Score Brooklyn Nets L 104 116 4 22 L 12 27 Thu, Dec 16, 2021 7:00p Box Score @ Indiana Pacers L 113 122 4 23 L 13 28 Sat, Dec 18, 2021 12:00p Box Score Houston Rockets L 107 116 4 24 L 14 29 Sun, Dec 19, 2021 6:00p Box Score Miami Heat W 100 90 5 24 W 1 30 Tue, Dec 21, 2021 7:30p Box Score @ New York Knicks L 91 105 5 25 L 1 31 Thu, Dec 23, 2021 7:30p Box Score @ Miami Heat L 112 115 5 26 L 2 32 Sun, Dec 26, 2021 7:00p Box Score @ San Antonio Spurs L 109 144 5 27 L 3 33 Wed, Dec 29, 2021 7:00p Box Score New York Knicks L 85 94 5 28 L 4 34 Sat, Jan 1, 2022 7:00p Box Score San Antonio Spurs W OT 117 116 6 28 W 1 35 Mon, Jan 3, 2022 8:00p Box Score @ Milwaukee Bucks W 115 106 7 28 W 2 36 Wed, Jan 5, 2022 7:00p Box Score @ Charlotte Hornets L 111 140 7 29 L 1 37 Thu, Jan 6, 2022 8:00p Box Score @ Memphis Grizzlies L 88 118 7 30 L 2 38 Sat, Jan 8, 2022 7:00p Box Score Orlando Magic W 97 92 8 30 W 1 39 Mon, Jan 10, 2022 7:00p Box Score Utah Jazz W 126 116 9 30 W 2 40 Tue, Jan 11, 2022 8:00p Box Score @ Chicago Bulls L 87 133 9 31 L 1 G Date Start (ET) Opponent Tm Opp W L Streak Notes 41 Fri, Jan 14, 2022 7:00p Box Score Toronto Raptors W 103 87 10 31 W 1 42 Sun, Jan 16, 2022 1:00p Box Score Phoenix Suns L 108 135 10 32 L 1 43 Tue, Jan 18, 2022 10:00p Box Score @ Golden State Warriors L 86 102 10 33 L 2 44 Wed, Jan 19, 2022 10:00p Box Score @ Sacramento Kings W 133 131 11 33 W 1 45 Fri, Jan 21, 2022 9:00p Box Score @ Utah Jazz L 101 111 11 34 L 1 46 Sun, Jan 23, 2022 8:00p Box Score @ Denver Nuggets L 111 117 11 35 L 2 47 Tue, Jan 25, 2022 7:00p Box Score Denver Nuggets L 105 110 11 36 L 3 48 Fri, Jan 28, 2022 7:00p Box Score @ Orlando Magic L 103 119 11 37 L 4 49 Sun, Jan 30, 2022 6:00p Box Score Cleveland Cavaliers W 115 105 12 37 W 1 50 Tue, Feb 1, 2022 7:00p Box Score New Orleans Pelicans L 101 111 12 38 L 1 51 Thu, Feb 3, 2022 7:00p Box Score Minnesota Timberwolves L 117 128 12 39 L 2 52 Fri, Feb 4, 2022 7:00p Box Score Boston Celtics L 93 102 12 40 L 3 53 Sun, Feb 6, 2022 3:30p Box Score @ Minnesota Timberwolves L 105 118 12 41 L 4 54 Tue, Feb 8, 2022 8:30p Box Score @ Dallas Mavericks L 86 116 12 42 L 5 55 Thu, Feb 10, 2022 7:00p Box Score Memphis Grizzlies L 107 132 12 43 L 6 56 Fri, Feb 11, 2022 7:00p Box Score Charlotte Hornets L 119 141 12 44 L 7 57 Mon, Feb 14, 2022 7:00p Box Score @ Washington Wizards L 94 103 12 45 L 8 58 Wed, Feb 16, 2022 7:30p Box Score @ Boston Celtics W 112 111 13 45 W 1 59 Thu, Feb 24, 2022 7:00p Box Score Cleveland Cavaliers W 106 103 14 45 W 2 60 Sat, Feb 26, 2022 12:00p Box Score Boston Celtics L 104 113 14 46 L 1 G Date Start (ET) Opponent Tm Opp W L Streak Notes 61 Sun, Feb 27, 2022 7:00p Box Score @ Charlotte Hornets W OT 127 126 15 46 W 1 62 Tue, Mar 1, 2022 7:00p Box Score @ Washington Wizards L 113 116 15 47 L 1 63 Thu, Mar 3, 2022 7:30p Box Score @ Toronto Raptors W 108 106 16 47 W 1 64 Fri, Mar 4, 2022 7:00p Box Score Indiana Pacers W 111 106 17 47 W 2 65 Mon, Mar 7, 2022 7:00p Box Score Atlanta Hawks W OT 113 110 18 47 W 3 66 Wed, Mar 9, 2022 7:00p Box Score Chicago Bulls L 108 114 18 48 L 1 67 Fri, Mar 11, 2022 7:30p Box Score @ Boston Celtics L 103 114 18 49 L 2 68 Sun, Mar 13, 2022 3:00p Box Score Los Angeles Clippers L 102 106 18 50 L 3 69 Tue, Mar 15, 2022 7:30p Box Score @ Miami Heat L 98 105 18 51 L 4 70 Thu, Mar 17, 2022 7:00p Box Score @ Orlando Magic W 134 120 19 51 W 1 71 Sat, Mar 19, 2022 8:00p Box Score @ Cleveland Cavaliers L 109 113 19 52 L 1 72 Mon, Mar 21, 2022 7:00p Box Score Portland Trail Blazers L 115 119 19 53 L 2 73 Wed, Mar 23, 2022 7:00p Box Score Atlanta Hawks W 122 101 20 53 W 1 74 Fri, Mar 25, 2022 7:00p Box Score Washington Wizards L 97 100 20 54 L 1 75 Sun, Mar 27, 2022 3:30p Box Score New York Knicks L 102 104 20 55 L 2 76 Tue, Mar 