The Mega Super Rumor Thread (Part 2)

[Wretch]

42 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Does he give it up easy or is he in the mold of a Stevie Franchise where supposedly he will but really he won’t? 

Careful now...that's how rumors get started.

 

[sturt]

7 minutes ago, marco102 said:

 

What's the entire point of drafting a superstar to DRAW super stars to your market then? 

Like you just want Trae out here with scrubs?  

The fact that Trae is here and KD would even consider us is a step up.

Y'all straight tripping.  

@sturt, I'd wish you well in your misery because I'd be celebrating that championship.

I'm confused. Seriously. I see this, and my instant reaction is, "Well, marco just didn't read the post where I said it appears I've been misread."

Then.

The very next post in the thread shows, nope... he evidently somehow thought this comment was still relevant to what I was attempting to convey.

 

I can't explain that.

[sturt]

6 minutes ago, marco102 said:

This is the most asinine statement I ever heard.  Has nothing to do with character to want to be successful in your career. 

That's like you taking the worst job that pays the best wages and gives you the best work life balances, but because a few of your friends say that job will make you rich and a bad person, you won't take it. 

You'd take it and I'd take it. 

This is your beliefs so no disrespect.  I just think it's disrespectful for you to speak on someone's character when you don't know them personally or what they do when not on a basketball court. 

It's basketball it's not that serious.

There's too much here to try to dive into, and this isn't the time or place.

But suffice it to say, I think you talk out of both sides of your own mouth/keyboard here... and... we should bookmark it and come back to the topic sometime when the Hawksquawk discussion fodder is running a bit lower than it is right now.

[GameTime]

14 minutes ago, theheroatl said:

For how hot the rumor mill is, no trades today… it could get nutty if all these teams wait until they are on the clock

 

[kg01]

48 minutes ago, JTB said:

there’s going to be a lot of hawk fans who dislike Fischer after this ! LOL….trade or not

"After"?  Please.  I been hated that clown and all others of that ilk.  Woje, Sham, Windhort... put em all in a barrel and push em off Niagara Falls.

[KB21]

If the Hawks make the trade up to the 4th pick, I'm not really feeling Jaden Ivey as a great fit.  Below average defender, sub standard passer, mediocre perimeter shooter.  

[marco102]

2 minutes ago, KB21 said:

If the Hawks make the trade up to the 4th pick, I'm not really feeling Jaden Ivey as a great fit.  Below average defender, sub standard passer, mediocre perimeter shooter.  

All can be improved upon.  I hope they stand pat and not go crazy with the moving out proven talent for lottery picks.

Edited June 22, 2022 by marco102

[Spud2nique]

I just saw this…  wthell

[marco102]

3 minutes ago, kg01 said:

"After"?  Please.  I been hated that clown and all others of that ilk.  Woje, Sham, Windhort... put em all in a barrel and push em off Niagara Falls.

Whispers, I follow all of them on twitter. 

[thecampster]

Breaking some radio silence on something you've heard some of us talking about.

 

On June 9th I bounced the following off the other insiders in the insider thread. I was on a strict don't talk about this publicly until the draft but I don't see the point in holding it any further.  My post to the other guys on June 9th, slightly truncated.

"

Just had a very interesting conversation that I thought I'd bounce off of you guys. It is quite possible that anything we've heard, anything you are hearing in the media is false right now.

I talked with the old source who is still being fed info even though he's out of his old job but that info is now 2nd/3rd hand.  He states the Hawks are engaged in a major obfuscation campaign right now in order to hide their actual offseason activities. Per my guy, the org has been more active than in any other year past in spreading false information. Per the source, they do have a major fish lined up and they don't want anything to ruin it. So they and their partners are actively pushing false narratives out through their media leak partners and even unaware journalists. Even he isn't aware who the big fish is.  Says its being kept very hush hush. Closed door phone calls only. 

My guy says it could drop around draft night and would involve 16 and future assets. I spoke with my only remaining full time source by chat who said, no...nuh uh...oh man that would make some sense and asked if he could get back to me. That was a while ago, no word. He went from "no way" to "holy crap" in about 8 prolonged seconds..... There might be something secret brewing."

 

This was back on June 9th and discussions were had. I won't speak for the other guys.  I tried checking in with whoever I could talk to over the ensuring days, every few days and kept getting a "we don't talk about fight club" answer.  Up until June 9th, the only "big fish" we'd heard about were either Gobert or Ayton and something that had legs for a day or two about Simmons.  The Hawks had continued to push the idea they were looking for a trade partner for Gallo so they didn't have to waive him. There was no other noise coming out of the org, just the constant dribble of rumors about swapping Clint for another big man.

