Official Game Thread: Nets at Hawks

[marco102]

Are we going to be in the Wembenyana sweepstakes?

[Diesel]

You are challenging this to 4 seconds...

 

[Sothron]

Diesel, you are just wrong on this one and it isn't even close. Literally everyone I know that watched that game plus everyone here on the Squawk and on the internet at large agrees Nate should have called the timeout. Even our entire announcing crew said he should have called the time out. 

[BrazilianHawk]

19 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Let's just leave DJM out of the play because 6'10 Ben Simmons is draped on him like a coat.   They probably have Royce Oneal on Bogi.  A Holiday with Kyrie.. and Collins and Nick out there together and JJ gets the pleasure of having to pass over KD....

 Even if we get the ball in, they have their best defenders in the game. 

 

Wait... did we NOT score 107 points on this supposed god-like defense? And you say we couldn't score 2 more out of a timeout? 

I'm done with this. Whatever. 

[TheNorthCydeRises]

11 minutes ago, Diesel said:

That's if you can inbound the ball and get it cleanly to the middle.   Like I have asked, who is inbounding and who are they throwing it to...

It's easier to deal with a defense in transition that is out of sorts than to deal with a set defense.   

 

 

Diesel . . you talk like the Nets are the 2004 Pistons.   Brooklyn is an improved defensive team, but they're not a lockdown defensive team.

In that situation, I personally like the option of trying to get the ball to Collins in the paint.  With that amount of time left, you literally have time to take 3 dribbles, pass it, and have someone shoot it.  You have to trust that the coaches can come up with a great inbounds play.

We've seen them do it twice.  Why not trust them a 3rd time?

[JayBirdHawk]

Nate was afraid that Prunty would draw up another game winner. 

[JTB]

One last thing on Nate and I may be done with my ranting for the night …..

Did anyone notice with the game being close around the 4 minute mark Murray suddenly starts going iso in back to back to back possessions????

Typically this trae doing this but it was extremely shocking tonight after the much better ball movement for most of the night. Folks can say what they want and place the blame on Murray but this is obviously by design. So many thought of Trae just wants to go iso at the end of games but no I’m not buying that especially with 4 minutes left!…it’s very clear and obvious that Mcmillian and his staff would rather let the clock run out and play isolation basketball rather than moving the ball or having any kind of player movement.

isolation basketball is typical at the end of games but not that damn early. 4 minutes is a long time to be trying to slow the game down and waste the clock. 
 

what kind of nonsense…..

[TheNorthCydeRises]

7 minutes ago, marco102 said:

Talking about the obvious clear path on Kyrie. Nate should have been arguing about that instead of saving his timeouts.

 

Oh definitely that.   I agree he should've challenged that for a clear path foul.

[BrazilianHawk]

22 minutes ago, marco102 said:

I mean I understand the Nate furry, but why aren't y'all mad at these refs?

Well I am pissed off with the refs. . 

But I am MORE mad at Nate. He can't control the refs, but he can control his timeouts

[JTB]

7 minutes ago, marco102 said:

Are we going to be in the Wembenyana sweepstakes?

Seriously I was wondering if not calling the timeout was a tank move…not even kidding.

[Diesel]

3 minutes ago, Sothron said:

Diesel, you are just wrong on this one and it isn't even close. Literally everyone I know that watched that game plus everyone here on the Squawk and on the internet at large agrees Nate should have called the timeout. Even our entire announcing crew said he should have called the time out. 

The video speaks for itself.   Cleveland has better offensive players than we had tonight and they were pummeled.   Simmons was a key to every defensive play.   That's who you wanted on the floor with our 4 seconds... with a set defense. 

  Watch the 34 second mark of the video and see what the inbound defense looks like. 

4 seconds against their set defense?

Nah...   This is not me making excuses for Nate... I said it before they inbounded the ball... we had no Simmons going the other way... it's a chance. 

 

[Diesel]

6 minutes ago, BrazilianHawk said:

Wait... did we NOT score 107 points on this supposed god-like defense? And you say we couldn't score 2 more out of a timeout? 

I'm done with this. Whatever. 

Your play in the course of the game.. is different than getting up for 1 defensive stand.   Please be done. 

 

[JayBirdHawk]

Meanwhile....can we talk about the MISSED FREETHROWS???? @Gray Mule

[terrell]

7 minutes ago, marco102 said:

Are we going to be in the Wembenyana sweepstakes?

If CC is out for a while , it's possible... We're at #12 right now.. We need MVP Clint or it might be a wrap..

[JayBirdHawk]

3 minutes ago, Diesel said:

The video speaks for itself.   Cleveland has better offensive players than we had tonight and they were pummeled.   Simmons was a key to every defensive play.   That's who you wanted on the floor with our 4 seconds... with a set defense. 

  Watch the 34 second mark of the video and see what the inbound defense looks like. 

4 seconds against their set defense?

Nah...   This is not me making excuses for Nate... I said it before they inbounded the ball... we had no Simmons going the other way... it's a chance. 

 

You force the Nets to defend in the paint and at the rim, not a heave from 3, particularly with the Nets in the penalty.

[kg01]

9 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Nate was afraid that Prunty would draw up another game winner. 

Savagery! 

[Diesel]

Our missed free throws is more at fault for this lost.   We missed 7 of 22 Free throws....  That's 32%.

Now if the Refs aren't calling fouls...  They had some very bad missed calls on JC...  Then we have to do better than we did from the line. 

[Diesel]

1 minute ago, JayBirdHawk said:

You force the Nets to defend in the paint and at the rim, not a heave from 3, particularly with the Nets in the penalty.

Did we not do that?

Murray put up a good shot.  He was fouled and we didn't get the call.   Many of you think it's easy to get the ball inbounded and get to the paint.   Have you been watching the Hawks?  Even on AJ's game winner against the Bulls, the degree of difficulty on the catch and shot was very high.   It wasn't even the play we were going to run.   And the Bulls don't really play defense. 

You're asking a lot with the timeout and a long defensive team.

 

 

[Diesel]

Amidsts all the bickering back and fourth...

I applaud our guys tonight.   No Moral victory... but none of us here thought that they would bring that kind of game to the Nets!!

The refs were horrible. 

The Third quarter was bad.

But it was good to see the level of Fight we had!

 

[Wretch]

12 minutes ago, Diesel said:

If it were any defense... sure.   If it were the Bulls defense.. Hell yeah.  But you're talking about the Nets.   They have 4 guys over 6'9.   They are long and agile.  They have prided themselves on defense over this streak.  

Look past the textbook answer and look at what's on the court.   You're going to let long monsters back in the game.   A few plays ago, they got us with a 24 second clock violation.   Wonder how??  And you want to challenge them to play defense for 4 seconds.   Come on man.

 

Here's the thing dude...  You're absolutely right about the call vs. the guys presently on the court.  No question it's better to attack the offensive team on the floor vs. what they'd be bringing out.  The problem is time.  This isn't a mechanical answer.  There's not enough time to dribble over half court and get a clean look.  Murray took that heave with like 1.5 seconds on the clock over two outstretched arms.  That's a just a HORRIBLE, low-percentage shot and the wrong call vs. TWO attempts to inbound it through a 7 footer.