29, 2022 7:30p Box Score @ Brooklyn Nets L 123 130 20 56 L 3 77 Thu, Mar 31, 2022 7:00p Box Score Philadelphia 76ers W 102 94 21 56 W 1 78 Fri, Apr 1, 2022 8:00p Box Score @ Oklahoma City Thunder W 110 101 22 56 W 2 79 Sun, Apr 3, 2022 5:00p Box Score @ Indiana Pacers W 121 117 23 56 W 3 80 Wed, Apr 6, 2022 7:00p Box Score Dallas Mavericks L 113 131 23 57 L 1 G Date Start (ET) Opponent Tm Opp W L Streak Notes 81 Fri, Apr 8, 2022 7:00p Box Score Milwaukee Bucks L 101 131 23 58 L 2 82 Sun, Apr 10, 2022 7:00p Box Score @ Philadelphia 76ers L 106 118 23 I have highlighted the Detroit Piston's season for you. Why? So I can emphasis the games that they won that they should not have won. Did you know that they have beaten Toronto 3 times. Had Toronto won those 3 games, they would be in the #2 position instead of 5th. Detroit also beat Milwaukee and Philly and Miami. Lastly, you said RE.. that the Hawks were Jekyl and Hyde beside the COVIDGATE??? I disagree. I agree with the writers... we were a 62.1% winning team aside from COVIDGATE. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REHawksFan Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, sturt said: 1. That's practically every team this season... it's ridiculous who's beaten who. 2. Even taking that into account and saying what record we should have accumulated... then you're talking, what, 6 games lost that should have been wins?... so, that's good for #1 in the EC. 3. I subscribe to the Parcells mantra... you are what your record says you are... and when our real team played, we were .621. I know the .621 includes those blown games. I'm not saying that haven't played well. I'm just saying the .621 isn't all that comforting for me because of those blown games and the Hawks find themselves in a position where they don't have the luxury of a 7 game series right off the bat. They start with 2 straight elimination games which means there's ZERO room for one of those blown lead games. That's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Sothron Posted April 11, 2022 Premium Member Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 This is what the idiots on BSPN and other idiots that cover the NBA or post on realgm never understand or refuse to understand. The Hawks season was destroyed by covid and injuries. No team had more covid issues than we did. I will never forget when we had SIXTEEN players out at the same time from covid and injuries. And we still had to play games. Games that counted against healthy NBA teams. Our team without covid is a 50-55 win team as I predicted before the season. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member sturt Posted April 11, 2022 Author Premium Member Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 Just now, REHawksFan said: I know the .621 includes those blown games. I'm not saying that haven't played well. I'm just saying the .621 isn't all that comforting for me because of those blown games and the Hawks find themselves in a position where they don't have the luxury of a 7 game series right off the bat. They start with 2 straight elimination games which means there's ZERO room for one of those blown lead games. That's all. Oh. Well, I'm not suggesting it necessarily has any meaning to what we'll achieve in post-season... me, I think you can not not have what most regard as your second best player and still make noise. (I think we'll beat CHO. I think we'll beat CLE. And then I think we'll be extremely fortunate if somehow we would beat MIA... don't see that one happening.) My main thing is this team, yes, has had a wide range of performance even when intact or mostly intact.... but overall, it's a strong team, and still young. I'm expecting big things next season, and concurrently, expecting that we'll progress to the mean in terms of health after two consecutive seasons of chronic ughness. