The Official NBASupes, Sothron, and theCampster Insider Thread - NBA 2022-23 Season

[sturt]

1 hour ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

 

Evan, sorry bud... while I appreciate you didn't steal Horsewind's report and pretend it to be your own... or even do the ol' Chris Kirschner "I can confirm X" thing... you're not getting brownie points here as you try to use Twitter to get your name out there more and get hired somewhere... no, you have to go through the grind like everyone else, and actually report a couple of things that end up proving to be legit.

 

[sturt]

2 hours ago, Wretch said:

I had no faith in that team and zero expectations starting the 2015 season - probably the lowest of low points for me as a Hawks fan.  As the team proved me wrong, I consistently maintained that Korver was the key.  It was a total team effort, but offensively...his shooting took us to that next level.  Everyone on the floor could shoot, but KK could REALLY shoot and stretch the defense.  

He's the kind of shooter I absolutely pine for in our current starting lineup.

He really was.

But/and, we do have a player in our rotation who is capable of Korver-like production. And one can make the argument that, when we've been exceptional, it's been when he was exceptional... that he is a difference maker.

If you ask me, that's why the FO decided to give him an extension (... which blew my mind at the time, and maybe others, too).

 

[JayBirdHawk]

7 hours ago, Diesel said:

 

I don't think Quin has the power on player acquisition.  I do think he is consulted but I don't think he has any say. 

Fields latest on his collaboration with Quin:

 

 

[terrell]

2 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

 

How "BIG" of a wing does he have to be? lol

Edited June 16, 2023 by terrell

[sturt]

29 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Fields latest on his collaboration with Quin:

 

 

Not to make Jay even edgier with me than she's already been lately... but... pardon the observation, @Diesel was speaking to player acquisition, and suggesting that he doesn't believe Quin actually gets any say... whereas this part of Landry's presser is about, as the header suggests, current players and whether to keep or not keep them. Related, sure, but not the same thing.

But here's a takeaway from earlier in that presser, potentially... not necessarily new, but reaffirming what we've heard... Landry is big on delegation, and big on listening to other voices in the room (, which is a good thing since the owner likes diversity and inclusivity, and it had been insinuated that Schlenk was pushed aside largely because he wasn't listening to the other voices in the room).

At the same time, Landry seems to feel it important with regularity to emphasize that the final decision is his. And this presser was no exception. I get the reason he would want to tamp down the perception that he's a puppet... none of us would ever like that perception being out there.

Me, I'm just wanting to believe that, given truth serum, Landry would reveal that there's been an explicit conversation (or, better, actual wording in the head coach's contract) that established that there's an expectation that Landry's final decision has to weigh heavily what the highly-regarded veteran head coach wants to see happen.

Can't say if that's happened with any certainty. Can't say it hasn't. But sure hope it has. We'll never know until maybe years after Quin Snyder or Landry Fields are not ATL employees any longer, at best.

[terrell]

Tristan Vukcevic looks really good out there in pre-recorded pre draft camp.. lol

Edited June 16, 2023 by terrell

[Diesel]

26 minutes ago, sturt said:

Not to make Jay even edgier with me than she's already been lately... but... pardon the observation, @Diesel was speaking to player acquisition, and suggesting that he doesn't believe Quin actually gets any say... whereas this part of Landry's presser is about, as the header suggests, current players and whether to keep or not keep them. Related, sure, but not the same thing.

But here's a takeaway from earlier in that presser, potentially... not necessarily new, but reaffirming what we've heard... Landry is big on delegation, and big on listening to other voices in the room (, which is a good thing since the owner likes diversity and inclusivity, and it had been insinuated that Schlenk was pushed aside largely because he wasn't listening to the other voices in the room).

At the same time, Landry seems to feel it important with regularity to emphasize that the final decision is his. And this presser was no exception. I get the reason he would want to tamp down the perception that he's a puppet... none of us would ever like that perception being out there.

Me, I'm just wanting to believe that, given truth serum, Landry would reveal that there's been an explicit conversation (or, better, actual wording in the head coach's contract) that established that there's an expectation that Landry's final decision has to weigh heavily what the highly-regarded veteran head coach wants to see happen.

Can't say if that's happened with any certainty. Can't say it hasn't. But sure hope it has. We'll never know until maybe years after Quin Snyder or Landry Fields are not ATL employees any longer, at best.

For the life of me, I can't understand why you continually put out extremes. 

Why can't it be that the owner gave Landry a limit on how much he's willing to spend and Landry can do whatever deals he wants to do to stay within that Limit.  That's how most GMs work... however, for you since we've gotten Landry, your picture has said... Landry must be a puppet.  Landry doesn't make decisions.  Landry makes decisions by committee.  You're a piece of work Sturt.    I for one am happy that we have a GM who would consult with the Head Coach before making personnel decisions. I don't know where you get your leadership style from but it's important that all levels be in sync. 

