The Official NBASupes, Sothron, and theCampster Insider Thread - NBA 2022-23 Season

[Spud2nique]

52 minutes ago, lethalweapon3 said:

I'm sooo disinterested in locking this thread. As hard as it is in Insider Country, I'm going to ask all posters in here to simply focus on whatever Hawks/NBA information is shared, however valid, rather than conjecturing and speculating about what they think a contributor's ulterior motives are. Predicting what the Insider Squawkers are up to on the Inside, or openly questioning just how Inside they are, is not what this thread is for.

~lw3

I’m sorry lethal, I’m with you 99% of the time but if we can’t shoot the ish in a thread then wtf. Y’all woke up strict today. Lol.

[Spud2nique]

@lethalweapon3 please don’t lock the thread I’ll just stay out of this thread. Thanks.

[kg01]

1 hour ago, bleachkit said:

He's a really good player. But he isnt a Giannis, LeBron type generational player or anything. People always underestimate the importance of depth, and getting value out of rookie contracts. If all you have on your bench are cheap vets like Justin Holliday, then you have to run your starters ragged. Also, Brown had an absolutely brutal year shooting the three at .335. 

All fair.  Truthfully, I'm fine with simple organic growth and allowing CQS to install his stuff.  Those will elevate us significantly, imho.  No need for major additions.

I should stay true to my feewings. 

[Final_quest]

55 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

A SnT next offseason is more palatable: Hawks will still have a lot of work to do to clear salary to sign him has a FA if Boston refuses to pay ball in a SnT. If this is the case then Bey and OO should not be early extended this offseason to keep their capholds as small as possible.

Here's the problem with that approach, what if he's available now and telling Boston he wants to come to ATL?  Those feelings and circumstances can change in a year.  Either way if I'm the Hawks FO and realize he's the most attainable All NBA talent for my franchise my #1 goal is acquiring him. I'm not going to wait for any party to potentially change their mind and hope the deal gets done a year down the road.  

 

[Diesel]

10 minutes ago, Final_quest said:

what if he's available now and telling Boston he wants to come to ATL? 

Right now, he's under contract, it wouldn't matter if he wanted to come to Atlanta.   More likely is Boston would want to move him to avoid paying the supermax. 

[Sothron]

I will address what @Diesel said earlier. There's a reason we insiders have our own private messages to talk about things. We have been doing this for long enough to know when a source is either blowing smoke up our butts or is presenting something to us that logically makes no sense. So we filter at that level. We filter again in private conversations. 

What you guys and gals see here in the public has been tested and weighed for its value. I realize since you can't see what the initial talks are or (quite obviously) be present when we are being told the information straight from the source that you have to trust me when I say that we are careful in what we post. But we are. 

There are things we hear we definitely do not post. A lot of that is the inside the locker room type stuff that is not mean to be in the public. Honestly I have only seen one source in my experience ever encourage even part of that being leaked and that was years ago when that source was trying to get Billy Knight's job. I guess it has been long enough for me to say that much.

I stopped using them as a source not long after that because their signal to noise ratio was not good enough. I could not trust what they were saying to me was of any real value other than grinding a personal axe with another Hawks personnel. 

I am not beefing with Spud, btw. We are cool. I said what I said in my previous post to try and make things as simple as I can that Diesel went into further. The insiders here only relay information we think is truly valid and has merit to be seen in public. There are several Hawks players, FO and even some coaches that have lurked here. Some are retired and still lurk here. We live in a digital age and you would have to be naïve to think that the only major Atlanta Hawks fansite/message board would not have actual Hawks people quietly lurking here.

 

[JayBirdHawk]

19 minutes ago, Final_quest said:

Here's the problem with that approach, what if he's available now and telling Boston he wants to come to ATL?  Those feelings and circumstances can change in a year.  Either way if I'm the Hawks FO and realize he's the most attainable All NBA talent for my franchise my #1 goal is acquiring him. I'm not going to wait for any party to potentially change their mind and hope the deal gets done a year down the road.  

