2023-24 Insider Information Thread

[kg01]

Can we stop with the obsession with "getting our picks back"?

They're gone.

They gone.

Bye.

Move on.

Chasing what's already gone is how you get got.

Just build the dayum team through shrewd moves.

Eyes forward.

Period.

[h4wkfan]

Why is there so much focus on Sarr setting screens? I have 0 expectations this year that he will be called often to do it.

Lean on 1/4 PnR with JJ or whoever the 5 is … sarr stretched out to 3P  (if he’s playing the 5) to keep the paint open. Play the dunker spot. Cut to the rim when JJ gets it on a short roll. Crash the offensive glass … so many variations of how he can be used on a PnR without being the screen setter. He will improve offensive efficiency by just doing simple things. 

his year 1 impact will be defense and being efficient on offense. Is that worth #1 in a draft? Probably not. But I’d rather take that swing this year given his ceiling than accept 2 mediocre picks in a mediocre year. 
 

Don’t trade this pick to build out cheap depth.  That makes no sense. If you are picking 10 I could understand going to moving back for something like 18/25. Especially in this draft as it’s likely you get the same value from the later slot as you do #10. You don’t do that with a #1 pick.

[Jody23]

If this was the Wemby draft, the Hawks would be exploring options to trade down and get "additional assets".  Smh.

[BangHolman]

The only thing more "Hawks" than whiffing at pick #1 would be trading it and whiffing twice.

Swing for the fence and take the guy with the highest potential. At least you can say you swung the f**king bat.

[Mikey]

1 hour ago, KB21 said:

So, DJM and the 8th pick for what will essentially be Herb Jones as the only positive acquisition for the Hawks?  NO!

Did you forget Ingram is a part of the deal? Adding herb and clingan is soooo much better than adding sarr for a win now team 

[KB21]

Just now, Mikey said:

Did you forget Ingram is a part of the deal? Adding herb and clingan is soooo much better than adding sarr for a win now team 

Ingram is a negative asset.  

[Mikey]

2 hours ago, LucastheThird said:

We effectively give up the #1 pick to get Herb Jones?

 

HELL NO

I don’t understand this sentiment. This number 1 pick isn’t good. This player would not go top 5 in many of the recent drafts… 

could perhaps not even sniff top 10 next draft. Getting the guy you want all long and adding one of the best perimeter defenders is a good deal. Many of you just have fallen in love with the idea of sarr 

1 minute ago, KB21 said:

Ingram is a negative asset.  

People said the same thing about kyrie. Great teams are built behind the concept of buying low. 

[BangHolman]

2 minutes ago, Mikey said:

Did you forget Ingram is a part of the deal? Adding herb and clingan is soooo much better than adding sarr for a win now team 

I get we're trying not to toe the line between win now or rebuild and choose a side, but do you think Trae/BI/Herb/JJ/OO with Bogi, Clingan, Buffkin, and Mo is really all that competitive? How far does that team go?

[Mikey]

1 minute ago, BangHolman said:

I get we're trying not to toe the line between win now or rebuild and choose a side, but do you think Trae/BI/Herb/JJ/OO with Bogi, Clingan, Buffkin, and Mo is really all that competitive? How far does that team go?

This is a 50 win team and at minimum second round exit. Truly believe that team contends with the Celtics as long as BI is healthy 

[Hawkish]

5 minutes ago, Mikey said:

I don’t understand this sentiment. This number 1 pick isn’t good. This player would not go top 5 in many of the recent drafts… 

could perhaps not even sniff top 10 next draft. Getting the guy you want all long and adding one of the best perimeter defenders is a good deal. Many of you just have fallen in love with the idea of sarr 

People said the same thing about kyrie. Great teams are built behind the concept of buying low. 

I agree on the ‘buy low’ aspect.  

