The Mega Super Rumor Thread (Part 2)

[REHawksFan]

8 hours ago, sturt said:

Wonder if Kirschner is on his way out... the way he waylaid Ressler today in his write-up...

The Hawks’ big draft-night trade Thursday saw the team send the 44th pick to Golden State for $2 million in cash and pick No. 51. Let me be very clear about this deal: There is no basketball reason the Hawks made this trade. The $2 million doesn’t help the salary cap, and it doesn’t help them avoid the luxury tax. It has no benefit to increasing your Hawks fandom in any way.

These were the players drafted from picks 44 through 50: Ryan Rollins, Josh Minott, Ismael Kamagate, Vince Williams Jr., Kendall Brown, Isaiah Mobley and Matteo Spagnolo. If any of them becomes a high-level contributor for another team, you can thank Ressler for the Hawks not having the chance to draft him. Oh, and the pick they sold at No. 44 was to the NBA champion Golden State Warriors, who frankly don’t care what it takes to possibly make their team better.

Sure, picks this late in the draft rarely pan out anyway (Nikola Jokic, picked 41st and the reigning back-to-back MVP winner, is the exception, not the rule), but it actively hurts the franchise to drop seven slots for no reason at all. UConn’s Tyrese Martin, whom the Hawks picked at No. 51, could end up being a fine player for Atlanta, but the trade is still an awful one and a move that cannot be sold to the fan base as smart basketball decision-making. This isn’t on president of basketball operations Travis Schlenk or soon-to-be general manager Landry Fields. This is only on Ressler.

 

... and that he felt so hyped about being able to report that someone close to John told him that he's out of Atlanta that, originally, there appeared on The Athletic's site a graphic with his picture and set in big font, made just to highlight that affirmation (... and now it appears it's been taken down). He's clearly wanted that to happen really, really bad, and the easy takeaway is this is a vindicating moment for him... well, not quite, but he's so anxious for it, he couldn't wait for there to be actual news.

That, to me, signals a more aggressive, abrasive, in your face attitude on the part of young Chris than ever before.... hence my idea that maybe he's moving on to something else, and he figures what the hell.

 

By the way... it actually does matter to someone preparing to pay tax that he's going to have an additional $2m in the bank for the terrible transgression of backing down 7 slots in the 2nd round. But Kirschner clearly felt like unloading on the owner. Wouldn't be surprised in the least if there was something that prompted that... ran over his dog, or slashed his tires, or maybe Tony called The Athletic to suggest some dissatisfaction. Who knows.

 

Yeah, that was over the top aggressive toward Ressler and seemed really out of place to me.  Don't think selling 44 is all that big of a deal honestly. And certainly not as big of a deal as he made it out to be. 

[NBASupes]

2 minutes ago, REHawksFan said:

Yeah, that was over the top aggressive toward Ressler and seemed really out of place to me.  Don't think selling 44 is all that big of a deal honestly. And certainly not as big of a deal as he made it out to be. 

Some who rated Hollins high are mad at this like the Graham trade years back but there is a great chance they wasnt taking Hollins

[JTB]

1 hour ago, Diesel said:

 

So the price could have been:   JC + 2 Future Firsts (unprotected) for Murray.

Do you like the deal?

Yes. That works.

we would have an all star backcourt going forward. It’s a great deal and we can add on to it going forward.

[marco102]

7 minutes ago, JTB said:

Yes. That works.

we would have an all star backcourt going forward. It’s a great deal and we can add on to it going forward.

You don't give out unprotected picks unless you are getting a superstar.  Murray is good, but he's no super star. 

[Diesel]

38 minutes ago, marco102 said:

What if I told you they were wasting their time. 

I know dam well they are not getting KD.

Supes is the only one that said that Capela will stay and his info changes from day to day based on what rumors are being spread. Soth said to the best of his knowledge Capela is still gone.

If we get KD I will change my avatar for a month to whatever you like. If we don't, you do the same?

I'm glad to see the pessimism is still in place.  We look forward. 

[bleachkit]

16 minutes ago, REHawksFan said:

Yeah, that was over the top aggressive toward Ressler and seemed really out of place to me.  Don't think selling 44 is all that big of a deal honestly. And certainly not as big of a deal as he made it out to be. 

Another day of Kirschner triggering sensitive Hawksquawk members. 

[Diesel]

2 minutes ago, marco102 said:

You don't give out unprotected picks unless you are getting a superstar.  Murray is good, but he's no super star. 

This is the poor thinking that holds us back.   Murray is a proven commodity.   Those two draft picks.. (if we have Murray) is probably going to fall early to late twenties are not proven.  In fact, would probably be good role players at best.   You would rather hold on to that instead of getting Trae exactly what he needs to be successful?

[marco102]

1 minute ago, Diesel said:

I'm glad to see the pessimism is still in place.  We look forward. 

Not pessimism.  I noticed you avoided the avatar bet because you know it's highly unlikely too.  Just think it is a waste of energy to even  debate something that unlikely.  Murray, Ayton sure...let's discuss. KD not happening and no reason wasting pages of discussion on it. 