 

I'm glad you said this:  We trade for him now on is expiring deal giving up a ton of assets in the process.

He doesn't sign his extension within 6 months saying he wants to experience free agency and being courted by other teams.  He's now an UFA at the end of next season. He decides to sign elsewhere! What then?

[Final_quest]

6 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

I'm glad you said this:  We trade for him now on is expiring deal giving up a ton of assets in the process.

He doesn't sign his extension within 6 months saying he wants to experience free agency and being courted by other teams.  He's now an UFA at the end of next season. He decides to sign elsewhere! What then?

I'm assuming you're saying he couldn't extend his contract as part of a deal this offseason?  There is always going to be risk in an acquisition like this.  They would have had those conversations leading up to the deal and get as comfortable as they can. 

To get a 2nd team All NBA talent, you might be willing to take that risk.  Atlanta doesn't get many opportunities to acquire a 2nd team All NBA guy in his prime.  Has it ever happened?  If they decide we're going to go all in, I would understand why.  

[Final_quest]

28 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Right now, he's under contract, it wouldn't matter if he wanted to come to Atlanta.   More likely is Boston would want to move him to avoid paying the supermax. 

Very possible.  But it's also possible he is demanding it behind the scenes.  You are right though, it may be Boston avoiding a supermax deal.

[thecampster]

A note on my method before posting.

Many times I hear things and dismiss them out of hand.  I've been burned by this a few times.

Sometimes I hear things and bounce them off of people I know with some possible insight.

when it graduates to "plausibly >50% true", I drop it in the insider private thread.  About 75% of the time Sothron has heard similar.  About 1/2 the time Supes has heard similar.

Example: In the insider thread, I bounced off the guys what I heard about Dre and Coach having friction when he first got here.  Coach wanted more/different out of Dre, Dre took it critical.  Soth had heard similar, Supes rejected it out of hand.  I waited.  Found out that though true, it was not as "prominent" as the source made it out to be.  I sat on it so as to not rouse the board.

Usually when one of us hears something, we put out feelers to those we know....sometimes takes days for them to get back and it breaks in the news first.  Sometimes we beat the news.  When there's greater than yes/yes/no....like yes/maybe/maybe or yes/yes/maybe in our talks, whoever brought it first or whoever has the most info will drop it to the board.

Or then there's this:  Supes does it more than me who does it more than Soth.  We get something, we're so confident about it, we drop a message in the insider thread and don't wait for validation, we just post it to the main board thread.  This last update is in this category.  I updated the insider message thread with a few more details then I put here but then posted my update here without the need for validation.

So why not all details.....exactly what happened this time around.  People like to sit around and call scoreboard when things vary.  So I post as much as I'm confident about, withhold what I see as rumor/conjecture.

 

The one thing you might want to consider is a few weeks ago, people on this thread were asking, a few begging, for dirt and I said "none will come out until the finals or later". We could just post for clicks or fame in situations like that, but I had nothing and had no reason to post.

[thecampster]

5 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

So I guess we are tampering?  if this happens, I suspect the NBA will now be imposing heavier fines instead of a slap on the wrist. 

 

If it's a trade this summer, then he's declining his super max extension from Boston. He will then have to wait 6 months to sign an extension with us (non supermax).

If he signs that super max extension then he cannot be traded for 6 months, then he'll be even more costly not just players and picks but the salary we'll have to send out.

@bleachkit I don't see the cost going down.

 

**Camp scratches head, composes himself......breathes......

 

About 75% of the league openly wants to play for coach Quinn.  Oddly, there is a small faction of the league that doesn't want to play for him at all.  Hiring Quinn attracted attention whether we openly solicited it or not.  That said, players talk.

There are a lot of players in the league who do not like Trae (old schoolers mostly).  Young players love him.

Bogi is extremely popular around the league.  So is JC.  This doesn't make the above 3 safe but it does lay the groundwork for attracting talent. For example, Bey was ecstatic with coming here. He loves the ATL vibe. He's likely to leave in free agency if we don't make moves but I could see him taking a small discount to stay.

