2023-24 Insider Information Thread

[Final_quest]

1 hour ago, JTB said:

We will have to give Bruno a chance to fill that role. I think he has very good energy and effort defensively. Not really sure who else is out there that we could bring in.

center market in general seems dry.

 

Edit:

actually I see Bismack Biyombo , Dedmon, and bol bol available

Bol Bol would be fun to have! Lot of length and keeps the floor spread. Biyombo probably the best defensive backup center available in FA.

Might there be another trade?  We still have the TPE.  

Haven't really watched him play but, Garuba?  He is a defensive specialist, could get some minutes with Towns.  He played in 79 games last year.  Some said he was the best defensive player of his draft class.  

Another option is giving Hunter more minutes at the 4.  One Hawks podcast was speculating that some of his poor rebounding numbers comes from being on the perimeter guarding the other team's best perimeter player.  He's not in the best position to rebound.  

One lineup of OO, Hunter, AJ, Bogi, DM.  Then throw in Trae, AJ, Bogi, Towns, Garuba while the other starters rest.  

Definitely a bare cupboard for backups at the 4 and 5 if this deal goes down.  A few other holes on the bench as well.  

[gurpilo]

If the trade is made...

Garrison Matthews is a guy we can use, he is a good shooter and decent defender, he can fill a role, however with a wing rotation of Bogi, AJ, Matthews, Hunter.... We lack size for Big wings. If we could trade Bogi instead of Bey that would be perfect.

Ok the Frontcourt more of the same issue, a rotation of KAT, OO, Garuba, Gueye and Bruno... We lack a capable reserve and size at PF and C.

[theheroatl]

Here's to good luck today at closing a good trade for KAT or Siakam. Cheers! Either one would be a great addition to our team (granted, let's keep the good kids around).

I think either trade could go down today. I can feel it. That energy brought on from DJM bringing the loyalty is huge.

Keep in mind all you nay-sayers, we will have to pay a 3rd star (a vet) $50m a season probably. So plug that into your brain and get used to it.

Edited July 7, 2023 by theheroatl

[gurpilo]

The only options I would see to add size at F or C positiions on Free Agency would be

Justise Winslow

Derrick Jones Jr

Dedmon

Bol bol

Edited July 7, 2023 by gurpilo

[ShooterSays]

I think we’d be okay at Center with a rotation of -

OO / Garuba / Bruno

KAT can play some backup 5 as well like we do Murray at point. 

Definitely need another Forward though.

[theheroatl]

 

Edited July 7, 2023 by theheroatl

[ShooterSays]

3 minutes ago, theheroatl said:

Can't figure out where the extra pick will come from to grease this for wolves.

JJ to Minny as well. 
2 picks - 1 FRP from ATL and one from the 3rd team who gets Cap.

[theheroatl]

1 minute ago, ShooterSays said:

JJ to Minny as well. 
2 picks - 1 FRP from ATL and one from the 3rd team who gets Cap.

Got it, I updated it. Makes sense.

[kg01]

5 hours ago, RedDawg#8 said:

If we put together 3 All Stars we will have some vets want to come play here for cheap and compete for a ring. We wont have issues filling any holes 

There's still some pf bodies out there.  Morris twin (shudders), Paul Reed, Hernangomez, and others I guess. 

[ABH]

Need to keep Bey or JJ if possible but not sure we could unless they take AJ

[thecampster]

9 hours ago, JeffS17 said:

@thecampster been real quiet

Thanks for noticing. Work takes up a lot of my time these days but I also made the conscious choice to post less insider info. I posted the other day that the NBA is taking leaking more seriously due to agents/teams leveraging social media with leaks. I wouldn't be surprised to hear something about this in the news this weekend. They are handling these matters internally but that too could leak.

For the record, I was sharing the KAT info privately on this board 3 weeks ago in a few private messages as well as the JC is as good as gone a week before it happened, but I'm also aware that either A) people like to scrutinize and or B) my posts have been followed by lurkers and used outside of the board. I'm trying to move to a higher standard of only posting a higher quality of rumor  1) to avoid being used when those feeding information are trying to promote agendas and 2) to not come off as an attention seeker. That's just not me.

On the Kat front,

Talks with Kat got more serious about a month ago with the understanding both teams had to line up things to make something happen.  Kat was not the only player discussed.  Minny would move Gobert for a step out center type (like Lopez) if they could.  Like everyone, they love the defense but most modern NBA teams are made up of slashers/3 point shooting and that takes up a lot of space.  A big man down low clogging up space (see Clint) hampers the slashing offense (see JC).  Most all talk in the media is Minny driven as they are desperately trying to up the offers on KAT. They can't undersell him because they overpaid for Gobert (realize I love Gobert but not at the price they paid). So Minny is trying to get offers to make Atlanta up theirs but its coming off as desperate.

