The cobbled together, stuff we held on to during the playoffs mega super rumor and team direction thread.

[Threezus]

55 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Capela $19 million.

Gobert $38 million.

Gobert's better, just not twice as much particularly it has shown up in the playoffs when it matters most.

Fully agree with you on this and have been saying it for a long time now.  We all know Rudy is good and Ayton is good but good lord they imo aren't  2x as good cost wise + giving up multiple pieces to get them good over Capela and Onyeka.   If it was Capela + a 1st for Rudy and Rudy was making like 30 mil a year ok i can see it maybe.   But  twice the cost and all that stuff needed to get him no thanks.

[JTB]

If we can land Ayton this summer and that’s all we do I’d consider it a successful off season.

Ayton is enough to at least put this team in the playoffs and get out of the play-in fight. 
 

id love to see how teams try to guard Trae + JC + Ayton…..that’s a underrated BIG 3

[bird_dirt]

4 hours ago, AtLaS said:

Someone like Al Horford would destroy Rudy in the playoffs.   

Hey, anyone want to watch @NBASupes head explode? I would pay good money to watch a livestream of him watching this playoff series. 

[terrell]

39 minutes ago, AHF said:

If TS can get SGA and decides to trade JC and Huerter for Smart instead...

We're not getting SGA for just JC and Kev...Gonna have to offer a bunch of picks too Im sure...There was supposedly already talks with Boston about Smart.. I thought the rumor was JC and Kev for Smart and somebody else... Not sure..

Edited June 9, 2022 by terrell

[NBASupes]

38 minutes ago, JTB said:

If we can land Ayton this summer and that’s all we do I’d consider it a successful off season.

Ayton is enough to at least put this team in the playoffs and get out of the play-in fight. 
 

id love to see how teams try to guard Trae + JC + Ayton…..that’s a underrated BIG 3

I think ya'll underestimate how much worse we get on defense. 

We currently have an excellent defender next to a good defender and with a pretty good wing defender and we are 26th in the league on defense with a defensive minded coach. You downgrade to a good defender which Ayton is from Capela. We probably are the worst defense in the NBA but we should have the #1 offense. 

Edited June 9, 2022 by NBASupes

[terrell]

1 minute ago, NBASupes said:

I think ya'll underestimate how much worse we get on defense. 

Thats why I said we need 3 switchable defenders around them..

Edited June 9, 2022 by terrell

[NBASupes]

3 minutes ago, terrell said:

Thats why I said we need 3 switchable defenders around them..

It ain't got nothing to do with being switchable. You need defenders who are elite or can become elite without them being trash on offense like Tybulle where its 4 on 5. 

 

Okongwu can become elite. 

Hunter has to get better but he's a pretty good man defender but he's lacking as a team defender. Our 2 guard has to be a much better defender. At least he has to be good on D. Right now, Kevin is just average on D and Bogi is below average at best on D. 

Edited June 9, 2022 by NBASupes

[terrell]

4 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

It ain't got nothing to do with being switchable. You need defenders who are elite or can become elite without them being trash on offense like Tybulle where its 4 on 5. 

Of course they have to be good defenders with Trae/Ayton..

Smart/Hunter/OO or SGA/Hunter/OO

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[NekiEcko]

3 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

I think ya'll underestimate how much worse we get on defense. 

We currently have an excellent defender next to a good defender and with a pretty good wing defender and we are 26th in the league on defense with a defensive minded coach. You downgrade to a good defender which Ayton is from Capela. We probably are the worst defense in the NBA but we should have the #1 offense. 

If that is a case, what should this team do?  Maybe we should run it back since we got all of this talent on defense

[NBASupes]

Just now, terrell said:

Smart/Hunter/OO or SGA/Hunter/OO

Smart works but Boston ain't moving him. SGA is not available when I recently checked. They see him, Giddey, and their 2nd pick as their cornerstones. 

That's why if we trade JC. I want Ivey or Sharpe because they got the potential to be good defenders while being #1 or #2 options on offense. Daniels is an strong option as well since he's a playmaker who's a plus defender with SG size. He just needs to shoot the ball much better. 

[kg01]

2 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

It ain't got nothing to do with being switchable. You need defenders who are elite or can become elite without them being trash on offense like Tybulle where its 4 on 5.....

We interrupt this Supesday rant for a quick kg aside ...

Remember when folks started overrating this dude?  Guy's basically a guard version of Gobert on offense.  Good luck with that.

[NBASupes]

Just now, kg01 said:

We interrupt this Supesday rant for a quick kg aside ...

Remember when folks started overrating this dude?  Guy's basically a guard version of Gobert on offense.  Good luck with that.

Gobert is way better on offense. Way better. Don't do Gobert like that. Shit, Capela is way better than Matisse on offense. You can't be a wing and shoot like that. 

[JTB]

15 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

I think ya'll underestimate how much worse we get on defense. 

We currently have an excellent defender next to a good defender and with a pretty good wing defender and we are 26th in the league on defense with a defensive minded coach. You downgrade to a good defender which Ayton is from Capela. We probably are the worst defense in the NBA but we should have the #1 offense. 