 

 

[Spud2nique]

19 hours ago, Spud2nique said:

So did Indy and a handful of other teams.

Spud the real insider  

@ShooterSays win column or …  

[ShooterSays]

26 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Spud the real insider  

@ShooterSays win column or …  

Boston should be paying attention to what's happening in Washington and the risks of giving a player a super max. Player gets his money and then bolts. Different situations obviously, but there are some red flags there.

 

Toronto feels like the team to watch for 7. Hali / Mathurin / OG / Turner has some potential.

Rumor season is fun! LOL

[kg01]

Oh, I got one folx.  Worst trade proposal candidate.  Basically..

Trae for Herro, Robinson, and 1 FRP

Let it sink in.... 

[shakes]

3 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Oh, I got one folx.  Worst trade proposal candidate.  Basically..

Trae for Herro, Robinson, and 1 FRP

Let it sink in.... 

 

me and @JayBirdHawk doing the heavy lifting over there defending Hawks players honor.

 

basically over here I rip on the Hawks and over there I rip on any who dares rip on the Hawks.

[ShooterSays]

10 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Oh, I got one folx.  Worst trade proposal candidate.  Basically..

Trae for Herro, Robinson, and 1 FRP

Let it sink in.... 

Where is this abomination from?

[terrell]

ESPN has listed 5 trades for Zion behind their paywall.

One is Williamson & Hayes for JC, OO, 1st from Atl, and Sac 1st Atl has. 

Lets hear it... lol

 

 

 

Edited June 16, 2023 by terrell

[kg01]

19 minutes ago, ShooterSays said:

Where is this abomination from?

Realgm aka fakegm. 

[sturt]

 

25 minutes ago, Diesel said:

since we've gotten Landry, your picture has said... Landry must be a puppet.  Landry doesn't make decisions.

 

Diesel (... and perhaps others?)... stop reading half my posts and assuming you got it... because, all due respect, you evidently have not  gotten it.

 

First, what I said here today is...

1 hour ago, sturt said:

I get the reason he would want to tamp down the perception that he's a puppet... none of us would ever like that perception being out there.

What I said is what I said. What you seemingly read into what I said here is that Landry is  a puppet.

Nahbabanah.

The premise is valid... there are those who perceive the youngest GM in the league is a puppet of the owner, or if not the owner directly, then the owner's son... or at least there was when he was first hired. That's known. That's not theory.

That perception probably has eroded some, if not a lot. And the comment here is simply that, like any of us, Landry wants that perception to be eliminated, hence his sliding in the "it's my decision" assertion into pressers where player acquisition is a topic.

Where's your problem with that? Whatever problem you might have, it's a function of you reading into my thinking something that isn't there.

 

But, if you ask me straight up, then... do I consider Landry Fields a "puppet" nonetheless?

 

A "puppet" in the sense that someone else is telling him what to do? No, no, no. No.

 

A "puppet" in the sense that he's effectively the chairman of the committee? Well, yeah, but that's not a puppet, then.

 

Look. I don't make the rules, but I know what they are and don't pretend they don't exist... and similarly, I don't put words in Tony Ressler's mouth, but I know what they've been, and don't pretend that they don't exist.

 

Tony Ressler made clear to Jeff Schultz that Schlenk wasn't being adequately democratic in decision-making to the owner's satisfaction. But I'm the fool for believing that what's good for the goose is good for the gander? What changed? Hell, yes. I mean, really, educate me.... how does it make any sense to believe Landry isn't being expected to be what his predecessor was not?

 

(Then, there's a whole other part to the conversation that I'm not going to wade into, but there's basis for concluding the owner likes it this way because it allows him to seem to be giving power to his basketball ops people, but in reality, he gets to impose influence on the bigger, more divisive decisions, quietly behind closed doors. As Schlenk became more seasoned, and had more legitimate gravity for decisions, it made it problematic for Ressler to impose influence without it coming to light.)

 

I don't pretend to know what I can't know. But I will suggest that Landry's not made any major decision purely on his own. That is antithetical to why his predecessor was let go, as well as antithetical to how Landry himself has described the process in the lead-up to any major decision thus far. Consistent with that, we have his words in his pre-draft presser, where he makes clear that him, Kyle and Quin have been having active conversations about how the talents of current players might be enhanced through different strategies... he said he appreciates seeing things through the lens of the coach.

 

Where you and others got hostile toward me, as I recall, was my insistence that your celebrating what a great GM Landry already is was not unlike celebrating you for knowing your multiplication tables.

 

There are decisions that maybe not completely, but almost, make themselves. Trading 5 2nd rounders for a real vet asset who could plausibly fill a real need for the team this past season was one of those. Not one of us, to my knowledge, ever whined about that deal, but rather, practically all of us thought it was a slam dunk deal for the good guys.