 

Siakam - Almost all chatter on Siakam is Toronto and Siakam's reps driven. Siakam wants out, wants out to a top 15 level team. He doesn't like their rebuild direction as has been previously reported. Yes Atlanta inquired, yes they check in. But Atlanta isn't driving this conversation and any reports we were trying to move DJM to get him was gross misconduct from a reporting perspective.  Siakam's value is good, even great but not elite. His age, concerns about a coming decline and his 1 year left really kill his value.  Toronto waited too long to enter this game and now are scrambling. They used Atlanta's name in hopes of jumping in as a third party to the JC deal before it was complete.

 

Both Kat and Siakam deals are possible, could even happen this weekend but it won't be the packages people are reporting.  Clint going to a third party in an deal with Minny + 2 other assets (probably Gay + pick...maybe 1 youngin). Clint + 2 assets in any deal with Toronto.

 

Remember that we have 3 more days to make a decision on Bruno and that plays heavily in to this and who we take back.  Clint out make OO the starter and opens up real playing time for Bruno. Clint stays makes Bruno a snt target in a split deal.  There is a reason we haven't requested waivers on Gay yet and it isn't that we see him as a valuable part of next season's plans.

Bogi is a name that is back in mentions but who is also not available for trade until September. We may hear something on this with a belated trade completion date.

Last bit and I don't think anyone else has mentioned this.  The Murray extension can be related to something simmering under the surface.  A few big markets (NY/Phi/LA/SA/Houston) are not happy with their no title status and want a name to sell jerseys and the name privately being floated is Trae Young.  Teams have inquired as to what it would take to get Young.  Murray's signing, the team drafting a Murray like player in Bufkin and trading for TyTy is a little scary given the chatter. Nothing there is imminent (that I've heard) but if the Hawks aren't competitive by the All-star break, they may go "big" and move Trae for a star big, move Murray to the full time starter at the point. Become more defense oriented. Trae and his people are aware.  The above teams have all inquired about Trae.  LA and NY having the most interest. All exploratory at this point but the haul back would very high.

[theheroatl]

17 minutes ago, thecampster said:

Thanks for noticing. Work takes up a lot of my time these days but I also made the conscious choice to post less insider info. I posted the other day that the NBA is taking leaking more seriously due to agents/teams leveraging social media with leaks. I wouldn't be surprised to hear something about this in the news this weekend. They are handling these matters internally but that too could leak.

For the record, I was sharing the KAT info privately on this board 3 weeks ago in a few private messages as well as the JC is as good as gone a week before it happened, but I'm also aware that either A) people like to scrutinize and or B) my posts have been followed by lurkers and used outside of the board. I'm trying to move to a higher standard of only posting a higher quality of rumor  1) to avoid being used when those feeding information are trying to promote agendas and 2) to not come off as an attention seeker. That's just not me.

On the Kat front,

Talks with Kat got more serious about a month ago with the understanding both teams had to line up things to make something happen.  Kat was not the only player discussed.  Minny would move Gobert for a step out center type (like Lopez) if they could.  Like everyone, they love the defense but most modern NBA teams are made up of slashers/3 point shooting and that takes up a lot of space.  A big man down low clogging up space (see Clint) hampers the slashing offense (see JC).  Most all talk in the media is Minny driven as they are desperately trying to up the offers on KAT. They can't undersell him because they overpaid for Gobert (realize I love Gobert but not at the price they paid). So Minny is trying to get offers to make Atlanta up theirs but its coming off as desperate.

 

Siakam - Almost all chatter on Siakam is Toronto and Siakam's reps driven. Siakam wants out, wants out to a top 15 level team. He doesn't like their rebuild direction as has been previously reported. Yes Atlanta inquired, yes they check in. But Atlanta isn't driving this conversation and any reports we were trying to move DJM to get him was gross misconduct from a reporting perspective.  Siakam's value is good, even great but not elite. His age, concerns about a coming decline and his 1 year left really kill his value.  Toronto waited too long to enter this game and now are scrambling. They used Atlanta's name in hopes of jumping in as a third party to the JC deal before it was complete.

 

Both Kat and Siakam deals are possible, could even happen this weekend but it won't be the packages people are reporting.  Clint going to a third party in an deal with Minny + 2 other assets (probably Gay + pick...maybe 1 youngin). Clint + 2 assets in any deal with Toronto.

 

Remember that we have 3 more days to make a decision on Bruno and that plays heavily in to this and who we take back.  Clint out make OO the starter and opens up real playing time for Bruno. Clint stays makes Bruno a snt target in a split deal.  There is a reason we haven't requested waivers on Gay yet and it isn't that we see him as a valuable part of next season's plans.