A week+ in to this, Travis went on the radio and stated we weren't making wholesale changes, everything was overblown. There was really no reason to say this publicly and immediately there after, the rumors about JC began to surface.  My guy (guys) stopped returning calls until the primary guy today (not the guy feeding me this) when he said, something will drop tonight, I don't have details (stated earlier today). Since June 9th, he's confirmed something is up but hasn't brought forward anything new.

 

In my years of being on the board and for many years hoarding info only for myself, I've never been shut out of info like this or been told something secret squirrel is going on for this long without details.

 

One thing I gleaned, the desire to move on from JC is mutual but not combative or beyond repair.  JC's fit with Clint is easily questioned but the proposed trades are mostly centered around John's desire to be in a more mature situation and the Hawks regretting all of the spending last year. The team was in a rebuilding phase since John arrived. Its been more unstable than he's comfortable with. The Hawks feel hamstrung. John is the 2nd highest paid player on the team, holds the most trade value and is arguably the easiest to replace with a free agent (like Portis), a year more of Gallo or a move to JJ. Neither party is happy with the potential split but both feel it may be the easiest path to their goals.  Both would be happy if he doesn't move on by Thursday. It would be the least happy divorce in history. John loves Atlanta, Atlanta loves John. Its a matter of fit from both perspectives. It isn't a sure thing he's moved. They've shopped him aggressively to gauge his value against what they've already been offered for him.

 

The original thinking was the best way to keep John was to pair him with a different center. That is no longer the only path forward.

 

One thing driving the Hawks thinking is the Miami series. Its not that they lost but a number of things that happened in that series outlined below.

1. Trae being grabbed, manhandled by Butler.  Nobody got in Butler's face. Hunter stepped in and separated them, pushed them both back but went straight at Trae talking to him.  Bogi and Gallo meandered about but nobody got in Butler's face. What I'm being told is team executives, ownership watched that over and over and that no one took the tech to give Butler a shove, take the heat from the Heat bothered them and questioned their team psychological makeup. Mentioned was the shoulder chuck given by Solo the previous year to Taj. We lacked that moment.

2. The dirty play of the Heat targeting Young and Hunter repeatedly in the series was a further focus of the lack of an enforcer on the floor. Remembering that Clint was out the first 3 games and JC was hurt throughout the series. The lack of both a star who could bait a call and a goon to give a hard foul. Leadership has talked about the psychology of winning a championship and the effect the goon tactics of Draymond Green had for GS. They're aware.

3. That the Hawks 3 point shooters clenched during the Miami series was on notice. Leadership noticed the lack of clutch.

 

The general feeling is the team played soft, played scared. That is the driving force behind their offseason plan. To get tougher.

 

Edited June 22, 2022 by thecampster

[KB21]

10 minutes ago, marco102 said:

All can be improved upon.  I hope they stand pat and not go crazy with the moving out proven talent for lottery picks.

I was looking at his shooting, and it appears he's a better perimeter shooter than I initially though.  It seems his in between game is the issue.  Over 90% of his offense comes either at the basket or behind the arc.  

[Hawkmoor]

Llyod Pierce gone.  John Collins gone. lmao

[theheroatl]

At this point I’m sure this infamous white board looks like this and even the Hawks FO lost track of what they are doing: 

 

 

[marco102]

8 minutes ago, thecampster said:

Breaking some radio silence on something you've heard some of us talking about.

 

On June 9th I bounced the following off the other insiders in the insider thread. I was on a strict don't talk about this publicly until the draft but I don't see the point in holding it any further.  My post to the other guys on June 9th, slightly truncated.

"

Just had a very interesting conversation that I thought I'd bounce off of you guys. It is quite possible that anything we've heard, anything you are hearing in the media is false right now.

I talked with the old source who is still being fed info even though he's out of his old job but that info is now 2nd/3rd hand.  He states the Hawks are engaged in a major obfuscation campaign right now in order to hide their actual offseason activities. Per my guy, the org has been more active than in any other year past in spreading false information. Per the source, they do have a major fish lined up and they don't want anything to ruin it. So they and their partners are actively pushing false narratives out through their media leak partners and even unaware journalists. Even he isn't aware who the big fish is.  Says its being kept very hush hush. Closed door phone calls only. 

My guy says it could drop around draft night and would involve 16 and future assets. I spoke with my only remaining full time source by chat who said, no...nuh uh...oh man that would make some sense and asked if he could get back to me. That was a while ago, no word. He went from "no way" to "holy crap" in about 8 prolonged seconds..... There might be something secret brewing."

 

This was back on June 9th and discussions were had. I won't speak for the other guys.  I tried checking in with whoever I could talk to over the ensuring days, every few days and kept getting a "we don't talk about fight club" answer.  Up until June 9th, the only "big fish" we'd heard about were either Gobert or Ayton and something that had legs for a day or two about Simmons.  The Hawks had continued to push the idea they were looking for a trade partner for Gallo so they didn't have to waive him. There was no other noise coming out of the org, just the constant dribble of rumors about swapping Clint for another big man.