 

If you celebrate me for knowing my multiplication tables... that's actually a little disrespectful, as-if that's some great achievement. It would be if I were 7 or 8. But I'm not 7 or 8. I'm an adult.

Celebrate my achievements that actually are admirable. Be patient. Wait. Eventually, I might achieve something that deserves celebration. Don't be so anxious to celebrate me that, instead, you're insinuating that you have low expectations of me.

Landry, same.

 

I'll finish with this point... it's one always avoided it seems, but I've consistently said from early on that I'm inclined to believe a Stanford guy probably is smarter than me and most... so I've believed that, long-term, Landry could turn out to be one of the best GMs we've had.

I'm further convinced of that, having watched this video..

 

[JayBirdHawk]

Steve Koonin Radio Interview from today:

https://omny.fm/shows/dukes-bell/everybody-wants-answers-from-kirby-smart

listen from

29:00 - Ja Warrant punishment

32:00 - Hawks general

33:30 - Hawks and the Luxury Tax

Had a meeting today: Tax is not something we are scared of, but you go into it when you believe you have a chance to do something because it's very difficult to get out of. It's not a 1 year '?????'. New CBA creates more punitive punishment for spending that restricts trades, exceptions, etc. More Big 2s, less Big 3s. The next 2 offseasons will be the most interesting in a long time because of new CBA rules and more player movement. New CBA is about spreading parity.

[This doesn't sound like they'll be interested in paying the tax to me]

36:00 - Hornets sale and Gambling in GA

 

[theheroatl]

Would love to snag Siakam in a trade

[JayBirdHawk]

 

 

In Atlanta, the Hawks will continue to explore trade scenarios for Collins. That has so far included preliminary talks with Dallas about swapping Collins and the No. 15 pick in the draft with the Mavericks for the No. 10 pick and Dāvis Bertāns. Those talks did not develop very far, sources said, and Dallas indicated it would be more willing to consider that deal if Hawks center Clint Capela was the returning player from Atlanta.

Maybe the Hawks end up trading down from No. 15 — as opposed to the aforementioned scenario with Dallas — in order to move Collins. The Hawks have told opposing teams Atlanta is open to conversations about all of its roster outside of Trae Young, league sources told Yahoo Sports. That does not mean the Hawks are actively shopping Dejounte Murray, whom the franchise sent three first-round picks to acquire from San Antonio last offseason, because Murray, in that respect, would cost quite a lot for Atlanta to part with. The Hawks are valuing their players in some form of tier structure, sources said, where Murray stands in his own realm after Young. Murray will be an interesting early example to see if he considers signing an extension this offseason under the more lucrative structure available in this new CBA, which will now allow Murray to receive a first-year salary that’s 140% of his $17.7 million earnings for the 2023-24 campaign, and with a richer bonus structure, a total agreement that could approach $120 million over four years.

The most inbound trade calls Atlanta has gotten, dating back to the trade deadline, have been focused on young center Onyeka Okongwu, sources said. Okongwu becomes extension eligible this summer after a decent emergence in Year 3. The same goes for Saddiq Bey, whom Atlanta sacrificed five second-round picks to acquire at the deadline and surely intends to retain long term. That has led opposing front offices to pinpoint Capela and De’Andre Hunter as logical trade candidates for the Hawks in addition to Collins. It is important to consider, though, how much Atlanta has valued Capela's ideal pick-and-roll partnership as a lob threat for Young, not to mention his rim protection ability when he and the Hawks’ lead guard have to defend the opposition’s same action. Plus, Atlanta values Hunter’s two-way ability in a league that’s still placing heavy premium on wings.

One player believed to be on the Hawks’ radar of potential trade targets is Raptors forward Pascal Siakam, sources said, and Toronto marks another team front offices are closely monitoring for trade activity. 

 

This pretty much sums up @thecampster early post regarding #15 and frontcourt players.

[sturt]

15 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Had a meeting today: Tax is not something we are scared of, but you go into it when you believe you have a chance to do something because it's very difficult to get out of. It's not a 1 year '?????'. New CBA creates more punitive punishment for spending that restricts trades, exceptions, etc. More Big 2s, less Big 3s. The next 2 offseasons will be the most interesting in a long time because of new CBA rules and more player movement. New CBA is about spreading parity.

[This doesn't sound like they'll be interested in paying the tax to me]

 

Me either.

So, we don't believe we have a chance to do something, I suppose.

This team's leadership apparently is settling for the imagery of ambition. Not actual ambition.

Welcome back to the hamster wheel, everyone.

 

[AHF]

6 minutes ago, sturt said:

 

Me either.

So, we don't believe we have a chance to do something, I suppose.

Welcome back to the hamster wheel, everyone.

 

I can understand potentially the view that we are already on the hamster wheel with a team that hovers around .500 and they are willing to pay the tax for a move they think will get us off the hamster wheel.  Not sure if Quin and Landry feel that way but I am sure some of our posters who are not sky high on this team right now would concur with it.