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Mule Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 Sometimes a team will simply blow a game. Sometimes another team will be hot and win the game. Sometimes a team that is not very good will have a great night and win. No one knows. On any given night - - Yep, sometimes you're the windshield and sometimes you're the bug! Atlanta sometimes played great. Sometimes they played not very well. Too many 4th quarter melt down games brought us to this, the play-in games. Now, it's stay awake (no sleepwalk) or go home. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Sothron Posted April 11, 2022 Premium Member Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 4 hours ago, sturt said: Btw I am stealing this image to use on twitter and realgm. This deserves to be seen outside the Squawk. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Popular Post sturt Posted April 11, 2022 Author Premium Member Popular Post Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 12 minutes ago, Sothron said: I am stealing this image Okay, but my copyright lawyer told me to tell you he'll be in touch... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 41 minutes ago, Sothron said: This is what the idiots on BSPN and other idiots that cover the NBA or post on realgm never understand or refuse to understand. The Hawks season was destroyed by covid and injuries. No team had more covid issues than we did. I will never forget when we had SIXTEEN players out at the same time from covid and injuries. And we still had to play games. Games that counted against healthy NBA teams. Our team without covid is a 50-55 win team as I predicted before the season. "Nah, everybody had covid ... blah, blah, blah ..." - Guys who ignore the facts, RgMers, and MIA fans (I won't leave you out, @benhillboy) 19 minutes ago, sturt said: Okay, but my copyright lawyer told me to tell you he'll be in touch... Caption: "Listen stu, we're gonna take that guy to the cleaners .... who'm I talkin' to again?" 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleachkit Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 Sorry but no one wants to hear it. Win the next two games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecampster Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 Let me post 2 graphics that should tell the tale: Graphic 1: Man games lost through Jan 17th. Graphic 2: Man games lost through April 8 There are 2 takeaways here: 1) some teams are just better than everyone else (Phoenix lost over 300 man games (7th most) and has a sizeable lost win share bubble (3rd biggest) but has the best record in the league. 2) This is not an accurate representation as the Hawks lost games mostly came by Jan 17th in an extremely short window. With over 175 man games lost by Jan 17 but only about 65 more the next 3 months. Also, Gallo's inspired play has greatly lessened the win share numbers lost by John, gained by Gallo. That said, what Miami, Denver, Phoenix did this year was very impressive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecampster Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 One more thought. The Hawks record as of Jan 17 was 17-25. They went 26-14 the rest of the way. Its pretty obvious that injuries COVID played a major role as did a lack of continuity. We could surprise some folks in the post season but Collins not being in shape isn't going to help. The playoffs is more of a bruising half court game and we could use another big...we could use 2. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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