Bogi is a name that is back in mentions but who is also not available for trade until September. We may hear something on this with a belated trade completion date.

Last bit and I don't think anyone else has mentioned this.  The Murray extension can be related to something simmering under the surface.  A few big markets (NY/Phi/LA/SA/Houston) are not happy with their no title status and want a name to sell jerseys and the name privately being floated is Trae Young.  Teams have inquired as to what it would take to get Young.  Murray's signing, the team drafting a Murray like player in Bufkin and trading for TyTy is a little scary given the chatter. Nothing there is imminent (that I've heard) but if the Hawks aren't competitive by the All-star break, they may go "big" and move Trae for a star big, move Murray to the full time starter at the point. Become more defense oriented. Trae and his people are aware.  The above teams have all inquired about Trae.  LA and NY having the most interest. All exploratory at this point but the haul back would very high.

I don't believe that Trae will get traded at least for the next few years. Sorry, I think that part is completely made up.  Sure, many teams will express interest in Trae, that is just hopium. However the way you phrased it seems like pushing it. The problem is if I can't believe that part, how am I supposed to believe anything else in that post.

I also don't believe Toronto would take or entertain Clint. So I'm left hanging here.

I'm also scratching my head at your Toronto section which makes absolutely no sense. 

All the Toronto news has deleveraged them so why the hell would they do that.

Edited July 7, 2023 by theheroatl

[bleachkit]

6 minutes ago, theheroatl said:

I don't believe that Trae will get traded at least for the next few years. Sorry, I think that part is completely made up.  Sure, many teams will express interest in Trae, that is just hopium. However the way you phrased it seems like pushing it. The problem is if I can't believe that part, how am I supposed to believe anything else in that post.

I also don't believe Toronto would take or entertain Clint. So I'm left hanging here.

I'm also scratching my head at your Toronto section which makes absolutely no sense. 

All the Toronto news has deleveraged them so why the hell would they do that.

I understand, youre still in the grieving phase. I'm here for you my friend. 

[TheNorthCydeRises]

3 hours ago, JTB said:

We will have to give Bruno a chance to fill that role. I think he has very good energy and effort defensively. Not really sure who else is out there that we could bring in.

center market in general seems dry.

 

Edit:

actually I see Bismack Biyombo , Dedmon, and bol bol available

Bol Bol would be fun to have! Lot of length and keeps the floor spread. Biyombo probably the best defensive backup center available in FA.

 

Bruno could fill that role easily for 12 - 15 min a game.

And let me throw a bunch of ice water on Bol Bol.  Ya'll need to give that up.

 

Edited July 7, 2023 by TheNorthCydeRises

[Peoriabird]

6 minutes ago, theheroatl said:

I don't believe that Trae will get traded at least for the next few years. Sorry, I think that part is completely made up.  Sure, many teams will express interest in Trae, that is just hopium. However the way you phrased it seems like pushing it. The problem is if I can't believe that part, how am I supposed to believe anything else in that post.

I also don't believe Toronto would take or entertain Clint. So I'm left hanging here.

I'm also scratching my head at your Toronto section which makes absolutely no sense. 

All the Toronto news has deleveraged them so why the hell would they do that.

Lol...This is precisely why @thecampster said he wasn't posting that much. But I want to thank him for the information.

[kg01]

27 minutes ago, thecampster said:

Last bit and I don't think anyone else has mentioned this.  The Murray extension can be related to something simmering under the surface.  A few big markets (NY/Phi/LA/SA/Houston) are not happy with their no title status and want a name to sell jerseys and the name privately being floated is Trae Young.  Teams have inquired as to what it would take to get Young.  Murray's signing, the team drafting a Murray like player in Bufkin and trading for TyTy is a little scary given the chatter. Nothing there is imminent (that I've heard) but if the Hawks aren't competitive by the All-star break, they may go "big" and move Trae for a star big, move Murray to the full time starter at the point. Become more defense oriented. Trae and his people are aware.  The above teams have all inquired about Trae.  LA and NY having the most interest. All exploratory at this point but the haul back would very high.

You should just join the Outsiders, patent-pending.  Nobody ever questions our stuff and we never have to worry about our stuff getting pirated on fakegm.  I'll put in a good word for ya, for old time sake. 

The guy scalabrine, when talking Murray extension, recited his same 'everybody in Atlanta hates Trae' stuff.  But, this time, he added some 'everybody in Atlanta LOVES Murray' stuff.  New news? 

[theheroatl]

2 minutes ago, kg01 said:

You should just join the Outsiders, patent-pending.  Nobody ever questions our stuff and we never have to worry about our stuff getting pirated on fakegm.  I'll put in a good word for ya, for old time sake. 

The guy scalabrine, when talking Murray extension, recited his same 'everybody in Atlanta hates Trae' stuff.  But, this time, he added some 'everybody in Atlanta LOVES Murray' stuff.  New news? 

