The Mega Super Rumor Thread (Part 2)

[JeffS17]

2 minutes ago, HawkingAwesome said:

i will admit freely i wanted steven adams over capella 

I did as well.  Adams honestly isn't as good and has a ton of limitations but I just love the guys attitude and approach

[HawkingAwesome]

Just now, JeffS17 said:

I did as well.  Adams honestly isn't as good and has a ton of limitations but I just love the guys attitude and approach

doesn't hurt either that he's the strongest guy on the court.

[kg01]

Just now, HawkingAwesome said:

i'm not a paschall over collins poster, but try hards are my favorite types of players.

But always remember, you don't become great without being a 'try-hard'.

[HawkingAwesome]

1 minute ago, kg01 said:

But always remember, you don't become great without being a 'try-hard'.

very true

[kg01]

2 minutes ago, AHF said:

To generalize it, you only trade him if the other team wants him.  That wouldn't necessarily be the case.

Wot?

2 minutes ago, AHF said:

I'm still skeptical we trade for Simmons at all given the red flags on Simmons and the potential fit concerns (the spacing/shooting is obvious but behond that 3 alpha playmakers doesn't seem like a recipe for success when only one can have the ball in their hand at any given time).

All fair concerns.

[RedDawg#8]

Just so we are clear. Ben Simmons issues run much deeper than his blown layup moment against us.

He has been criticized for a lack of competitiveness and willingness to be coached up since he was in High School.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/lists/ben-simmons-2016-nba-draft-scouting-report-photo-givony-drama-reaction-sixers

His talent level is out of this world, which is why at every level people think that they can fix his issues and turn the lightbulb on for him. But since he has started making millions it has become less and less of a priority for him to actually put winning first. BB breakdown explains very well his issues and how he is basically a center who doesn't know it yet.

He makes a good point that some of his assists are not because he is making a good play, but because he is passing up his own scoring opportunities afraid of getting fouled and going to the line. 

Y'all keep thinking that we are over hyping his issues but he played next to an MVP level center who could also step out and hit perimeter shots. He had an elite 3 point shooter in Curry next to him. Another great shooter in Danny Green. Even that was not enough spacing to hide him on offense.

Y'all think the box-and-1 was bad versus Miami, imagine the zoning that will happen when you can guard either of CC/OO and Simmons with just one defender in the paint splitting the difference between the 2 because they both want to get to 5 feet before taking a shot.

[georgia]

Based on no trades.    We need a bigger 3.   Wonder if we have eyes for tj Warren and yes we need a mean type of player

[RedDawg#8]

16 minutes ago, theheroatl said:

Man this is just gold… good old windy losing it LOL

 

Windy is on to something here. The Jazz are shedding a ton of salary right now. BOLO for them to insert themselves in to the madness.

I imagine they can become a landing spot for a contract in a multi-team trade to get KD to PHO. 

[AHF]

3 minutes ago, kg01 said:

But always remember, you don't become great without being a 'try-hard'.

Are you sure every all-time great was really a try-hard?  Joey's dad disagrees:

 

[kg01]

I'm rejecting @RedDawg#8's friend request after that post.

In all seriousness, I've been ultra critical of Simmons throughout his career for all the issues you listed.  I'm being a bit facetious in hoping we acquire him but I do think a right-minded Simmons helps us.

I feel a lot of the issues arose from him being miscast as this Lebron-esque player when he's not that.  In that role, his weaknesses are exposed.  I think he'd benefit from being secondary here.

[h4wkfan]

I wonder if Ibaka would come in on the vet min? He’d bring an edge we are lacking. 

[HawkingAwesome]

hawks don't need ben to be a 30 10 10 guy they just need him to be a 10 5 10 guy 

[hylndr11]

2 minutes ago, HawkingAwesome said:

hawks don't need ben to be a 30 10 10 guy they just need him to be a 10 5 10 guy 

That's great, but not for that amount of dough

[Dean Walker]

Nets supposedly can look like…..

ben/rozier

hayward/mills

bridges/?

cam j/?

ayton/?

That’s a hell of a recovery!

[kg01]

3 minutes ago, HawkingAwesome said:

hawks don't need ben to be a 30 10 10 guy they just need him to be a 10 5 10 guy 

Be our Draymond.

1 minute ago, hylndr11 said:

That's great, but not for that amount of dough

Hefty price but a hefty impact too, if it goes well.

[kg01]

Bol bol signed by ORL.  'Member when I told yall he'd be outta the league by now but the rest of yall said he was 'great'??

I'm thinking I'm more 'right' on that'n. 

[RandomFan]

12 minutes ago, HawkingAwesome said:

hawks don't need ben to be a 30 10 10 guy they just need him to be a 10 5 10 guy 

Yep.

9 minutes ago, hylndr11 said:

That's great, but not for that amount of dough

You seem to forget, on the other side of that coin is also a Defensive Player Of The Year candidate too.

[JeffS17]

I think everyone is pretty aligned on Simmons.  Our defense would go from trash to elite if we added him as well.  Spacing would suck unless more changes are made to the roster... If Schlenk goes for Simmons, I am sure he will have more moves to round out a cohesive roster.  It feels a little risky to me right now as I think we have a really nice squad ready to show us something

[AHF]

7 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Bol bol signed by ORL.  'Member when I told yall he'd be outta the league by now but the rest of yall said he was 'great'??

I'm thinking I'm more 'right' on that'n. 

I think people thought he had big upside - not that he was ready to dominate.  That potential is why he is still in the league.  But anyone who thought he would rapidly become relevant has clearly been wrong.  

Will be interested to see if they give him minutes or not because he hasn't had many.

[HawkingAwesome]

1 minute ago, JeffS17 said:

I think everyone is pretty aligned on Simmons.  Our defense would go from trash to elite if we added him as well.  Spacing would suck unless more changes are made to the roster... If Schlenk goes for Simmons, I am sure he will have more moves to round out a cohesive roster.  It feels a little risky to me right now as I think we have a really nice squad ready to show us something

murray hunter oo and simmons how do you even score on that?