A week+ in to this, Travis went on the radio and stated we weren't making wholesale changes, everything was overblown. There was really no reason to say this publicly and immediately there after, the rumors about JC began to surface.  My guy (guys) stopped returning calls until the primary guy today (not the guy feeding me this) when he said, something will drop tonight, I don't have details (stated earlier today). Since June 9th, he's confirmed something is up but hasn't brought forward anything new.

 

In my years of being on the board and for many years hoarding info only for myself, I've never been shut out of info like this or been told something secret squirrel is going on for this long without details.

 

One thing I gleaned, the desire to move on from JC is mutual but not combative or beyond repair.  JC's fit with Clint is easily questioned but the proposed trades are mostly centered around John's desire to be in a more mature situation and the Hawks regretting all of the spending last year. The team was in a rebuilding phase since John arrived. Its been more unstable than he's comfortable with. The Hawks feel hamstrung. John is the 2nd highest paid player on the team, holds the most trade value and is arguably the easiest to replace with a free agent (like Portis), a year more of Gallo or a move to JJ. Neither party is happy with the potential split but both feel it may be the easiest path to their goals.  Both would be happy if he doesn't move on by Thursday. It would be the least happy divorce in history. John loves Atlanta, Atlanta loves John. Its a matter of fit from both perspectives. It isn't a sure thing he's moved. They've shopped him aggressively to gauge his value against what they've already been offered for him.

 

The original thinking was the best way to keep John was to pair him with a different center. That is no longer the only path forward.

 

One thing driving the Hawks thinking is the Miami series. Its not that they lost but a number of things that happened in that series outlined below.

1. Trae being grabbed, manhandled by Butler.  Nobody got in Butler's face. Hunter stepped in and separated them, pushed them both back but went straight at Trae talking to him.  Bogi and Gallo meandered about but nobody got in Butler's face. What I'm being told is team executives, ownership watched that over and over and that no one took the tech to give Butler a shove, take the heat from the Heat bothered them and questioned their team psychological makeup. Mentioned was the shoulder chuck given by Solo the previous year to Taj. We lacked that moment.

2. The dirty play of the Heat targeting Young and Hunter repeatedly in the series was a further focus of the lack of an enforcer on the floor. Remembering that Clint was out the first 3 games and JC was hurt throughout the series. The lack of both a star who could bait a call and a goon to give a hard foul. Leadership has talked about the psychology of winning a championship and the effect the goon tactics of Draymond Green had for GS. They're aware.

3. That the Hawks 3 point shooters clenched during the Miami series was on notice. Leadership noticed the lack of clutch.

 

The general feeling is the team played soft, played scared. That is the driving force behind their offseason plan. To get tougher.

 

Thanks @thecampster, so something really should go down tonight? 

I'll be up late working and refreshing here and twitter.

[Q45T]

Damn don’t wanna see Collins go… he sacrificed a lot for this franchise but it’s a business so

[thecampster]

Just now, marco102 said:

Thanks @thecampster, so something really should go down tonight? 

I'll be up late working and refreshing here and twitter.

Don't miss sleep but something is going on.

[marco102]

Just now, thecampster said:

Don't miss sleep but something is going on.

Haha I won't.  I work from home now and don't normally get to bed until around 1 am. 

[GameTime]

10 minutes ago, thecampster said:

 

 

One thing driving the Hawks thinking is the Miami series. Its not that they lost but a number of things that happened in that series outlined below.

1. Trae being grabbed, manhandled by Butler.  Nobody got in Butler's face. Hunter stepped in and separated them, pushed them both back but went straight at Trae talking to him.  Bogi and Gallo meandered about but nobody got in Butler's face. What I'm being told is team executives, ownership watched that over and over and that no one took the tech to give Butler a shove, take the heat from the Heat bothered them and questioned their team psychological makeup. Mentioned was the shoulder chuck given by Solo the previous year to Taj. We lacked that moment.

2. The dirty play of the Heat targeting Young and Hunter repeatedly in the series was a further focus of the lack of an enforcer on the floor. Remembering that Clint was out the first 3 games and JC was hurt throughout the series. The lack of both a star who could bait a call and a goon to give a hard foul. Leadership has talked about the psychology of winning a championship and the effect the goon tactics of Draymond Green had for GS. They're aware.

 

In all seriously though that is why the trade up for Daniels makes no sense to me. While he is a really good technical defender similar to Hunter, he lacks that goon in him. Eason and Sochan more fit that "Ivan the Terrible" mold.

[KB21]

I can't imagine 16 and future assets getting a "big fish".  

[GameTime]

2 minutes ago, thecampster said:

Don't miss sleep but something is going on.

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