Scalabrine lol.. You don't want to be lumped in with him, why you do that to him KG now he definitely an outsider

Edited July 7, 2023 by theheroatl

[thecampster]

44 minutes ago, theheroatl said:

I don't believe that Trae will get traded at least for the next few years. Sorry, I think that part is completely made up.  Sure, many teams will express interest in Trae, that is just hopium. However the way you phrased it seems like pushing it. The problem is if I can't believe that part, how am I supposed to believe anything else in that post.

I also don't believe Toronto would take or entertain Clint. So I'm left hanging here.

I'm also scratching my head at your Toronto section which makes absolutely no sense. 

All the Toronto news has deleveraged them so why the hell would they do that.

I might be the biggest Trae Stan on the board!!!

 

[JeffS17]

54 minutes ago, thecampster said:

Thanks for noticing. Work takes up a lot of my time these days but I also made the conscious choice to post less insider info. I posted the other day that the NBA is taking leaking more seriously due to agents/teams leveraging social media with leaks. I wouldn't be surprised to hear something about this in the news this weekend. They are handling these matters internally but that too could leak.

For the record, I was sharing the KAT info privately on this board 3 weeks ago in a few private messages as well as the JC is as good as gone a week before it happened, but I'm also aware that either A) people like to scrutinize and or B) my posts have been followed by lurkers and used outside of the board. I'm trying to move to a higher standard of only posting a higher quality of rumor  1) to avoid being used when those feeding information are trying to promote agendas and 2) to not come off as an attention seeker. That's just not me.

On the Kat front,

Talks with Kat got more serious about a month ago with the understanding both teams had to line up things to make something happen.  Kat was not the only player discussed.  Minny would move Gobert for a step out center type (like Lopez) if they could.  Like everyone, they love the defense but most modern NBA teams are made up of slashers/3 point shooting and that takes up a lot of space.  A big man down low clogging up space (see Clint) hampers the slashing offense (see JC).  Most all talk in the media is Minny driven as they are desperately trying to up the offers on KAT. They can't undersell him because they overpaid for Gobert (realize I love Gobert but not at the price they paid). So Minny is trying to get offers to make Atlanta up theirs but its coming off as desperate.

 

Siakam - Almost all chatter on Siakam is Toronto and Siakam's reps driven. Siakam wants out, wants out to a top 15 level team. He doesn't like their rebuild direction as has been previously reported. Yes Atlanta inquired, yes they check in. But Atlanta isn't driving this conversation and any reports we were trying to move DJM to get him was gross misconduct from a reporting perspective.  Siakam's value is good, even great but not elite. His age, concerns about a coming decline and his 1 year left really kill his value.  Toronto waited too long to enter this game and now are scrambling. They used Atlanta's name in hopes of jumping in as a third party to the JC deal before it was complete.

 

Both Kat and Siakam deals are possible, could even happen this weekend but it won't be the packages people are reporting.  Clint going to a third party in an deal with Minny + 2 other assets (probably Gay + pick...maybe 1 youngin). Clint + 2 assets in any deal with Toronto.

 

Remember that we have 3 more days to make a decision on Bruno and that plays heavily in to this and who we take back.  Clint out make OO the starter and opens up real playing time for Bruno. Clint stays makes Bruno a snt target in a split deal.  There is a reason we haven't requested waivers on Gay yet and it isn't that we see him as a valuable part of next season's plans.

Bogi is a name that is back in mentions but who is also not available for trade until September. We may hear something on this with a belated trade completion date.

Last bit and I don't think anyone else has mentioned this.  The Murray extension can be related to something simmering under the surface.  A few big markets (NY/Phi/LA/SA/Houston) are not happy with their no title status and want a name to sell jerseys and the name privately being floated is Trae Young.  Teams have inquired as to what it would take to get Young.  Murray's signing, the team drafting a Murray like player in Bufkin and trading for TyTy is a little scary given the chatter. Nothing there is imminent (that I've heard) but if the Hawks aren't competitive by the All-star break, they may go "big" and move Trae for a star big, move Murray to the full time starter at the point. Become more defense oriented. Trae and his people are aware.  The above teams have all inquired about Trae.  LA and NY having the most interest. All exploratory at this point but the haul back would very high.

Thanks for sharing.  I’m excited to see how we do, but the Trae piece here matches a gut feeling Ive had for about 6 months.  Not that we WILL trade him but that things are lining up that it might make a lot of sense to do so.

[theheroatl]

Just now, thecampster said:

I might be the biggest Trae Stan on the board!!!

 

Hey it is what it is.. I'm just excited to see if any trade is made at all between now and camp. If not, the team is better overall than before just to free up time since JC left.