[BangHolman]

1 minute ago, Mikey said:

This is a 50 win team and at minimum second round exit. Truly believe that team contends with the Celtics as long as BI is healthy 

5 of those guys are injury prone too: BI, JJ, OO, Bogi, and Mo.

[macdaddy]

What's the deal with AJ does anyone know?   The forgotten man.  

[Sothron]

3 hours ago, Spud2nique said:

So when I come and say this didn’t happen will you be upset with me?

Well, since this is just what I'm hearing (as well as the other insiders) it always has a chance to be wrong. 

Not a fan of the people with sources just sharing what we've heard being treated with hostility because people don't like the news being shared. It is the classic shoot the messenger because you can't shoot the message. And its a little old at this point. 

[kg01]

7 minutes ago, Mikey said:

This is a 50 win team and at minimum second round exit. Truly believe that team contends with the Celtics as long as BI is healthy 

On this I'll say one thing, the East is wide a**open.  Folks really have to understand we're not as far off as it seems.

[AHF]

11 minutes ago, Hawkish said:

I agree on the ‘buy low’ aspect.  

You can only buy low on Ingram if he is worth more than a max contract.  LeBron has clearly been worth way more than a max contract for most of his career so paying him a max salary is absolutely worth it.

I am very skeptical whether Ingram is worth more than a max salary.  Trading for him as a pending UFA really limits the upside you can get by acquiring him at a discounted price because next year you have to pay enough to keep him as an UFA.  If he has a great season, you can pay him more than any other team to keep him otherwise he is capable of walking away for a max deal with another team so definite risk there even if he ends up clicking and playing great in Atlanta.    

Most of the Ingram advocates have made the case that he will likely be forced to sign a deal for significantly less than a max contract so at that point you are assuming he has a season that isn't good enough to generate a max offer which means you aren't buying all that low given how historically guys get overpaid as unrestricted free agents.

(Since Kyrie's name was mentioned, I'll note that he was not a pending free agent and is paid $37M this year and $40M next year whereas to keep Ingram you might be paying him ~$207M over the next 4 years so he is significantly more costly than Kyrie while not being as good as an engaged Kyrie.  I'll grant that the odds of him doing something insane like we've seen from Kyrie are lower.)

[Sothron]

2 hours ago, parfait said:

If they're strongly considering a drop down with SA to get #4 and #8, I wonder if they've also worked out a slight slide-up to #3 with Houston to get Clingan there?

we have a winner

[skimaskway23]

If we missed out on clingan at 4, is it crazy to go with edey there?

[Sothron]

3 hours ago, AHF said:

This feels really ugly as far as wing defense:

Trae / Bufkin

Bogi / Knecht

Ingram / Vit

JJ / Nance

Clingan / OO

(Assumes Sothron scenario of drafting Clingan / Knecht and trading Murray and CC for Ingram and Nance).

(Edit:  I think this is a better team than we had this year fwiw.  But then you are paying Ingram $50M because you can't afford to lose him and you are over a barrell.)

You forgot to put Herb in this lineup. One of the proposed trades, the 2nd I posted, was DJM, Capela and Hunter for Ingram, Herb and Nance. 

So that lineup you posted changes to:

Trae/Kobe

Ingram/Bogi/Knecht

Herb/Vit/Knecht

JJ/Nance

Clingan/OO

 

That's IMO a very good team in the EC for 2024/25 season-onwards. 

[macdaddy]

So we get Clingan, Herb Jones, and BI for Murray, #1 pick, and i guess Capela or Hunter?  

So basically it costs us 4 first round picks including this year's #1 to get Herb Jones and Clingan. 

[Sothron]

1 minute ago, skimaskway23 said:

If we missed out on clingan at 4, is it crazy to go with edey there?

My belief, backed up by Supes source, is IF and I stress *IF* we do the SAS trade for 4/8 is we also move 4 and AJ griffin to Houston for #3 so we take Clingan and Houston probably takes Reed Sheppard at 4. Number 8 is more wide open.