There is a very good core of players here the league wants to play with and that means as much as anything.

 

 

Side note:  1/2 the league+ has called about Jalen since the season ended. Just testing our commitment to him. He's highly valued around the league. Teams see him as a future 2nd/3rd option. They see his upside potential as Robin, his floor as long term vet starter.

[kg01]

Maybe it's like the lottery.  'Member how the league had to let a 3rd party in to verify the sausage was being made properly. 

Maybe yall should let a civilian in on the 'insider' thread so they can be like "yeah them dudes aint crazy".

I nominate @Spud2nique as the representative of the proletariat.

 

[Diesel]

2 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

I'm glad you said this:  We trade for him now on is expiring deal giving up a ton of assets in the process.

He doesn't sign his extension within 6 months saying he wants to experience free agency and being courted by other teams.  He's now an UFA at the end of next season. He decides to sign elsewhere! What then?

This is a risk... seriously.  It's the same risk we have with DJM.   So for grins, let's say Boston does the JB for JC, OO, and #15 pick in the draft deal on draft night. 

Then in 6 months.. I guess Jan is a good time.. we offer him an extension... and he says No... I am going to test the waters.  We could either keep him or trade him for scraps to another contender... but he will be a bigger villain than Danny Manning if he did that to his hometown team.  Because at that point, it's not really about money. 

 

[Diesel]

20 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Maybe it's like the lottery.  'Member how the league had to let a 3rd party in to verify the sausage was being made properly. 

Maybe yall should let a civilian in on the 'insider' thread so they can be like "yeah them dudes aint crazy".

I nominate @Spud2nique as the representative of the proletariat.

 

[ryandauwalker]

Do we think the team would be better if we traded DJM + fillers for Jaylen Brown? Is that possible? 

If we get JB without giving up DJM, we will have 3 very expensive guards, and a lot of our young cheap talent is out the door.

[terrell]

16 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Not saying I want to move him but From camps post

 

Yeah we tried that with the Holidays.. lol

[JayBirdHawk]

2 hours ago, thecampster said:

I bounced off the guys what I heard about Dre and Coach having friction when he first got here.  Coach wanted more/different out of Dre, Dre took it critical.  Soth had heard similar, Supes rejected it out of hand.  I waited.  Found out that though true, it was not as "prominent" as the source made it out to be.  I sat on it so as to not rouse the board.

can you provide more information on this little tidbit?

[sturt]

8 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

I don't consider guys still on rookie contracts and who haven't sign rookie extensions 'vets'.  That's just me.

No, it's not only you, smarty pants, but look around... there's a wide range of definitions of that term when you get away from the legal domain. Google it. Or, just be content to know that some consider anyone who isn't a rookie... not "rookie contract," but first year player... a veteran. But I also found some who take a narrower view, and say you really don't become a veteran until you've got about 10 years in the league.

 

[sturt]

6 hours ago, Sothron said:

actual Hawks people quietly lurking here.

Perhaps, even, posting on occasion. Devil's advocate kind of stuff. I betcha I betcha.

 

[thecampster]

2 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

can you provide more information on this little tidbit?

When Quinn came in, almost every player bought in immediately with the exception of Dre. Dre saw himself as a defensive stopper, ultimate team guy. Quinn's coaching was about recovery, that offense is best played when its a 5 v 1 game and so too defense can be played in a similar dance.  Dre was by far the most lock in to 1 player type of a player and would ignore most other parts of defense (dig downs, quick doubles, cheating, anticipating the shot to get in position for a rebound, etc). Dre was coached up on making defense easier and he took it personal.  But it was made to seem like a much bigger thing to me that it really was. 

On this topic (and it showed on the floor), Trae bought in immediately and practiced it. Specifically helping with quick doubles, dig downs and anticipating passes not to his man but within reach to disrupt.  We saw his "pest" factor jump substantially under Quinn and right away.  Dre was slow to buy in because it was counter to the good man  and switch defense he'd learned his whole career. Felt singled out.  But the rift was significantly smaller than I was originally told and why it never made it to the board. It was just an example.