They have the best chance of offering a package for KD.

[sturt]

8 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Another day of Kirschner triggering sensitive Hawksquawk members. 

One man's "sensitive" is another man's "observant."

We talk here... it's okay to make observations... and even to call out someone for some over-the-top behavior. No?

[marco102]

Just now, Diesel said:

This is the poor thinking that holds us back.   Murray is a proven commodity.   Those two draft picks.. (if we have Murray) is probably going to fall early to late twenties are not proven.  In fact, would probably be good role players at best.   You would rather hold on to that instead of getting Trae exactly what he needs to be successful?

That's the key word and why you add top 5 protections which is still very good, but doesn't destroy your franchise in case something unexpected happens.

[sturt]

1 minute ago, Diesel said:

Murray is a proven commodity.

Nah. You don't get that label by having only achieved one-year-wonder status. I don't want to take anything away from the idea that he's a hot commodity for reason... but that is altogether something different from a proven commodity.

[marco102]

10 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Another day of Kirschner triggering sensitive Hawksquawk members. 

I'm not a Kirschner basher, but when media members lament a business for getting extra cash for a trade, it's crazy to me.  The chances of that pick turning into anything is less than 5%. 

Ressler may be about to pay tax and that $2 million can be the difference of keeping an actual NBA player or having an open roster spot. 

It is so stupid to be upset about trading a 40+ second round pick when we barely have any playing time available.

1 minute ago, sturt said:

Nah. You don't get that label by having only achieved one-year-wonder status. I don't want to take anything away from the idea that he's a hot commodity for reason... but that is altogether something different from a proven commodity.

He is a proven commodity.  Proven defender and playmaker which is what the Hawks need.

[Diesel]

5 minutes ago, marco102 said:

Not pessimism.  I noticed you avoided the avatar bet because you know it's highly unlikely too.  Just think it is a waste of energy to even  debate something that unlikely.  Murray, Ayton sure...let's discuss. KD not happening and no reason wasting pages of discussion on it. 

They have the best chance of offering a package for KD.

It's all in who you ask...

 

 

[JayBirdHawk]

31 minutes ago, JTB said:

Yes. That works.

we would have an all star backcourt going forward. It’s a great deal and we can add on to it going forward.

 

23 minutes ago, marco102 said:

You don't give out unprotected picks unless you are getting a superstar.  Murray is good, but he's no super star. 

Agreed. Like I previously said, I've been wanting Murray on this team for the past 2 years, but you don't hand out unprotected picks like candy on Halloween for a player that isn't in the Tier 1 of superstars, on a 2 year contract while also sending them a player asset. It's too much.

 

[marco102]

3 minutes ago, Diesel said:

It's all in who you ask...

 

 

Avatar bet?

[sturt]

7 minutes ago, marco102 said:

He is a proven commodity.  Proven defender and playmaker which is what the Hawks need.

We have different definitions of "proven," clearly.

This time last year, he was generally understood to be a leg iron on the SAS roster. You don't ascend to "proven commodity" status in one year. He could very easily regress to something more like his performances of his previous years. I don't think that will happen, but it's also not like it never happens.

[Diesel]

4 minutes ago, marco102 said:

That's the key word and why you add top 5 protections which is still very good, but doesn't destroy your franchise in case something unexpected happens.

The franchise is not destroyed??  Are you kidding?

Ok... Let's say we do that damn deal.  JC + 2024 and 2026 pick (unprotected)... and let say next year we get an injury bug...  Is the Franchise destroyed?  NO.

First.. in 2024, we still have Charlotte's 1st rounder for picks.

2nd... we have all of our guys signed for 2025... and on.

That's not franchise destroying...  

But lets say we Stand pat.

We get the 2024 pick..  It's probably somebody that will need to be developed over a few years.   It will take them at least 4 years to get to the level of Murray.   So in those 4 years, how often do you think Trae will ask for a trade?

You got to change your mindset Marco..

We are not a team that develops talent anymore.   We have a superstar and we're trying to get into the championship picture.   Championship teams don't waste time developing while their superstars are young.  They acquire talent. 

 

 

[JayBirdHawk]

10 minutes ago, marco102 said:

Not pessimism.  I noticed you avoided the avatar bet because you know it's highly unlikely too.  Just think it is a waste of energy to even  debate something that unlikely.  Murray, Ayton sure...let's discuss. KD not happening and no reason wasting pages of discussion on it. 

They have the best chance of offering a package for KD.

Can you post the KD podcast?

[marco102]

Just now, sturt said:

We have different definitions of "proven," clearly.

This time last year, he was generally understood to be a leg iron on the SAS roster. You don't ascend to "proven commodity" status in one year. He could very easily regress to something more like his performances of his previous years. I don't think that will happen, but it's also not like it never happens.

Ok, prove to me he's not a good defender or playmaker. 

If you can't, those aspects are proven and no debate should commence henceforth.

[marco102]

1 minute ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Can you post the KD podcast?

Haven't seen the link for it on my timeline.  Just a few clips.