Not underestimating. If they really wanted a defensive upgrade you could resign Wright and put him in the starting lineup. With all the offense Trae, JC, Ayton can give you.

[JTB]

11 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Smart works but Boston ain't moving him. SGA is not available when I recently checked. They see him, Giddey, and their 2nd pick as their cornerstones. 

That's why if we trade JC. I want Ivey or Sharpe because they got the potential to be good defenders while being #1 or #2 options on offense. Daniels is an strong option as well since he's a playmaker who's a plus defender with SG size. He just needs to shoot the ball much better. 

I don’t think we are going to address the SG position this summer like the FO hopes to.

[terrell]

14 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Smart works but Boston ain't moving him. SGA is not available when I recently checked. They see him, Giddey, and their 2nd pick as their cornerstones. 

That's why if we trade JC. I want Ivey or Sharpe because they got the potential to be good defenders while being #1 or #2 options on offense. Daniels is an strong option as well since he's a playmaker who's a plus defender with SG size. He just needs to shoot the ball much better. 

What you think about Johnny Davis? He carried his team on offense while playing good defense.. Hawks should have a good selection of wing talent if they go that route.. I like the AJ Griffin and Mathurin too..We're not getting Ivey unless we get a top 4 pick.. The others should be there at 7(Diesel trade rumor.lol)..

 

Edited June 9, 2022 by terrell

[NBASupes]

1 hour ago, NekiEcko said:

If that is a case, what should this team do?  Maybe we should run it back since we got all of this talent on defense

You can't fix everything in one day if it's not there. Fix what you can and build from there. 

You gotta have short term and long term vision but it gotta show value. If Atlanta gets worse from an Ayton/Capela trade. You gotta at least show that Ayton is an all star potential which makes Tony want to continue to build but if you run it back and the same results or you trade assets for Grant and you flop, Travis is good as gone. 

Fans ask if Travis trades JC for a pick, how quickly will he be judged. He won't be judged fast unless the kid shows no NBA potential like Culver. But if the kid stinks but shows flashes like Anthony Edwards or a young Giannis, he will be given time. 

Atlanta is in an unique position where they can make long term moves and short term moves. 

[Threezus]

2 hours ago, JTB said:

If we can land Ayton this summer and that’s all we do I’d consider it a successful off season.

Ayton is enough to at least put this team in the playoffs and get out of the play-in fight. 
 

id love to see how teams try to guard Trae + JC + Ayton…..that’s a underrated BIG 3

To me that all depends what it takes to get Ayton.  If we have to move 1 of Collins or a combo of Capela+ Hunter or something like that to do so then i wouldn't consider it a success honestly.   If ayton can be had without moving Collins or Hunter then im much more interested and would consider it a win.

[Spud2nique]

2 hours ago, AHF said:

If TS can get SGA and decides to trade JC and Huerter for Smart instead...

I didn’t say nothin. I just like the movie. 

[terrell]

2 hours ago, NBASupes said:

Smart works but Boston ain't moving him. SGA is not available when I recently checked. They see him, Giddey, and their 2nd pick as their cornerstones. 

That's why if we trade JC. I want Ivey or Sharpe because they got the potential to be good defenders while being #1 or #2 options on offense. Daniels is an strong option as well since he's a playmaker who's a plus defender with SG size. He just needs to shoot the ball much better. 

Daniels is intriguing as hell...

[NBASupes]

Hawks News

Gobert is no longer a target of the Hawks. They are not interested in Utah asking price for Gobert. While Danny isn't the GM, the asking price is hilarious. 

Atlanta has fully shifted their focus to LaVine and Ayton.

Atlanta has been in talks with several lottery teams about possible JC trades. Atlanta is clearly targeting players in the high part of the lottery with JC like they were doing last year with Cam but more aggressively and serious with JC. Portland is the most interested but there are more teams vying for JC. I am told Portland is targeting a trade around Winslow/7 for JC. I am told Indiana also has interest in JC as does Sacramento which is not new. 

I do not believe JC will be on the roster next year at this point but he could be. 

Okongwu and Hunter are off limits. The Gobert pullout closes that door in terms of Hunter.

Atlanta is looking at PFs to compete replace the lost of Gallo. Grant is a name of interest but the name I just heard that actually has legit interest to me is Jonathan Issac. Orlando has also had interest in Bogi and in Kevin Huerter. This could be something to look into.

Gallo is gone. He's either getting traded to OKC or getting cut. Either way, he is gone.

JJ, Coop, and the CP gang is good as locks to be back. 

While Atlanta plans to target LaVine and Ayton in FA and want to meet with both guys, Atlanta is planning to aggressive pursuit defense + shooting and less shot creation in FA for reserves. 

There is going to be competition for Delon Wright so Atlanta may look to a trade or at the draft to address the PG position and add more competition to the room. Atlanta is interested in bringing him back, just not sure they will. 

He hasn't heard nothing on Kevin Knox or Dieng but that doesn't mean they aren't wanted back by Atlanta. 

Atlanta had serious interest in last year's draft in Sengun, Josh Primo, and Chris Duarte. 

I don't expect big changes but JC could be moved and he's been in trade talks for lottery picks for awhile. This is not new. This has been going on since January. Teams have done their research on JC.